Green-Ellis - Why or Why Not?

[CrazyDave]

Wow, this has been quite a read.
I don't know what is more silly, the love for BJGE, or the love for Maroney.
All in all, is Maroney really THAT much better?
I don't think so.
Maroney has done nothing.
I don't know how anyone can deny that.
Kool aid drinkers on both sides I think.
Even worse for Maroney though.

 

[Ring 6]

That makes sense AJ....just don't think that BJGE would be unemployed long.
KC and Denver know what he brings to the table.....not sure how they are set for depth at RB, but BJGE might be an upgrade for one or both as depth.

"Know what he brings to the table"
He isnt a secret he is a borderline NFL player.
Who are KC and Denver going to cut to replace him with?

I cant get over how much fans overrate the bottom of our roster.
People were afraid to cut Adalius Thomas because the Jets would scoop him right up and he would play like an allpro. He is out of work.
Every team has their own BJGE. Our is no more special than theirs.

 

[Ring 6]

Wow, this has been quite a read.
I don't know what is more silly, the love for BJGE, or the love for Maroney.
All in all, is Maroney really THAT much better?
I don't think so.
Maroney has done nothing.
I don't know how anyone can deny that.
Kool aid drinkers on both sides I think.
Even worse for Maroney though.

Just curious. How does being the #1 RB on the highest scoring offense in NFL history qualify as 'doing nothing'?

 

[Deus Irae]

Pretty judgemental there aren't we? Nobody said anything about Maroney. He had 2 TD runs. Comment was that BJGE could have made those same TD's as Maroney given the hole he had......and Maroney probably could have made the TD run that BJGE had given the hole and blocking...

As I said, if it had been Maroney, people would be complaining about the runs. It's the same crap that's been going on for years.

BTW...WHY would Pats bring more intensity to game than NO? They are the defending CHAMPS...

No team brings the same level of intensity to every game, especially in the exhibition season. The Patriots are a team coming off a blowout to end their last season, and having lots of new faces trying to break into the starting lineup. The Saints are the reigning Super Bowl champions who know that they've got a full season with teams being extra amped against them.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that the Patriots had a bit more spring in their step.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Just curious. How does being the #1 RB on the highest scoring offense in NFL history qualify as 'doing nothing'?

How does Trent Dilfer qualify as "doing nothing" on the 2000 Ravens Superbowl Champs team?

 

[CrazyDave]

Just curious. How does being the #1 RB on the highest scoring offense in NFL history qualify as 'doing nothing'?

Well, Kaczur was a starting lineman on that same O, does that make him good?
Brittany Spears sold a lot of records too.
I just don't see the big dropoff from Maroney to BJGE.
Not saying BJGE is the answer, but I'm not sure where all the Maroney love comes from either.
I think he's been a big dissapointment, and will be gone next year.
There are a lot of smart people on this board, I don't know why they kid themselves into thinking Maroney is a satisfactory rb for this team.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow, this has been quite a read.
I don't know what is more silly, the love for BJGE, or the love for Maroney.
All in all, is Maroney really THAT much better?
I don't think so.
Maroney has done nothing.
I don't know how anyone can deny that.
Kool aid drinkers on both sides I think.
Even worse for Maroney though.

I might have missed it, but I've not seen any undue love for Maroney. I have seen people defending him from silly attacks, but that's been about the extent of it.

 

[CrazyDave]

I might have missed it, but I've not seen any undue love for Maroney. I have seen people defending him from silly attacks, but that's been about the extent of it.

Fair enough.
I just don't value Maroney much higher than law firm.
I thought what I saw from law firm the other night was better than what i usually see from Maroney, stats or not.
For the record, I value Morris much higher than most around here I think.

 

[Triumph]

I cannot help if you mistake running style for something else.

HA HA Too funny.

4th and 2 told me, as was reported, that BB had preselected that play for such a situation because he felt it would work. It did, the spot was wrong.

It didnt work.

Faulk bobbled the ball creating doubt when he actually had possession. There was not clear cut evidence that the spot would been changed in NEs favor. I totally agreed with the play call because Im certain that none of the NE RBs would have made the first down.

Depressing that NE could not gain 2 yards on the ground.

3rd or 4th and 2 is not a blatant running down in the NFL. Many teams pass more often than run in those situations. But lets not let facts get in the way of creating a criticism of Maroney.

No, the facts are that the majority of NFL teams (17 teams) ran more on 3rd and short and overall NFL teams had greater success running the ball on 3rd and short than passing.

Inside 3rd Down Run vs. Pass Success - NFL 2009 Offense - Stampede Blue




Yeah, sure.

Time to man up? Are you 9 years old?

I knew you would not answer the question. Typical.

What does that even mean. A .210 hitter only has .090 to go to get to .300

It means BJGE will get the opportunities that Maroney has had in an attempt to match his greatness. 3 YAC to 3.9 YAC is a huge leap.

OK. Got it. The teams uses a preseason game to work on running the ball in the red zone, and that shows they are chaging their style to a power running team.
Its pre-season. Go back and look at what they did in other pre-seasons.

No, you didnt grasp whats going on and are wrong about NEs more physical 2010 mindset.

