Greg Bedard: Pats coaching staff already at a troubling crossroads

[PatsFan2]

The Redskins signed 3 FA OL starters including a LT. That seems to have gone well for them.
Ironically people here thought Trent Brown didn’t care about football so they rejoiced at signing Chunks who quit after 12 plays.

Preach AJ preach the yeahoo's are awfully quiet because they thought you were just spewing garbage in FA.

 

[Ring 6]

I was tooting the Resign Trent Mount Brown horn and got tarred and feathered by the experts here.

Brown was signed for 1 year 4.75 mill.

 

[Jim Beankie]

They need... wide open spaces... room to make big mistakes... need new faces... they know the high stakes

 

[PatsFan2]

Brown was signed for 1 year 4.75 mill.

They thought they had better on the Roster that's why they're signing every Tom - **** and Harry @ OT off the waiver wire.

 

[sb1]

Well then.

 

[PatsFan2]

@Steve102 Quit it with the Brother Ugh! what's that Brother??

 

[Steve102]

I bet you any WR we jettison when Bourne gets' activated will look like a world beater elsewhere. I know deep down many of our WR's are saying release me please.

You're the guy that thinks everyone else's WR is better than ours. Now the one dude they cut for Bourne is gonna get a bust in Canton? Stop it.

 

[The Gr8est]

The glass half full? Gotcha. This may accelerate Mayo’s departure and we might get a good, experienced coach next year. Mike Vrabel?

Maybe the Krafts are not high on coaches lists as people they want to work for?

 

[Wozzy]

In retrospect and I'm being honest. We should have used the 8 million given to Brissett on a real LT, kept Zapp,and how we are looking now should have just kept Bill it wouldn't had been a different anyway.

The Patriots had the most cap space in the entire league after signing every free agent and all their draft picks.

Money is no excuse for anything, they simply should have signed better players and drafted better.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Maybe the Krafts are not high on coaches lists as people they want to work for?

That would be mostly speculation, as the succession plan allowed them to promote Mayo without interviewing anyone.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Step One: Blow up the FO, starting with Al Groh’s kid and then Wolfie; I don’t know which of them recommended which useless stiffs from the 2021-23 drafts for Bill, so I gotta get rid of them both.

Step Two: Inform the new GM that Mayo has one more season to build a better staph and that if the results for 2025 are the same as the results from 2024 will almost certainly become, then he gets kicked to the curb too.

You can't jump ship after one year, you need to buold stability and give thee poeple a chance to right the ship. Bad team keep changing people in position and it doesn't work.

The Patriots had the most cap space in the entire league after signing every free agent and all their draft picks.

Money is no excuse for anything, they simply should have signed better players and drafted better.

Were their better players that wanted to play here?

 

[ViperGTS]

Well then.

Didn't they take a post down about that? Or the video? Word must have come from on high to delete it. Wonder what that means for Lazar? They take his access away?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Maybe the Krafts are not high on coaches lists as people they want to work for?

Great point. It might not be the mountain of problems to fix that will make them pause. Word gets around, and I wouldn’t be surprised if BB shares a few thoughts with any candidates to replace Mayo once that day comes. We will probably have to take a flier on some young coordinator, unless Vrabel is willing to step in.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You can't jump ship after one year, you need to buold stability and give thee poeple a chance to right the ship. Bad team keep changing people in position and it doesn't work.

Ownership will know fairly quickly whether this is a sinking ship. There are recent examples where Owners had to cut the cord quickly such as Josh McDaniels, Urban Meyer. Other examples were Adam Gase/Dolphins (should've been fired after his first press conference with the Jets). Matt Patricia should've been canned after year 1 as it was reported the he lost the locker room during the first training camp. Joe Judge was gone after year 2.

If the Pats don't win more than 3 games this season and the dysfunction continues, I could see Bob cutting the cord which would shock the Mayo homers.

Were their better players that wanted to play here?

