Has Tim Tebow earned a roster spot on the Patriots?

[manxman2601]

My great grandfather was a founder and President of the GAA, the Gaelic Athletic Association, which is one of the greatest institutions in Ireland and a major reason irish culture survived the occupation and continues to this day. i'm obviously pretty proud of that even though i had nothing to do with it.

Fair enough but if you don't mind please stop talking about the occupation. I lived in the North during the troubles, I've been to Bogside and I was there for Warrenpoint, Bobby Sands and the shocking murders of British Intelligence Officers. Ireland is a blot no doubt but both sides suffered.

I have nothing against Irish identity and it's a fine country but the violence is still pretty raw, especially for someone from a military-connected family.

Edit: sorry, not trying to be crappy but even after all this time...I mean just to give you an idea. to this day, some 30 years later, my Mum still won't have the lights on and curtains open. Why? Because back then, snipers were a real risk.


Edit x2: And you have every right to feel proud - I understand the importance of the Gaelic Athletic association.

 

[jah]

Has he earned it? No.

Will he get it? Probably.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Has he earned it?

Are you Daft?

 

[Kontradiction]

Okay. I guess I'll enter World War 3...

You seem a little slow on the uptake, so I'll try to break it down for you a bit.

Using a vague/undefined word (earned) makes it so that no matter which way a person answers it, they're "wrong".

No it's not. That would mean that the question in the thread title is a loaded question. While the question specifically asked in the O.P. is a loaded question, the one in the thread title is not.

Saying "earned" in the context you've given implies that the only way he could "earn" it is through his play in the preseason games or practices. (well... practices don't count any more, since you were thoroughly spanked on that front)

The last time a player on this roster earned a spot and cost someone else their's when practice performance was weighed too heavily was Sergio Brown prior to the 2011 season. His performance in practice had supposedly made Brandon Meriweather and James Sanders expendable (at least that was the argument given here, specifically citing media reports). He wasn't impressive at all, and that's putting it kindly, in preseason games. As it turns out, letting at least one of those guys go was a mistake and we fielded the second worst pass defense of all time to that point. The next offseason, Brown was given his walking papers. So yes, practice should be weighed, but you'd have to be more specific as to how heavily you'd like it to be weighed. As for Tebow, he was largely generating mixed reviews in practice and looked anywhere from incosistent to horrible in the actual games. Based off of what we've seen and heard, if I were to go by how he's performed alone, I wouldn't say that he's earned or deserves a roster spot. But, as I said before, that may not be the team's plan for him. The team could very well be keeping him around to give the defense read option looks in practice, and that could be how he gets a roster spot.

It's a question that's almost impossible to answer without a lengthy explanation, but even if the answer is explained, you will resort to the "gotcha" every time.

At first, I thought you were doing this intentionally, since it's so obvious, but after reading your other posts in this thread... I fear that you may not be very clever...

This lesson was free, courtesy of the free time I have away from work today. You're welcome



Thanks for telling us what our opinions are. Again... and again... and again...

Maybe some day you'll actually be able to communicate with real people, and they can tell you what their actual opinions are.

Until then, carry on arguing against the imaginary "Tebowite" characters you've created in your own mind.

Edit: How many triple posts can you possible cram into one thread? I'm guessing you're about to follow up with the fabled "Quadruple Post" and moment now...

This and some of Ivan's posts are pretty good examples of why every Tebow thread that has ever been started on this forum suck... badly.

 

[manxman2601]

Okay. I guess I'll enter World War 3...



No it's not. That would mean that the question in the thread title is a loaded question. While the question specifically asked in the O.P. is a loaded question, the one in the thread title is not.



The last time a player on this roster earned a spot and cost someone else their's when practice performance was weighed too heavily was Sergio Brown prior to the 2011 season. His performance in practice had supposedly made Brandon Meriweather and James Sanders expendable (at least that was the argument given here, specifically citing media reports). He wasn't impressive at all, and that's putting it kindly, in preseason games. As it turns out, letting at least one of those guys go was a mistake and we fielded the second worst pass defense of all time to that point. The next offseason, Brown was given his walking papers. So yes, practice should be weighed, but you'd have to be more specific as to how heavily you'd like it to be weighed. As for Tebow, he was largely generating mixed reviews in practice and looked anywhere from incosistent to horrible in the actual games. Based off of what we've seen and heard, if I were to go by how he's performed alone, I wouldn't say that he's earned or deserves a roster spot. But, as I said before, that may not be the team's plan for him. The team could very well be keeping him around to give the defense read option looks in practice, and that could be how he gets a roster spot.



This and some of Ivan's posts are pretty good examples of why every Tebow thread that has ever been started on this forum suck... badly.

