Halfway mark check - how many wins for the Pats in 2024?

[lancerman]

Well actually I do want them to get it so they can trade out.

Trade in the top two pick for example to go down to pick seven and to accumulate two first round picks in a couple seconds or whatever to do so is much more valuable than them picking that number two and taking a guard or something like that.

We need a lot of help and the only way to do that is to leverage our pick into more pics. Obviously we also need a GM who knows what the **** they're doing so that's a problem.

Yeah I don't want that. They need to identify two positions of need and just get the best in the draft at that position unless they think those guys are so far down they can afford a trade. This also isn't a QB heavy draft. You might get ONE team to trade for QB. But after that, every pick down, you are guaranteeing you do not get one of the BPA. Going down to 7 basically guarantees the best lineman and WR are gone. Once you get to the second round, WR and lineman picks are complete crapshoots and you are looking at guys who are risks like Polk again. You are better off just getting one sure thing, than one decent bet and one crapshoot.

 

[Real fan 02]

They've certainly got a head start with their rookie QB's, but then their rookie QB's were older and more experienced than Maye. They also had more faith in their offensive line to put their rookie QB's out there.

Washington has Terry McLaurin and not much else "better" than the Patriots in terms of weapons. Football is won in the trenches, weapons are largely overrated. The Pat's WR's dropped some easy passes yesterday, but it was endemic of the entire team. They haven't done anything particularly well or consistently all season... yesterday it just happened to be drops.

The Patriot coaches have to do better... the real X factor here has been better coaching by Washington and Chicago. Patriot coaches have been slow to react, to adjust... they're reactionary not proactive.

Daniels left college and entered a Washington team that built a college style offense around his skillset. He was older, more experienced but he is also running a much simpler offense. These organizations are just more well run.

You make good points wozzy.. but Washington has put up big points this season.. having a guy like McLarin has been immense for daniels. It allows every other part of the offense to open up. It's impressive what they are able to do.

 

[Real fan 02]

You guys were telling us they had no talent early in the 2014-2018 seasons... then with no influx of new talent those teams played better.

Execution matters as much or more than talent. A talented team can play like sht.

Yes execution matter alot. Your right. I never said we didn't have talent in those years.. I recall saying we never had game breakers like randy moss. We always had great possession WRs. And in the 2010s we had gronk.

 

[Wozzy]

You make good points wozzy.. but Washington has put up big points this season.. having a guy like McLarin has been immense for daniels. It allows every other part of the offense to open up. It's impressive what they are able to do.

The Jets have Aaron Rogers, Devante Adams, Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall... a football team is more than just a collection of talent.

Fundamentals, attention to detail, scheme, execution, hard work, adjustments, depth of talent... all these things matter more than just talent. If a collection of talent was good enough the Cowboys would have multiple rings since Jimmy Johnson left.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes execution matter alot. Your right. I never said we didn't have talent in those years.. I recall saying we never had game breakers like randy moss. We always had great possession WRs. And in the 2010s we had gronk.

Remember, Gronk got hurt and they still won a ring in 2016.

Even a really talented team can play poorly, that's on coaching.

 

[sb1]

Remember, Gronk got hurt and they still won a ring in 2016.

Even a really talented team can play poorly, that's on coaching.

Yes coaching can absolutely lose games.

But a coach can't make a crap team great. They can't win them... good players do that.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes coaching can absolutely lose games.

But a coach can't make a crap team great. They can't win them... good players do that.

This isn't a crap team, not much worse than Chicago or Washington. The line sucks. They also execute at a far lower level.

And if the talent is bad, why did they bring back every single important free agent on the team?

The defense is substantially worse with most of the same players. They aren't as good in scheme, adjustments, game planning or execution.

 

[Real fan 02]

Remember, Gronk got hurt and they still won a ring in 2016.

Even a really talented team can play poorly, that's on coaching.

Well the 199th pick had alot to do with that as well. Yes Bill is at the mountain top of greats.

 

[Real fan 02]

This isn't a crap team, not much worse than Chicago or Washington. The line sucks. They also execute at a far lower level.

And if the talent is bad, why did they bring back every single important free agent on the team?

The defense is substantially worse with most of the same players. They aren't as good in scheme, adjustments, game planning or execution.

Our roster is 32 out of 32 teams.. I know that we have significant injuries. But heading into the year our roster talent is league worst.

 

[Wozzy]

Well the 199th pick had alot to do with that as well. Yes Bill is at the mountain top of greats.

Oh good grief... Brady was here for 20 years, they had a ten year stretch with no rings... what happened during that decade?

It's a team game. One player is not the answer to everything or some magic elixir.

 

[Wozzy]

Our roster is 32 out of 32 teams.. I know that we have significant injuries. But heading into the year our roster talent is league worst.

It's worse after the Barmore and Bently injuries defensively, if they were healthy this is one of the more talented defenses in the NFL.

The offensive line is horrible because of Wolf's decisions, not by accident.

The weapons on this team are good. The coaching has been spotty at best. Maye behind a great line makes this a really talented team.

 

[Real fan 02]

Oh good grief... Brady was here for 20 years, they had a ten year stretch with no rings... what happened during that decade?

It's a team game. One player is not the answer to everything or some magic elixir.

