Garoppolo Trade Talks to Heat Up This Week

[Ring 6]

Bold prediction maybe, but it seems to make sense.

If picks 1-3 are off the table and CLE is offering #12, why shouldn't the Jags offer #4? Who is there at #4 that could potentially make more of a difference to that franchise than Jimmy G?

They have the QB that was drafted #1 in Garappolo class who threw for 4400 yards and 35 TDs the year before last on a crap team.
They have many, many greater needs than QB.

 

[Brit patriot]

I thought it was clear when I listed numerous things many have said that I wasn't referring only to you.

But you did say he has proven he can win games, which really is a monumental stretch.


The thing is that he is still an unproven commodity. A game and a half doesn't change that no matter how many fans want to change their 'we are screwed we will be lucky to go 1-3' to 'damn Jimmy is a franchise QB' based upon 4 ok quarters and 2 very good ones. Lets not forget guys like Matt Flynn and Kevin Kolb.

Personally, I think there are factors on both sides in evaluating him.

PLUS
He did look good in limited exposure.
He appears to have no major flaw.
He needed to learn a complex offense.
He got a ton of camp reps this year, which is hidden experience.

MINUS
He is still the same guy who was drafted in round 2, and almost the 3rd. (While people like to lambast QB choices as meaning no one has a clue because firsts are missed, there are few that do not go in the first that amount to much)
He has sat idle for most of 3 years
Durability, decision making and clutch play, which are the 3 most important things about a QB are unknown because the sample size is so minute

I think teams will be more focused on the minuses, but its the NFL and there is always a great chance that teams see a player as gotta have, can't miss, and must break the bank for.

I think a QB starved team could easily justified 2-3 picks in the 2nd-4th round range.
I think its possible that a crazed GM could offer a 1st, maybe even as high as 12.

If I'm BB I take the most I can get, and then trade it around to maximize the value.

Don't disagree with any of that. I just feel that in a league where everyone is panicking to get a QB, and Brock just committed Grand Larceny (is that what you call it over there?) they will concentrate on the plusses

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

They have the QB that was drafted #1 in Garappolo class who threw for 4400 yards and 35 TDs the year before last on a crap team.
They have many, many greater needs than QB.

I bet they wish they could take that one back. Bortles is terrible. His stats are inflated due to garbage time numbers.

He led the league in INT's in 2015 and he won 3 games last year despite playing in the crappiest division in football.

 

[Ring 6]

Don't disagree with any of that. I just feel that in a league where everyone is panicking to get a QB, and Brock just committed Grand Larceny (is that what you call it over there?) they will concentrate on the plusses

See I think fans think teams panic over QBs but I don't think teams actually do.
I think they see the value if QB rightfully being higher than any other position, so they draft them higher, but I don't see many teams panicking to take a shot at someone they don't believe in (although I do see some bad QB evaluating going on)

I think fans on this board look at some high draft choices at QB and scoff that its not a good idea. So they decide that Jimmy is the anti-draft pick, when all he really is, is a guy you could have drafted 3 years ago, didn't and he played a game and a half for the Patriots.

 

[Ring 6]

I bet they wish they could take that one back. Bortles is terrible. His stats are inflated due to garbage time numbers.

Everyone stats include garbage time numbers, especially on bad teams. You don't throw for 4400 yards and 35 Tds if you are terrible.

And the garbage time assumption is wrong.
They had 2 games in 2015 where they lost by more than 2 scores.

 

[The Gr8est]

See I think fans think teams panic over QBs but I don't think teams actually do.
I think they see the value if QB rightfully being higher than any other position, so they draft them higher, but I don't see many teams panicking to take a shot at someone they don't believe in (although I do see some bad QB evaluating going on)

I think fans on this board look at some high draft choices at QB and scoff that its not a good idea. So they decide that Jimmy is the anti-draft pick, when all he really is, is a guy you could have drafted 3 years ago, didn't and he played a game and a half for the Patriots.

One of the main reasons that Jimmy lasted as long as he did was because of questions about level of competition at Eastern Illinois. I think he has largely grown to where that is not a concern.

 

[Ring 6]

One of the main reasons that Jimmy lasted as long as he did was because of questions about level of competition at Eastern Illinois. I think he has largely grown to where that is not a concern.

In 6 quarters?
I mean seriously, do you think a decent game vs Arizona and a very good half vs Miami answers all the questions anyone ever had about him?
I know we want to believe we can get a kings ransom, but lets be realistic about the lack of experience.