They don't suck, they're fantastic. Seriously, i mean it's this or Jeff Tu....Zzzzzz

 

[Kontradiction]

They don't suck, they're fantastic. Seriously, i mean it's this or Jeff Tu....Zzzzzz

They would be a whole lot better if people were actually good at insulting each other, or Tebow. Throw a few fine zingers out there and the quality of the Tebow threads would improve in my eyes.

 

[Ironman44]

No imaginary battle at all, there are many Tebow supporters here who want him on the team yet not one can make any case for why he deserves that. they want him on the team because he is Tebow, not because he deserves it and that is obvious, as is their inability to support their position.

It's like talking to a wall .....

One last time....

I think Tebow has sucked in the two games .

I don't know if he has shown something at practice that would sway BB in keeping him.

I don't know if BB is interested in developing him.

I think he will be cut but admittedly have no idea .

Explain to me How my thought pattern is so unreasonable . Not a stupid retort or a silly link, but actually explain what makes my position so crazy .

Do I want him to make the roster? Of course I do , I am not only a fan but if he makes the roster then that means point number 2 or 3 were true and if that's the case it would mean he is a player that can help the Patriots .

 

[manxman2601]

They would be a whole lot better if people were actually good at insulting each other, or Tebow. Throw a few fine zingers out there and the quality of the Tebow threads would improve in my eyes.

I've been called a lesbian today. How does it not get better?

 

[Kontradiction]

I've been called a lesbian today. How does it not get better?

I require more than one good insult in nine pages.

 

[PatsDeb]

With our first two opponents being division rivals and a mess at QB, I wonder if BB would keep Tebow until after we play the Jets in Week 2 just to make sure neither the Bills nor the Jets sign him, either to play or to give away the playbook.

 

[Suddyfan]

Welker was largely a product of Brady and the Pat's system and his numbers will be lower in Denver.

While I agree with the idea his numbers will be slightly lower its not due to the Brady and the pats system or lack there of in this case.

I think that Welker was Brady's go to guy (for lack of a better term) and developed an amazing field relationship with Brady. He might get there with Manning but it will take a while.

Manning has Decker / DT and Tamme to throw too --- all guys he has 1 year with and he understands them better.

I see a slow start for Wes (by his standards ) then I can see him lighting up the last 6+ games or so.

 

[manxman2601]

I require more than one good insult in nine pages.

You can't expect to waltz in, offer nothing and get free insults in return. Freeloader.

 

[goheels22002]

With our first two opponents being division rivals and a mess at QB, I wonder if BB would keep Tebow until after we play the Jets in Week 2 just to make sure neither the Bills nor the Jets sign him, either to play or to give away the playbook.

Tebow giving away the playbook is the least of the Patriots worries. What's he going to tell them?

"Well Rex, it's pretty straight forward. On 1st down the Patriots snap the ball, the receivers go out and run the routes the defense gives them. If the first guy isn't open, I throw the ball into the turf or roll out to my left until somebody sacks me.

On 2nd down, I hand the ball to the running back and get the hell out of the way.

On third down, I line up in the shotgun, take the snap, stare into the eyes of the defensive tackle that Mankins lets through just to mess with me and I run for the sideline.

On 4th down, Mesko punts the ball and I go over to the sideline and sit next to McDaniels while he asks me to pray with him that Belichick won't fire him for bringing me to New England.

Brady? I have no idea what Brady does.

Rex, are you listening? Do you have to turn your back on me? "

If Belichick can get a bag of kicking tees for Tebow he should make the deal.

 

[Suddyfan]

Tebow giving away the playbook is the least of the Patriots worries. What's he going to tell them?

"Well Rex, it's pretty straight forward. On 1st down the Patriots snap the ball, the receivers go out and run the routes the defense gives them. If the first guy isn't open, I throw the ball into the turf or roll out to my left until somebody sacks me.

On 2nd down, I hand the ball to the running back and get the hell out of the way.

On third down, I line up in the shotgun, take the snap, stare into the eyes of the defensive tackle that Mankins lets through just to mess with me and I run for the sideline.

On 4th down, Mesko punts the ball and I go over to the sideline and sit next to McDaniels while he asks me to pray with him that Belichick won't fire him for bringing me to New England.

Brady? I have no idea what Brady does.

Rex, are you listening? Do you have to turn your back on me? "

If Belichick can get a bag of kicking tees for Tebow he should make the deal.

only one problem. Tebow wouldn't say hell I don't think. So substitute heck and you are golden.

 

[Ironman44]

With our first two opponents being division rivals and a mess at QB, I wonder if BB would keep Tebow until after we play the Jets in Week 2 just to make sure neither the Bills nor the Jets sign him, either to play or to give away the playbook.

 

[Brady6]

With our first two opponents being division rivals and a mess at QB, I wonder if BB would keep Tebow until after we play the Jets in Week 2 just to make sure neither the Bills nor the Jets sign him, either to play or to give away the playbook.