2006 riddled with injury lost to Denver divisional
2007 pissed down our pants in AFCCG
2008 ugh... no need to even mention
2009 lost at home to Ravens
2010 loss at home to Jets in divisional
2011 made it to superbowl lost again
2012 lost at home to Ravens AFCCG
2013 lost at Denver in playoffs
2014 won against Seahawks

So that 10 year stretch we didn't win your summizing that was bradys fault?

 

[Real fan 02]

It's worse after the Barmore and Bently injuries defensively, if they were healthy this is one of the more talented defenses in the NFL.

The offensive line is horrible because of Wolf's decisions, not by accident.

The weapons on this team are good. The coaching has been spotty at best. Maye behind a great line makes this a really talented team.

Yeah I agree the OL is a joke.. however we do have a find with Benny brown. I believe he makes it easier to transition from Andrews. Our WRs aren't terrible I'd say just not game changers.

 

[signbabybrady]

Well actually I do want them to get it so they can trade out.

Trade in the top two pick for example to go down to pick seven and to accumulate two first round picks in a couple seconds or whatever to do so is much more valuable than them picking that number two and taking a guard or something like that.

We need a lot of help and the only way to do that is to leverage our pick into more pics. Obviously we also need a GM who knows what the **** they're doing so that's a problem.

It was a long time ago but I remember a team at the turn of the century who didn't have a number 1 pick one year, selected 6 the following year without trading back, skipped on the weapon everyone thought we desperately needed, and took a 5tech DL despite still needing to replace a decade long LT and then got that LT in Rd 2.

Trading back is certainly not the only way.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes coaching can absolutely lose games.

But a coach can't make a crap team great. They can't win them... good players do that.

Bill did it a lot

 

[TheRainMaker]

2006 riddled with injury lost to Denver divisional
2007 pissed down our pants in AFCCG
2008 ugh... no need to even mention
2009 lost at home to Ravens
2010 loss at home to Jets in divisional
2011 made it to superbowl lost again
2012 lost at home to Ravens AFCCG
2013 lost at Denver in playoffs
2014 won against Seahawks

So that 10 year stretch we didn't win your summizing that was bradys fault?

The Pats were too good overall to go on a 10 year drought like that. Bad Front Office moves were the main culprit. They didn't have a lot of needs, but they were constantly ignored which teams eventually exploited.

Denver was 2005 - not 2006 as well as Indy was 2006 and the Giants was 2007.

Pats in 2005 just wasn't that good. They purposely dropped the last game so they could avoid Denver, but had to go there anyways because of the Palmer injury which led to the Pittsburgh upset.

2006 was another team that wasn't that good and had no business beating SD. Even with the made up "face guarding" call, they choked badly in Indy.

Brady injury in 2007 is still overlooked and too much credit is given to the Giants D-line. A healthy Brady could've been the difference to put the Giants just out of reach.

2009 team was another team that wasn't very good.

2010-2012 were choke jobs.

Denver was the better team in 2013.

Had they lost in 2014, I think Brady would've started planning his exit and the opinion of Bill's reputation of being a defensive savant would take a hit with 3 straight defensive collapses in the Super Bowl.

 

[signbabybrady]

2005 riddled with injury lost to Denver divisional
2006 pissed down our pants in AFCCG
2007 ugh... no need to even mention
2008 knee
2009 lost at home to Ravens
2010 loss at home to Jets in divisional
2011 made it to superbowl lost again
2012 lost at home to Ravens AFCCG
2013 lost at Denver in playoffs
2014 won against Seahawks



So that 10 year stretch we didn't win your summizing that was bradys fault?
e didn't win your summizing that was bradys fault?

Had to fix

 

[Boomer B]

2-3 more wins. We don’t have the talent to win a lot of games, but for me the most important thing is to see the team, the coaches, and Maye grow and get better.

 

[Real fan 02]

The Pats were too good overall to go on a 10 year drought like that. Bad Front Office moves were the main culprit. They didn't have a lot of needs, but they were constantly ignored which teams eventually exploited.

Denver was 2005 - not 2006 as well as Indy was 2006 and the Giants was 2007.

Pats in 2005 just wasn't that good. They purposely dropped the last game so they could avoid Denver, but had to go there anyways because of the Palmer injury which led to the Pittsburgh upset.

2006 was another team that wasn't that good and had no business beating SD. Even with the made up "face guarding" call, they choked badly in Indy.

Brady injury in 2007 is still overlooked and too much credit is given to the Giants D-line. A healthy Brady could've been the difference to put the Giants just out of reach.

2009 team was another team that wasn't very good.

2010-2012 were choke jobs.

Denver was the better team in 2013.

Had they lost in 2014, I think Brady would've started planning his exit and the opinion of Bill's reputation of being a defensive savant would take a hit with 3 straight defensive collapses.

Agree 2005 season correct for Denver. My fault. Yes the ankle injury in 07.. vaslt affected his ability in the superbowl. Our O-line had pro bowl caliber players too good for what they showed in the superbowl. 2010-2012.. the defense allowed teams to stick around to often.

They were up 21-3 at indy.. that was a chance to steal another SB..

 

[sb1]

Bill did it a lot

Taking a bad Patriots team completely devoid of talent and making them great by coaching? I don't think so. That's not his fault because that can't be done.

A coach of Bill's pedigree can turn a good team into a great one (and he has) and also prevent a subpar team from completely cratering (he's done that too at least until last season) but coaching just can't turn a bad team into a great one. It's all about having good players.