Hopkins Headed to Tennessee

[slash83]

All I ask going forward is Judon to stop recruiting, guys a mush.

 

[upstater1]

Believe it or not, you actually do pay taxes for road games. It's weird. We had a discussion about this in the early offseason about this.

I thought you paid road taxes to the state the games are located in.

 

[RodThePat]

Hes 26 and coming off a year and played 16 games. Big difference.

So use it all on a 31 year old player who has missed 14 games the last 2 years? No.

Yes, use it all on a player that would immediately come in as their best receiving option. What's the alternative? Save some for what? They have no money on the books for the foreseeable future, why would they need to roll even more of it forward?

 

[Real fan 02]

We can move on now good luck being insignificant D-Hop. As bad as Mac played last season he still have more upside than any Tennessee QB right now. Would love to hear the contract details. We can bet Vrabel Over paid. Really hope you don't blow your knees out D-Hop I would really shed a tear.

Well.. now the gong show can be over.. I would have loved to have hop however it didn't happen.. guys will have to step up!

 

[Dingleberry]

The success of the season was always going to hinge upon us having a Top 3 D this season. And that is what I am hinging my optimism on.

The offense is going to be much better because of the following:
1. A professional OC instead of a socially ******ed defensive coach.
2. Two competent TE's, and an OC who will utilize them.
3. We need 3 quality WR's. Parker, Bourne, JuJu are not #1's, but they are all very good receivers. We do need one of the 3 youngsters to step up when Parker or JuJu go down.

If you all could have one of these two players, who would you choose....Jack Jones or Hopkins?

Give me Jack Jones and let's bet the season on a kick ass Defense and a competent professional offense. Forget Hopkins. Let's wish and hope for a non-****y judge who decides to give Jack Jones a slap on the wrist.

 

[Grogan14]

Since they can not compete for SB we can take pride in that we are #1 in cap space for 2024 for a very weak FA class
Cue the duck boat parade

 

[borg]

I don't think that's correct. I know for a fact that if you live in Massachusetts and you work out of state, you pay full Massachusetts income taxes. I don't see why it would be any different for athletes whose employment is based in Massachusetts.

As a general rule, nonresident athletes pay the so-called “jock tax” in every state (and some cities) that they play a game in, and if their state of residence has an income tax in their home state as well.

However, athletes who are nonresidents will only pay tax on their in-state source income. So, for example, an athlete who is a resident of Florida (no income tax) who is a member of the New England Patriots or Boston Red Sox will only pay tax on their Massachusetts source income.

The method of taxing athletes’ income is either by the duty days method or the games played method. The duty days method is the most popular method to calculate an athlete’s in-state income. Generally, a state with an income tax will tax the nonresident athlete on duty days spent within the state. Duty days typically begin with the start of official preseason and end when the official season ends. A nonresident athlete would include in income to the taxing state only duty days spent in-state over the total number of duty days. Duty days include game days and practice days, but what about days on injured reserves or the inactive list? Or days spent promoting the team? Massachusetts outlines how duties days are determined in 830 CMR C2.5A.2.

Understanding the “Jock Tax” - Don’t Tax Yourself

In addition to preparing and playing at a high level, professional athletes face a bewildering complexity when it comes to filing their income taxes. As a general rule, nonresident athletes pay the so-called “jock tax” in every state (and some cities) that they play a game in, and if their…

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[RIpats88]

Hes 26 and coming off a year and played 16 games. Big difference.

So use it all on a 31 year old player who has missed 14 games the last 2 years? No.

you are acting like $13million a year on a 2 year deal is a huge risk....for a guy who had 700 yards in 9 games last year.

once again we paid Agholor $12million and gave Jonnu smith $50million for 4 years. neither of those hurt us. and those were FAR worse contracts

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes, use it all on a player that would immediately come in as their best receiving option. What's the alternative? Save some for what? They have no money on the books for the foreseeable future, why would they need to roll even more of it forward?

Guarantee me he plays 15 games this year and next and i'm all in.

 

[RIP#40]

its not that he signed with Tennesee that bothers me, its that it was only for $13million a year. $12million this year.

