Garoppolo Trade Talks to Heat Up This Week

[patsinthesnow]

@ChiSportUpdates #Bears are prepared to engage in talks on Jimmy Garoppolo at the combine later this month. ( Via @JasonLaCanfora)

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Say no BB

 

[Ivan]

Say no BB

You don't even know what the offer would be. If the Bears offer the # 3 overall you take it immediately.

 

[Marqui]

You don't even know what the offer would be. If the Bears offer the # 3 overall you take it immediately.

Exactly. Some really crazy obsession around here over a guy that hasn't gotten through 2 games in the NFL.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Expectations are so high right now.


Now if the Patriots "only" get the 12th pick, people will still be outraged about how it wasn't enough. I can only imagine what the reaction may be if Belichick trades JG for something like a 2nd rounder in each of 2017 and 2018.

 

[Ross12]

Seems like the Bears really want him, but I think Cleveland does too. All it takes is two teams to start a bidding war.

 

[The Gr8est]

I keep hearing suggestions that the Browns, 49ers, or Bears could trade down to the mid-1st round and pick up some extra picks before trading the 1st to the Pats for Jimmy.

That's a nice plan, as long as you know that your competition isn't willing to trade their original pick for him.

 

[Nehalem]

Exactly. Some really crazy obsession around here over a guy that hasn't gotten through 2 games in the NFL.

Looking at what the Redskins gave up to get RG3, a guy who had never played in the NFL, the #12 pick seems like very little.

And its really a perfectly fair reasonable comparison. By offering a 1st rounder for JG you are saying he is a franchise QB. So if you think JG is a franchise QB pay the franchise QB rate established by the Redskins for RG3 trade

 

[mike_usagisan]

Looking at what the Redskins gave up to get RG3, a guy who had never played in the NFL, the #12 pick seems like very little.

And its really a perfectly fair reasonable comparison. By offering a 1st rounder for JG you are saying he is a franchise QB. So if you think JG is a franchise QB pay the franchise QB rate established by the Redskins for RG3 trade

I don't necessarily agree, but from reading Cleveland and Chicago's boards, it seems like the argument against trading for JG is that you're giving up the draft pick but not getting the benefit of several years of a cap-friendly contract. I also think the fan bases are worried about another backup fizzling out or that if he was so good, why wasn't he drafted higher originally.

 

[Ivan]

Expectations are so high right now.


Now if the Patriots "only" get the 12th pick, people will still be outraged about how it wasn't enough. I can only imagine what the reaction may be if Belichick trades JG for something like a 2nd rounder in each of 2017 and 2018.

I'm all for trading a Garrapolo but only if they get a first as part of the deal. They can keep him another season and still get a 3rd as compensation so 2nd round picks make no sense to me.

 

[IllegalContact]

You don't even know what the offer would be. If the Bears offer the # 3 overall you take it immediately.

he's actually worth more than that

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I'm all for trading a Garrapolo but only if they get a first as part of the deal. They can keep him another season and still get a 3rd as compensation so 2nd round picks make no sense to me.

That assumes 1) Jimmy signs a deal that's high enough to reach the threshold - generally top 5% contract in the NFL for someone with 2 career starts, 2) The Patriots don't sign any offsetting free agents that offseason. Also remember that the compensatory pick wouldn't be until the 2019 draft.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Seems like the Bears really want him, but I think Cleveland does too. All it takes is two teams to start a bidding war.

This will result in cleveland forking over the 1st overall pick.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Exactly. Some really crazy obsession around here over a guy that hasn't gotten through 2 games in the NFL.

Not to be facetious, but in 2007 the Pats had Asante Samuel on the franchise tag. They could have traded him for picks, but they decided that the value of Samuel on the team in 2007 + the comp pick outweighed whatever they could get for him via trade.

It's at least possible that they view keeping Garoppolo similarly.

 

[Nehalem]

I don't necessarily agree, but from reading Cleveland and Chicago's boards, it seems like the argument against trading for JG is that you're giving up the draft pick but not getting the benefit of several years of a cap-friendly contract. I also think the fan bases are worried about another backup fizzling out or that if he was so good, why wasn't he drafted higher originally.

RG3 was a #2 pick. Last year Carson Wentz was drafted at #2 and got a 4 year 26.67m contract, fully guaranteed.

JG costs less than $1m next year. Sure if he works out you probably have to pay him ~$20m/yr, but you have an essentially free year to test drive him.

If he does work out you are paying around slightly more thantwice as much as for #2 pick.

So you really don't save as much as you might think going with a rookie. And especially given the state of this years QB draft crop, JG is almost certainly going to outperform a rookie for at least the first year of his contract. And so the overall value of JG, even accounting for his higher price, is likely to be higher over the next 4 years.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Makes sense for the Bears to trade for him now. Before free agency. Only counts 1.1m towards your 2017 cap and you can still hit free agency. I love the idiots on ESPN and NFL Network talking about how much money he costs the team acquiring him. He makes less than what the pick they give up will cost them. You can sign him to an extension during the season, or tag him after the year.

I'm still thinking the 3 from Chicago. And, the board will hate whom we pick there. Soloman Thomas - DL - Stanford. 3down player

 

[Marqui]

Not to be facetious, but in 2007 the Pats had Asante Samuel on the franchise tag. They could have traded him for picks, but they decided that the value of Samuel on the team in 2007 + the comp pick outweighed whatever they could get for him via trade.

It's at least possible that they view keeping Garoppolo similarly.

The massive difference is the Pats already have an all time great player at the QB position whereas they had nothing back then behind Samuel at CB which there are 2-3 spots to employ. Not comparable scenarios at all.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Wait, What, the Pats are looking into trading Aladdin?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm all for trading a Garrapolo but only if they get a first as part of the deal. They can keep him another season and still get a 3rd as compensation so 2nd round picks make no sense to me.

There is no guarantee at all of that. That's the BEST they could get.
Comp picks are based on your NET loss or gain from FA. There is also a limit of 32.

So it isn't the top 32 guys signed, its the top 32 equations of losses-signings that get comp picks.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Makes sense for the Bears to trade for him now. Before free agency. Only counts 1.1m towards your 2017 cap and you can still hit free agency. I love the idiots on ESPN and NFL Network talking about how much money he costs the team acquiring him. He makes less than what the pick they give up will cost them. You can sign him to an extension during the season, or tag him after the year.

I'm still thinking the 3 from Chicago. And, the board will hate whom we pick there. Soloman Thomas - DL - Stanford. 3down player

Thomas is my #1 player in the draft. He might be the most disruptive player I've ever watched. After the combine he'll be considered one of the best athletes in the NFL & he's incredibly versatile. He can play 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, 4-3 DT, and even some 3-4 NT/3-4 OLB. He's my dream with the Jimmy G trade.