Gilmore traded to Carolina

[venecol]

Can someone explain how this affects this year’s cap space? How would we not have had room for Gilmore? Just because we didn’t have room for him to play on a bigger extension that he wanted to sign before returning? But on his current deal, would we have had to release or restructure guys for Gilmore to play for us this year?

Yes, but Bill thinks players will take home town discounts just to play for him. That's in the past. A different era.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That's the rub. Does he want the money or a chance for a ring this year? I am sure Brady is talking to him now. lol

It sounds like he wants the money...he already has a ring with brady

 

[Nunchucks]

I wanted to keep him, I dont understand releasing him. No comp pick?

 

[IllegalContact]

I see the Covid thread has slowed down again. The 20/20 hindsight thing would be an outstanding counter argument… except I was saying in 2020 that they should have traded him. Argued with Andy about it when it came to the debate about tanking the season. I also said it multiple times before this season in the lead-up to the draft. It’s understandable that you probably missed it since you don’t put in a whole lot of time up here anymore.

I doubt they would have gotten value that would have moved any needles........but hey, don't try to distract from the topic or anything

 

[Bill Lee]

If we net a decent right tackle or how about Jaylon Smith or a receiver who can get separation or Marlon Mack this is a win.

Grabbing Jaylon Smith now gives me bad memories of Mo Sanu...

Cowboys released him for a reason, he could not break into the starting lineup.

I think his injury history has caught up with him, or he has some other unknown issue.

BSPN sez:

The Cowboys’ decision to release Smith can be viewed as a surprise because of what he was -- a 100-plus-tackle-a-year linebacker with a Pro Bowl on his résumé and a contract that averaged $11.4 million a year -- not what he is now, which is a backup linebacker who can struggle in coverage and does not run as well as he used to.

And after all the time the Cowboys media machine spent hyping him, the whispers are now that he was more interested in managing the $35M in guarantees the Cowboys gave him than in playing football. I guess that's what happens when you have had a massive injury that almost took your career away.

Link: Dallas Cowboys' decision to cut Jaylon Smith about not stopping progress

 

[Ring 6]

I think it's more about cash than cap here. There would have been plenty of ways to pay him more while keeping his 2021 cap hit the same or even lowering it, but it also needs to make sense to pay a guy that amount of money at all, regardless of which years the cap hit comes in.

How would you lower the 2021 cap hit? Since we are in the middle of the season can you actually convert salary to singing bonus on an extension?

 

[RIpats88]

The fact they didn't even try to trade him for even a 5th round pick is unfathomable to me.

 

[venecol]

Yeah I couldn't agree more The guy looks completely cooked. On top of that Mac was throwing towards him quite a bit which tells you something.

Maybe Tampa can't sign him. I am just an NBA fan and I am so used to guys getting cut then jumping on to super teams lol

Sherman led the team in tackles that game. Not too bad for a guy coming off his couch 5 days prior.

 

[Since1960]

“We’ll see (if I’m ready for camp); if I need to be. But I don’t want to push it”. Sounds like a player who had NO intention of “pushing it” until the Pats “paid for it”. So rather than continuing to collect his $7.0M while staying on “PUP”, Bill decided on “addition by subtraction” - the Cap savings are worth more than letting this Soap Opera play out….

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Sherman led the team in tackles that game. Not too bad for a guy coming off his couch 5 days prior.

Well, that's what's going to happen if you are picked on by the QB...

 

[Sicilian]

The fact they didn't even try to trade him for even a 5th round pick is unfathomable to me.

I'm 99% sure they did, and got no takers.

 

[slash83]

Sherman led the team in tackles that game. Not too bad for a guy coming off his couch 5 days prior.

Okay not sure if a corner leading the team in tackles is a good thing.

 

[sb1]

Do the Pats even get any comp picks next year after the spending spree this past offseason?

 

[ashley]

The fact they didn't even try to trade him for even a 5th round pick is unfathomable to me.

I guess you haven't been keeping up with this thread

 

[IllegalContact]

I wanted to keep him, I dont understand releasing him. No comp pick?

they thought they needed him more than they do.

 

[Rob0729]

That's the rub. Does he want the money or a chance for a ring this year? I am sure Brady is talking to him now. lol

I am guessing it will be the money over the ring. Older players who already have a ring, are more likely to go for maximizing their dollars rather than the ring. Especially since him going to Tampa doesn't guarantee him a ring anyway. And there is a chance that KC and Green Bay could go after him too and they are Super Bowl contenders and potentially better scheme fits.

I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[venecol]

Those numbers don't look correct.

@Miguel ??

 

[archstanton543]

The fact they didn't even try to trade him for even a 5th round pick is unfathomable to me.

By all accounts they did try to trade him before releasing him.

 

[masterbouncer]

as long as he does not end up with the Chiefs...

 

[Bill Lee]

I wanted to keep him, I dont understand releasing him. No comp pick?

I think the Pats wanted to keep him, but at the rate he signed for, not for a big new contract that he wanted without working out first.

The fact that no one offered up anything for him suggests that still wants that big contract and won't sign for less, and other teams didn't want that contract AND give us draft capital as well.

Comp pick is based on a formula, who you gain minus who you lose, so probably not, unless we lose a lot of players and don't sign replacements.