Bill paid Agholor $12million, Jonnu smith $12million. But wont extend himself for Deandre Hopkins? The way Bill is handling this team is a joke. He's operating like Tom Brady is still on the team. how is it teams have $40million quarterbacks and can pay players?

You look at the dolphins who go out and get their QB Tyreek hill and they improve. Then on the other hand you have Bill bargain basement shopping giving his QB Defensive coordinators and

Unless Bill lucks into a GOAT QB we are going to be a middling team the rest of his career with his philosophy on roster building.

Bill didn't luck into the GOAT, he developed him and taught him what he needed to become the GOAT.

 

[RIpats88]

Use most of it on a guy who will easily be their #1 WR? Yes.

They don’t get any special benefit for having so much cap space.

for some reason fans get off that Bill didn't overpay guys, saved cap space and got "value"

rather than idk actually signing talented players.

 

[RobertWeathers]

you are acting like $13million a year on a 2 year deal is a huge risk....for a guy who had 700 yards in 9 games last year.

Who missed games and is 31. Yea. it's is a risk...a big one.

once again we paid Agholor $12million and gave Jonnu smith $50million for 4 years. neither of those hurt us. and those were FAR worse contracts

They were much younger players who didn't miss games.

You people are acting like DHop was a sure thing to play 15 games and catch 80 balls for 1200 yrds and 10TDs.

He was far from it.

No question the talent level at WR would have improved but it doesn't mean the production would be.

 

[RIpats88]

Who missed games and is 31. Yea. it's is a risk...a big one.

They were much younger players who didn't miss games.

sorry but a 2 year deal is not a "big" risk. worst case you get out of the deal in 2 years. probably less.

he missed games last year because of a PED suspension. if you want to bring up injury risk. Parker/juju have injury histories as well and likely will miss games.

 

[RIpats88]

Bill didn't luck into the GOAT, he developed him and taught him what he needed to become the GOAT.

thats an oversimplification. Thats as if to say anyone can become the GOAT with bill teaching them. Did he help him get there? sure. But lets not act like all of Brady's development was due to Bill.

 

[borg]

once again we paid Agholor $12million and gave Jonnu smith $50million for 4 years. neither of those hurt us. and those were FAR worse contracts

Kraft paid $398,000 per catch for Jonnu and Nelson over the past two years.
$49 mill / 123 catches

It appears paying excess dollars to FA pass catchers tasked with catching balls from Mac Jones creates minimal value.

Special teamers, on the other hand.......

 

[long distance]

i would and wouldn't like it both ways

Hopkins is one of the few WRs id break a bank for in his prime and can still be good.
Spending some of the immense cap on an actual difference maker for two important Mac/offense yrs is not the worst idea..
(esp since keeping all this cap increases the chance for future overpayment of lesser players)

BUT

Spending significant cap on older player with question marks that basically benches/redshirts promising 2nd round sophomore is prob not the best business for a team that has little to zero chance on significant post season run this season with or without Hopkins.
If this would be Parker replacement then by all means..

Better business imo is giving youngsters a chance this year and go for the best 26-29 yo WR on a long deal when QB & the rest of offense is in place


I believe both Bill and DH wanted this to happen but realized the timing is not right

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Bill didn't luck into the GOAT, he developed him and taught him what he needed to become the GOAT.

Then what's he doing with Mac? Why did Bledsoe struggle?

Just because belichick taught Brady things, that doesn't mean he still didn't get lucky that it panned out.

There's a reason plenty of teachers still praise the students that pan out.

 

[A.C Vegas]

All this talk about being cheap confuses me. Do any of you know what the pats offered?
Do any of you have a physic link with Hopkins and knew what he wanted?

If it comes out that the pats offered way less then you can have that discussion. But to just assume is irresponsible

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

People keep on saying he's old, overpay, yadda yadda, etc.

So what then now? Our receiving group is mid. Our QB is mid. Our line is suspect. Is O'Brian going to make this offense elite if that's what he's working with?

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

All this talk about being cheap confuses me. Do any of you know what the pats offered?
Do any of you have a physic link with Hopkins and knew what he wanted?

If it comes out that the pats offered way less then you can have that discussion. But to just assume is irresponsible

Based on history, it's not irresponsible to make that assumption at all... it's borderline gaslighting to to say it's irresponsible.