Apparently not. Pats got used two years in a row by 3 WR's to get the deal they wanted with the team they wanted. They are only going to get players who are looking for a shot to stay in the NFL.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ownership will know fairly quickly whether this is a sinking ship. There are recent examples where Owners had to cut the cord quickly such as Josh McDaniels, Urban Meyer. Other examples were Adam Gase/Dolphins (should've been fired after his first press conference with the Jets). Matt Patricia should've been canned after year 1 as it was reported the he lost the locker room during the first training camp. Joe Judge was gone after year 2.

Short of him pulling an Urban Meyer, there is almost no chance he gets fired before the middle of next season.

In any case, the injuries this team has suffered so far will probably be enough to warrant giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[PatsfanTN]

I feel like the “players coach” thing fails more often than it succeeds. Look at the Raiders also this year . I don’t know, but discipline and accountability sets the tone.

 

[Tunescribe]

I misread your post. I thought you were saying you were 31.

And buying a contender almost never works especially if there is a weak free agent class. We could have paid top dollar for the best LT on the market - Trent Freakin' Brown. I mean the Bengals paid him money to mail it in before he got injured and was lost for the year. If there was a good free agent market, I might agree with you. It wasn't.

Stupid teams overpay for bad to average talent. I am glad they didn't spend too much on this offseason because there really wasn't anything worth spending on in areas of needs at the time. If there was good players at areas of needs, then you can trash them about spending.

But the best way to build a contender is to do it patently. Build through the draft and spend strategically on free agents. The Pats spent big bucks in 2021 and three years later only Hunter Henry and Bourne are even on the roster. Half the guys didn't pan out. And they had one playoff appearance to show for it.

And being a great DC does not make you a great HC. No one was sure that Belichick was going to be very good when Kraft got him to come here. In fact, many said he was stupid to give up a first for him. And many wanted him fired after 2000.

And I am not saying Mayo is Belichick. I am saying it is the same thought process. And Mayo could turn into a brilliant head coach. Who knows? He could also be fired in a year or two.

I don't think they should overpay for bad talent either. But they should not shy away from paying a premium for TOP talent in areas of need. Historically, the Pats have had problems with the latter and it's getting worse now that they're no longer a "destination."

Yes, "patience" is required to build a contender but it should not be at the expense of being competitive or where losing is tolerated. I don't care where this team is in the process, there ALWAYS should be a sense of urgency to win NOW. I've had a bellyful of losing from 2022-'23, now we're being told to exercise patience (endure more losing) while neophytes Mayo and Wolf learn their jobs. It absolutely did not have to be this way.

You and I have different recollections of the early BB days. I was happy when he got hired and thought the first-round forfeiture was well worth it. The football program needed a hard reboot, nobody was calling for his head after that bumpy 5-11 first year. Part of the reason was confidence in the veteran staff he assembled and reports on how he was changing team culture.

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[Rob0729]

I don't think they should overpay for bad talent either. But they should not shy away from paying a premium for TOP talent in areas of need. Historically, the Pats have had problems with the latter and it's getting worse now that they're no longer a "destination."

Yes, "patience" is required to build a contender but it should not be at the expense of being competitive or where losing is tolerated. I don't care where this team is in the process, there ALWAYS should be a sense of urgency to win NOW. I've had a bellyful of losing from 2022-'23, now we're being told to exercise patience (endure more losing) while neophytes Mayo and Wolf learn their jobs. It absolutely did not have to be this way.

You and I have different recollections of the early BB days. I was happy when he got hired and thought the first-round forfeiture was well worth it. The football program needed a hard reboot, nobody was calling for his head after that bumpy 5-11 first year. Part of the reason was confidence in the veteran staff he assembled and reports on how he was changing team culture.

The Patriots tried to pay for both Calvin Ridley and Brandon Aiyuk. They were rebuffed. I am sure they will be willing to pay Tee Higgins or another WR next offseason. There was just no one worth paying for.

And as for Belichick, my recollections are correct. He was called “duplicitous pond scum” by some in the local media. And people did speculate whether he would make it through the 2001 season especially with the Terry Glenn drama (“I did. D-I-D, did”). Not saying all people were doing it, but there was a fair share.

 

[sb1]

Coach Vrabel like Bill is unemployed.

Seems that people’s opinions about him here are quite a bit higher than what the league thinks about him as a HC. Doubtful he moves the needle on this team much if at all…