Guregian on the Gronk/Belichick "beef".

[Kontradiction]

I think the best solution is to allow the players to pick their own trainer, but as a trade off, their contracts get adjusted to be more incentive based. nothing outlandish, make the numbers equal to what they did the last year they played 16 games while doing the teams S&C.

You don't want to lift weights? fine, you get vet minimum, with incentives for hitting these numbers. If you want to go off script, you should be ready to have to prove that the method you are going for works.

This assumes Gronk wasn’t also lifting weights. I can guarantee you he was.

 

[Deus Irae]

Poor Gwonky got his feewing hurt by mean old BB.

What a bunch of crap. Is this a sewing bee or a football team.

If you don't see the problem with all of this as it's been reported, perhaps humanity is not for you.

 

[PP2]

Or it could be that Guerrero’s methods still won’t stop an ACL areas but are better for nagging types of injuries.

Don't forget that both Edelman and Mitchell got rolled up on previous to their injuries. It's why I started that thread a long time ago about yanking players who are seen getting rolled upon and putting them through a protocol similar to the concussion protocol.

 

[PP2]

It's a problem if your modern, well-trained, highly-skilled training staff is being ignored in favor of a guy spouting a mixture of good ideas and flat-out nonsense, just because the good ideas seem to be helping a star player. It's tough incorporating Guerrero with the staff if he's badmouthing the others on staff (and I don't know if that is happening or not).

There are better ways of settling this issue than calling a player out in front of the team. As much as I have admired BB over the years, this is one instance where he is flat out wrong.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Alex Guerrero learned some of his methods from an ancestor of mine.

 

[Hyped]

Well, it hasn't. Brady just played at an MVP level at age 40 and Gronk finished the season (aside from the Church hit). It's too bad Edelman tore his ACL, because we could also judge his work as well. Next year, we'll get to watch Edelman and Mitchell in their respective comebacks.

I don't think Edelman buys into Guerro's stuff...I seem to remember him saying he liked weights in one of those Tom vs. Time episodes.....

 

[Clonamery]

Alex Guerrero learned some of his methods from an ancestor of mine.

Cats eat avocados?

 

[Jackson 2]

I think you should re-read the thread starter post.

The more Tom E. Curran runs with this stuff, the easier he is to ignore. I used to think a lot of him, but I think he's losing his grip on relevance. The TV gig is good for the ego and the wallet but he is shooting down the path to irrelevance, IMHO.

Baloney. You have no way of knowing if Gronk wouldn't have sustained more injuries without the "training regimen with moses cabrera". Personally I think AG's pliability stuff is useful, but we don't have any way of knowing for sure without a lot of careful research with control groups etc.

BL, I think your comments on Curran are largely on target, but, as I've written before, I think his own personal and professional relationship with Guerrero has colored his viewpoint on the Brady/Gronk/Belichick conflicts. I also have always thought highly of Curran, and still do but to a somewhat lesser degree. I think he's still an honest, upfront guy,but this whole saga has made me view him in a somewhat different light.

 

[Hyped]

Again, the Herald article says, "according to a source".

Not questioning that BB called Gronk out, but I'd love to get some more context here...what exactly did BB say for instance....

 

[IllegalContact]

Somewhere, Butler is looking at his 2 SB rings, sitting on a pile of money, smiling

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't think Edelman buys into Guerro's stuff...I seem to remember him saying he liked weights in one of those Tom vs. Time episodes.....

Edelman was working with Guerrero prior to last season.

 

[Boomer B]

It’s pretty obvious there was more tension then usual between Belichick and Brady/Gronk in 2017 and it stemmed from the Guerrero situation.

Get that stuff figured out, put it behind them, and go get number 6.

 

[scott99]

Belichick is the boss, what he says, goes, period. Gronk can retire if he doesn’t like it. Though I think they trade him at the draft. Especially if he doesn’t show up at the first meeting (in a few days I believe).

 

[IcyPatriot]

Too much soap opera for me ... I am on to the draft.

 

[Kontradiction]

Don't forget that both Edelman and Mitchell got rolled up on previous to their injuries. It's why I started that thread a long time ago about yanking players who are seen getting rolled upon and putting them through a protocol similar to the concussion protocol.

You'd be doing that a lot now with the new rules.

 

[Deus Irae]

Belichick is the boss, what he says, goes, period. Gronk can retire if he doesn’t like it. Though I think they trade him at the draft. Especially if he doesn’t show up at the first meeting (in a few days I believe).

Players, even in the NFL, have been using their own training regimen for as long as there's been a league. Some players have used martial arts, others ballet. The past week has given us stories about Aaron Donald using knives for training. And trainers get things wrong.


Or don't people like yourself remember that the recent treatment for concussion was "shake it off, and get back out there!"?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Cats eat avocados?

Streeeeeetch!

 

[Kontradiction]

Too much soap opera for me ... I am on to the draft.

I was listening to this song when I posted the thread...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Edelman was working with Guerrero prior to last season.

wasn't guerrero's methods supposed to avoid injuries like this?

 

[Deus Irae]

wasn't guerrero's methods supposed to avoid injuries like this?

There's a difference between "Fewer" and "Zero", and that is not something that Brady doesn't point out with frequency.