MrBigglesWorth
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If his rebuild “bombed spectacularly” then surely you can give me a whole bunch of other rebuilds where dominant franchises fell back had to rebuild and did better in 3 years. I’ll wait for the list.
So long, and thanks for all the fish?OK, here's my Hot Take. We'll see how well it ages soon enough.
I think way too much is being read into the morning after press conference, going both ways. He didn't commit to giving up the GM duties in return for keeping his job, or anything remotely like that. He committed to absolutely nothing but a general willingness to work with everybody to make the team work better, which can mean literally anything, or nothing. Conversely, there was no "shot across the bow" other than him making it clear that he wants to keep his job, which isn't exactly a shocker. "If you want to fire me, fire me, but I'm not pretending I was actually quitting anyway" isn't some crazy stance for him to take.
I don't expect Belichick to stay on with diminished responsibility. He might promise to clean house around him on a bigger scale, bring in new personnel guys and build a bigger/better coaching staff, but ultimately he's either going to be at the top of the football pyramid, or he's leaving. People are understating what a major sea-change it would represent for a guy who became the GOAT coach precisely by being an all-controlling Emperor Napoleon of football to stop and say, "Actually, I need to divest myself of the draft and free agency and offensive staff decisions because I can't cut it anymore in multiple facets of being a head of football ops." I can see him doing that after leaving and taking a year or two off and reflecting on Life, the Universe and Everything, but not now.
Why would you worry about that? If they went to camp and through preseason with Jones showing to be the best short-term starter while the draftee sits and learns, why would that be a problem?
Because I watched him play this year. I would prefer they go find a vet as a short-term starter rather than Mac.
No Andy, youre insulting everyone heres intellgence. I gave multiple things he could be doing, whatever and however much he wants to do. That is not "stop in a couple times a month" its just taking him out of having final say in the decision making process because like it or not he is 72, his latest rebuild bombed spectacularly, and while i agree the media blows things out of proportion how many stories of extreme coaching disfunction do you need to read to believe something isnt right in foxboro? All good things end, and its Belichicks time
First off understand, i love BB, i have always been team Bill and gave him a 60% share in the Bill versus Tom debate. A position that is getting harder and harder to defend. I thought the patriots without Brady would be one.of those teams that was at least 9-8 and in the playoff conversation year in and year out. No BB coached team would ever bottom out and be one of the worst teams in the league cuz hes the GOAT.
and that’s why the popular upset needs to be taken with a big grain of salt. If it’s not unusual for owners to be involved why is there no upset focused on Kraft? Why is it all on Bill? Might it be that Kraft and not Bill is the problem?
So your answer to me questioning your idea is flawed because belichick would never accept that is “you don’t give a crap” about that.
People watch TV. Collaboration does not make for good TV.
Don’t people live real lives and have real jobs where they interact with other humans and work within an organization and hierarchy?
Cuz andy said so. As usual
Because that's what his recent performance warrants.
Do you disagree? Do you honestly think belichick after running the organization for 25 years will have all of his authority stripped from him and then take a role with zero responsibility or authority and stay working under the guy who just told him to go f himself?
Plenty of other teams would hire him as HC.
For better or worse I think you are right….i think krafts are figuring out that they are going to have to pay Belichick either way so they are probably negotiating to hire GM and have them and scouts be more in charge of the draft and FA with some input obviously from BB….i also expect them to bring back Josh. They need to fire Achord and judge and hire slater as ST coach
A similar result, that is a 3-, 4-, or 5-win season, might be preferable to a situation where the team raised its record to something like 8-9. Then there would be pressure to keep Belichick - and Mac - because of the "improvement" over the 2023 disaster. This past season, following three years of mediocrity, provides a strong case for cleaning house. If Kraft does not, it's a failure of will.I could actually see that too. As some time/separation passes in Jan, and depending on the OC - they could talk themselves back into allowing Mac to be the bridge. That's such a scary thought.
Everything is shaping up for a literal "run it back" - with a very similar result next season.
Didn't the Pats give up a pick to get Belichick even though he had resigned from the Jets? How is this situation different?
The difference is the Jets expected Belichick to be their head coach and wanted him initially. The Patriots in this case would be moving on from Bill and would likely not want him on the team.
