Greg Bedard: Pats coaching staff already at a troubling crossroads

[Real fan 02]

Well, despite most opinions on the board, I thought Patricia improved during the season, the team started to play better on offense and was competitive until Mac and or Zappe made their inexplicable blunders, and we ended up losing.

I was one admittedly to dump on Patricia.. the offense looks leaps and bounds better 2 seasons ago then it does now.. who would have thought!!

 

[p8ryts]

I was one admittedly to dump on Patricia.. the offense looks leaps and bounds better 2 seasons ago then it does now.. who would have thought!!

Everybody dumped on Patricia immediately and unfortunately it included Jones, Bourne and other players who seemed to think they knew better than experienced NFL coaches. Maybe if they had worked from day 1 it would have been a different situation, but they didn't.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't judge any coach after 5 games. None. I didn't kill Patricia in 2022 after 5 games.

You were criticizing Patricia before 1 game.

I understand evaluating Mayo and the organization makes it impossible for you to defend your position, so I understand why you take the 5th and refuse to evaluate what you seem to want to spend a lot of time talking about. I see through it

 

[Zuma]

In 2000 the Patriots were 5-11 with the greatest HC of all time. Heck he was 5-11, 6-10 in Cleveland. I don’t understand the panic. R-E-L-A-X.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Everybody dumped on Patricia immediately and unfortunately it included Jones, Bourne and other players who seemed to think they knew better than experienced NFL coaches. Maybe if they had worked from day 1 it would have been a different situation, but they didn't.

Patricia's career was defined by his inability to relate to players on a personal level, not his understanding of football. If he had the same attitude that Steve B had when taking responsibility for coaching the safeties, the players would have respected him more and likely been more invested in making the offense work.

 

[Real fan 02]

Everybody dumped on Patricia immediately and unfortunately it included Jones, Bourne and other players who seemed to think they knew better than experienced NFL coaches. Maybe if they had worked from day 1 it would have been a different situation, but they didn't.

I agree. I just believe the acceptance that he could coach offense wasn't there. So that will never work with players if they don't believe in the coach or whatever they are being coached.

 

[captain stone]

If you can’t pick em, can’t coach em up and can’t develop a scheme, there is only one way to make it better.

Step One: Blow up the FO, starting with Al Groh’s kid and then Wolfie; I don’t know which of them recommended which useless stiffs from the 2021-23 drafts for Bill, so I gotta get rid of them both.

Step Two: Inform the new GM that Mayo has one more season to build a better staph and that if the results for 2025 are the same as the results from 2024 will almost certainly become, then he gets kicked to the curb too.

 

[Ring 6]

Step 1b Go out an do whatever it takes to get a top GM, pay what it takes, offer total control and an unlimited budget and the opportunity to be the architect of the next dynasty.

 

[Tunescribe]

Not sure that I follow, unless you mean that we need to find a new GM and coach. If that is the case our only hope for having a competitive team in the near future is for Mayo and Wolf to figure it out quickly. I don't think there is any chance that Kraft would be bold enough to admit that he made a mistake after 1 year.

Kraft has gone very soft and I'll attribute that to age. In my 31 years as season ticket holder, this is the first time I've questioned his commitment to fielding a competitive team. I fear his man-crush on Mayo was more about Jerod's personal profile than the substance needed to be a successful head coach. During a preseason press chat when he ruefully quipped, "I just hope we don't struggle too much," I thought, whoa there, Bob. Isn't it your responsibility to prevent that, ESPECIALLY after going 4-13? If you have anticipate "struggle" coming via Mayo and Wolf before the season even starts, perhaps you made the wrong choices (in addition to holding those purse strings too tight).

I don't judge any coach after 5 games. None. I didn't kill Patricia in 2022 after 5 games.

Yes, perhaps we're being harshly premature and Mayo will right the ship. But since Cincy, the ship has listed worse each week, due at least in part to questionable coaching.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Step One: Blow up the FO, starting with Al Groh’s kid and then Wolfie; I don’t know which of them recommended which useless stiffs from the 2021-23 drafts for Bill, so I gotta get rid of them both.

Step Two: Inform the new GM that Mayo has one more season to build a better staph and that if the results for 2025 are the same as the results from 2024 will almost certainly become, then he gets kicked to the curb too.