The Saints saw a more physical team from last year. Read the article again and pay particular attention to what Crumpler is saying.

 

[Triumph]

The level of fail in this post is off the charts.

You bring fail to the Patsfans.Com everyday.

 

[Deus Irae]

You bring fail to the Patsfans.Com everyday.

My response to you regarding this post, on a personal level, would be obvious but unnecessary. The reality is that judging the RB situation based upon starts is the wrong way to go when you're comparing it from within on a team that is so much into substitutions. Or, to put it another way....

Given that Kevin Faulk is listed as having gotten 7 starts last season, pointing to the number of starts Maroney has is an idiotic way to go.

 

[Ring 6]

HA HA Too funny.

Nice comeback

It didnt work.

Faulk bobbled the ball creating doubt when he actually had possession. There was not clear cut evidence that the spot would been changed in NEs favor. I totally agreed with the play call because Im certain that none of the NE RBs would have made the first down.

Bad call

Depressing that NE could not gain 2 yards on the ground.

Actually we dont know what would have happened if they ran.

No, the facts are that the majority of NFL teams (17 teams) ran more on 3rd and short and overall NFL teams had greater success running the ball on 3rd and short than passing.

Inside 3rd Down Run vs. Pass Success - NFL 2009 Offense - Stampede Blue

You are posting 3rd and 1-3 not 3rd or 4th and 2. Team run with 1 yard to go, and pass more often when it is 2 or more.



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No, you didnt grasp whats going on and are wrong about NEs more physical 2010 mindset.

Ths is why there is no point discussing anything with you. Strategy in a preseason game is not an indication of a chage on philosophy.

The Saints saw a more physical team from last year. Read the article again and pay particular attention to what Crumpler is saying.

Last I checked Crumpler isnt writing game plans. I have no doubt that the blockers want to be more physically dominant on running plays. That would go for every team. IT has nothing to do with a change of philosophy.

Look, I'm just going to stop responding here, because I know how this will go.
I substantially diagree with your general outlook and overall opinions.
I will leave you to discuss them with someone else.
You and I discussing football has no chance of being productive.

Go PAtriots!!!!

 

[Ring 6]

Well, Kaczur was a starting lineman on that same O, does that make him good?
Brittany Spears sold a lot of records too.
I just don't see the big dropoff from Maroney to BJGE.
Not saying BJGE is the answer, but I'm not sure where all the Maroney love comes from either.
I think he's been a big dissapointment, and will be gone next year.
There are a lot of smart people on this board, I don't know why they kid themselves into thinking Maroney is a satisfactory rb for this team.

But you said he has DONE NOTHING. He was very effective that season.
He was a very effective tandem with Dillon as a rookie, wasnt he? They split carries and ran for almost 1500 yards IIRC.
He was injured in 2008.
Last year he was the#1 RB on a top 5 offense that won its division.

 

[patsinthesnow]

But you said he has DONE NOTHING. He was very effective that season.
He was a very effective tandem with Dillon as a rookie, wasnt he? They split carries and ran for almost 1500 yards IIRC.
He was injured in 2008.
Last year he was the#1 RB on a top 5 offense that won its division.

So was Addai?

 

[Triumph]

My response to you regarding this post, on a personal level, would be obvious but unnecessary. The reality is that judging the RB situation based upon starts is the wrong way to go when you're comparing it from within on a team that is so much into substitutions. Or, to put it another way....

Given that Kevin Faulk is listed as having gotten 7 starts last season, pointing to the number of starts Maroney has is an idiotic way to go.

Im really not into gibberish, but thanks anyway.

 

[mgteich]

I think that the reality is relatively simple.

A) Green-Ellis will beat out Morris for the #4 RB roster spot, or he won't.

B) Green-Ellis will beat out Williams for a RB/FB/ST roster spot or he won't.

 

[MossWelkowski]

How has this not been a topic. Holt placed on IR by Patriots!

 

[Triumph]

Nice comeback


Bad call


Actually we dont know what would have happened if they ran.




You are posting 3rd and 1-3 not 3rd or 4th and 2. Team run with 1 yard to go, and pass more often when it is 2 or more.



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Ths is why there is no point discussing anything with you. Strategy in a preseason game is not an indication of a chage on philosophy.


Last I checked Crumpler isnt writing game plans. I have no doubt that the blockers want to be more physically dominant on running plays. That would go for every team. IT has nothing to do with a change of philosophy.

Look, I'm just going to stop responding here, because I know how this will go.
I substantially diagree with your general outlook and overall opinions.
I will leave you to discuss them with someone else.
You and I discussing football has no chance of being productive.

Go PAtriots!!!!

Its best that you take your toys and go home.

When some fans are so out of touch that they think they know more than the players and coaching staff its a no win situation. They are always right and if you dont believe that just ask them.

 

[Deus Irae]

Im really not into gibberish....

Given the general flow of your posts, that is obviously not true.

And, as I noted, Faulk was credited with 7 starts last year, although he's not the team's "starting" rb. Your argument was a poor one.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Given the general flow of your posts, that is obviously not true.

And, as I noted, Faulk was credited with 7 starts last year, although he's not the team's "starting" rb. Your argument was a poor one.

Unstoppable. Remarkable. Arugula.