 

[pazrul72]

In 6 quarters?
I mean seriously, do you think a decent game vs Arizona and a very good half vs Miami answers all the questions anyone ever had about him?
I know we want to believe we can get a kings ransom, but lets be realistic about the lack of experience.

You're forgetting the 3 years of going against the pats defense in practice. Yeah nothing is every gonna be the same as live experience but that's surely better then ANYTHING he saw at E. Illinois. Listen to the patriot defenders who faced him everyday, they all rave about him. He has the skills and showed me enough that I believe he will be a top 10 QB.

 

[Love The Drake]

Browns are supposedly offering the 12th and Haden for Grap

 

[Love The Drake]

Thats tempting Even though im in the keep him bracket

 

[Ring 6]

You're forgetting the 3 years of going against the pats defense in practice. Yeah nothing is every gonna be the same as live experience but that's surely better then ANYTHING he saw at E. Illinois. Listen to the patriot defenders who faced him everyday, they all rave about him. He has the skills and showed me enough that I believe he will be a top 10 QB.

Every backup QB runs the scout team. That doesn't separate him at all.

Its great that you feel so highly about him, but you have to recognize its a just a feeling, and there is nowhere near enough playing time to support it, right?

 

[pazrul72]

Every backup QB runs the scout team. That doesn't separate him at all.

Its great that you feel so highly about him, but you have to recognize its a just a feeling, and there is nowhere near enough playing time to support it, right?

No I don't see lack of playing time as an issue. To me it's the kind of throws and reads Grop made in live, bullets flying, action. That 3rd and 14 to amendola was as hard a pass as you will find in the NFL. Obviously one pass is not a career but from everything I hear and everything I read it's the kind of thing he can do on the regular.

I am not a GM, I don't watch every practice or break down film so I could be wrong due to lack of information. We all could but based on what I have seen if I was a GM the only concern I have about Grop is learning to fall right because you are useless to me on IR. Number one quality I want in my QB, leadership. His team mates rave about him and clearly love him in the locker room. Just watch the videos after the game, that has to be genuine there was too much for it to be fake. It's why you would have to pay me to have Cutler on my team, dude has no support among the troops.

Poise, accuracy, smart good decisions he checks all the boxes. On top of that if I was Chicago hometown kid with a million gigawatt smile that could bring real hope to my franchise. I would part with #3 and never think twice of it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Browns are supposedly offering the 12th and Haden for Grap

Link?

 

[Marqui]

Browns are supposedly offering the 12th and Haden for Grap

Care to source?

 

[rochrist]

There is zero tangible evidence that JG is anything close to a great QB. Maybe he will someday but he "is a great QB?"... no. And he's not worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Tom Brady so not sure why they are being compared.

There's plenty of tangible evidence.

 

[Keyser Söze]

I wanted Haden at the deadline bad. I would love him on the other side of Butler. If it's even true I would hope they would consider it.

 

[sb1]

There's plenty of tangible evidence.

That he has upside...yes.

That he is a great QB right now... no.

 

[sb1]

Browns are supposedly offering the 12th and Haden for Grap

Source?

 

[sb1]

In 6 quarters?
I mean seriously, do you think a decent game vs Arizona and a very good half vs Miami answers all the questions anyone ever had about him?
I know we want to believe we can get a kings ransom, but lets be realistic about the lack of experience.

I also think the rave reviews he got were a little overblown. Much higher than expectations for sure but he showed very little indication in those 6 quarters that he is a future superstar.

Hey if a team buys into the hype and wants to give us their first round pick for that then by all means be my guest. I would hope that if it was the Pats in that position they would be smarter than that.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Everyone stats include garbage time numbers, especially on bad teams. You don't throw for 4400 yards and 35 Tds if you are terrible.

And the garbage time assumption is wrong.
They had 2 games in 2015 where they lost by more than 2 scores.

That's great for a fantasy football team! In a real game, he looks like he has a worse wind up than Tebow and he throws bigger ducks than Manning ever did.

Look at the game in October against the Titans when Jax was down 27-0 at halftime. Titans just gave Bortles the short pass to eat clock and his stat line wound up looking great.

You glossed over the INT's and his dismal 3-13 record last year. Word on the street is he spends too much time partying in the panhandle and not enough time on working on getting better. I think everyone in Jax involved in drafting him is gone now and Coughlin wants him shipped out.

On paper, Jax doesn't look like that bad a team. A good QB could easily turn their fortunes around, especially in that division.