You can't jump ship after one year, you need to build stability and give these people a chance to right the ship. Bad teams keep changing people in position and it doesn't work.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You can't jump ship after one year, you need to build stability and give these people a chance to right the ship. Bad teams keep changing people in position and it doesn't work.

Agreed. But holding onto the wrong people doesn't work either.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I guess I'm a glass half full guy. I know it sucks, tell me why it might not be as bad as it currently looks. I am looking for optimism, not the sky is falling.

The glass half full? Gotcha. This may accelerate Mayo’s departure and we might get a good, experienced coach next year. Mike Vrabel?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

You can't jump ship after one year, you need to build stability and give these people a chance to right the ship. Bad teams keep changing people in position and it doesn't work.

But you can jump ship and if this continues for much longer, it’s going to be hard for Kraft not to pull the trigger. This team looks undisciplined. We’re seeing selfish play. We’re seeing players call each other out, which means the captains can’t get ahold of it either.

A rebuild of this magnitude was never going to be successful under Mayo. A guy who had never even been a coordinator was going take over for BB, right the ship, and sail the team back to relevance? It’d be a challenge for many coaches, but let’s give it to the rookie with no track record? It reminds me of what BB did with Patricia, but worse.

Kraft’s ego might force us to suffer through this season with Mayo. And maybe even next (doubt).

 

[Thelonious]

Setting aside Bedard's annoying know-it-all manner, you have to acknowledge that he does know a lot. I don't think his cautionary take is at all unwarranted. Both the roster and the coaching of this team are in a state of failure at this point. I am very much afraid that it may be "the first year of the rebuild" every year for years to come if the Krafts don't reconsider the entire array of recent hires both in coaching and - certainly - in the front office. This team is in trouble. Perhaps we are the new Jets of the league.

 

[Clonamery]

Setting aside Bedard's annoying know-it-all manner, you have to acknowledge that he does know a lot. I don't think his cautionary take is at all unwarranted. Both the roster and the coaching of this team are in a state of failure at this point. I am very much afraid that it may be "the first year of the rebuild" every year for years to come if the Krafts don't reconsider the entire array of recent hires both in coaching and - certainly - in the front office. This team is in trouble. Perhaps we are the new Jets of the league.

You had me listening until

Never ever. Take a few days to understand the error of your ways. The blasphemy.

 

[State]

Perhaps we are the new Jets of the league.

Yep.

Nothing epitomizes this more than drafting a so-called franchise quarterback when the OL is in dire need of talent.

This is putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Clonamery]

Yep.

Nothing epitomizes this more than drafting a so-called franchise quarterback when the OL is in dire need of talent.

This is putting the cart before the horse.

Being the Jets is more than errors of omission. It's fanbase, ownership, lack of player discipline, having your home stadium in another State, etc., ad nauseum. You call yourself a Patriots fan?

 

[Ring 6]

More troubling comments from Mayo

Callahan: Jerod Mayo, Patriots risking dangerous déjà vu

It’s only been four weeks, but the Patriots have already entered the NFL’s danger zone.

www.bostonherald.com

“We knew going into the season we would take our lumps,” Pats coach Jerod Mayo said Wednesday, “and even after the first game when we beat Cincinnati, we understood that this is unsustainable as far as winning that way.”

Now he is saying they expected to suck. I think he not only is obsessed with public CYA , but he isn’t good at it either.

 

[PatsFan2]

More troubling comments from Mayo

Callahan: Jerod Mayo, Patriots risking dangerous déjà vu

It’s only been four weeks, but the Patriots have already entered the NFL’s danger zone.

www.bostonherald.com

“We knew going into the season we would take our lumps,” Pats coach Jerod Mayo said Wednesday, “and even after the first game when we beat Cincinnati, we understood that this is unsustainable as far as winning that way.”

Now he is saying they expected to suck. I think he not only is obsessed with public CYA , but he isn’t good at it either.

Two Times bait and switch Mayo.

 

[Clonamery]

More troubling comments from Mayo

Callahan: Jerod Mayo, Patriots risking dangerous déjà vu

It’s only been four weeks, but the Patriots have already entered the NFL’s danger zone.

www.bostonherald.com

“We knew going into the season we would take our lumps,” Pats coach Jerod Mayo said Wednesday, “and even after the first game when we beat Cincinnati, we understood that this is unsustainable as far as winning that way.”

Now he is saying they expected to suck. I think he not only is obsessed with public CYA , but he isn’t good at it either.

Who is "we?"