I do not think there is any chance the Jet’s would resign Tebow; and the Bills are unlikely to bring a player that causes as much controversy as Tebow does on board with a rookie QB like Manuel projecting to be their starter. The other point to be made is that Tebow’s ability to comprehend the playbook is one of the biggest issues he has, so if he cannot comprehend something well enough to do it, I’d be very surprised if he could explain it to another team in terms that would impact our play against them.

If Tebow is cut on Aug 31st I would almost guarantee that he will not be playing football this season in the NFL. He would be looking at 2014 and even that would be skeptical, this could be his last shot, at least as a quarterback.

 

[PatsDeb]

Tebow giving away the playbook is the least of the Patriots worries. What's he going to tell them?

"Well Rex, it's pretty straight forward. On 1st down the Patriots snap the ball, the receivers go out and run the routes the defense gives them. If the first guy isn't open, I throw the ball into the turf or roll out to my left until somebody sacks me.

On 2nd down, I hand the ball to the running back and get the hell out of the way.

On third down, I line up in the shotgun, take the snap, stare into the eyes of the defensive tackle that Mankins lets through just to mess with me and I run for the sideline.

On 4th down, Mesko punts the ball and I go over to the sideline and sit next to McDaniels while he asks me to pray with him that Belichick won't fire him for bringing me to New England.

Brady? I have no idea what Brady does.

Rex, are you listening? Do you have to turn your back on me? "

If Belichick can get a bag of kicking tees for Tebow he should make the deal.

Really? With all his new receivers you don't think Brady and his new crew have been working on specific plays to get them through the first few weeks? You don't think Tebow knows which routes Amendola excels on or Thompkins? I don't think anyone is going to offer anything to BB for Tebow, even a bag of golf tees. The question I was answering is whether he would be cut before the season starts, and while I thought he would be cut, now I am not so sure. I think BB might keep him to prevent him from falling into enemy hands for a few weeks, if for nothing else, then to give no advantage to the first two opponents while Brady and his receivers get their game going.

 

[PatsDeb]

I do not think there is any chance the Jet’s would resign Tebow; and the Bills are unlikely to bring a player that causes as much controversy as Tebow does on board with a rookie QB like Manuel projecting to be their starter. The other point to be made is that Tebow’s ability to comprehend the playbook is one of the biggest issues he has, so if he cannot comprehend something well enough to do it, I’d be very surprised if he could explain it to another team in terms that would impact our play against them.

If Tebow is cut on Aug 31st I would almost guarantee that he will not be playing football this season in the NFL. He would be looking at 2014 and even that would be skeptical, this could be his last shot, at least as a quarterback.

You're probably right, but Tebow's problem is he can't read defenses quickly and he can't throw accurately. That doesn't mean he doesn't know which plays the Pats plan to run against the Bills and Jets and which personnel groupings they plan to use. If neither Sanchez nor the rookie can go for a few weeks, wouldn't Tebow be the best stop-gap for the Jets? The Jets and the Pats have used such gamesmanship before, so why wouldn't they use it again?

 

[Demosthenes]

I do not think there is any chance the Jet’s would resign Tebow; and the Bills are unlikely to bring a player that causes as much controversy as Tebow does on board with a rookie QB like Manuel projecting to be their starter. The other point to be made is that Tebow’s ability to comprehend the playbook is one of the biggest issues he has, so if he cannot comprehend something well enough to do it, I’d be very surprised if he could explain it to another team in terms that would impact our play against them.

If Tebow is cut on Aug 31st I would almost guarantee that he will not be playing football this season in the NFL. He would be looking at 2014 and even that would be skeptical, this could be his last shot, at least as a quarterback.

I have never heard anyone who would be in a position to know, claim that Tebow had difficulty comprehending the playbook. Hell, Josh even said that Tebow was quick to pick up the Pats system back when they met on a pre-draft visit.

 

[Brady6]

I don't know if BB is interested in developing him.

The thing I have noticed over the last few years is Belichick has admittedly been unable to get the teams to do what he wanted them to do, he said it about the 2009 team during his NFLN “A Football Life” show, so over the last few years he has done what he thought was best not to put himself in a position that could result in him as some say “losing the team”. For that reason I find it very hard to envision a way to explain keeping Tim Tebow as a developmental quarterback, you have a team with 55-60 players on it currently younger and less tenured in the NFL than Tebow; you’re going to rely heavily on players like Dobson, C. Jones, Hightower, Ridley, Vereen, Collins, Dennard, and many others, how do you justify to them all of the pressures and expectations you’ve placed on them, along with the repercussions they receive for their mistakes (example: Sudfeld being benched for fumbling) while you have an older, more experienced player making mistake after mistake which results in his being labeled as a developmental player.

The only way this works in my opinion is if Tebow turns himself back into a developmental player by switching positions, a 4 year NFL veteran (as the same position) cannot be the developmental player on a team that outside of Brady and Wilfork relies primarily on players in years 1, 2, or 3 to be its contributors.