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First Guess at the 2006 Starting Lineup

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PATRIOTS-80 said:
My hunch is that if Beisel can pack on the weight, he'll do better than he did last year. He really didn't do that bad in the Jaguar game at the end of the year.
Did you really watch his play in slo-mo or is that just an impression ?? ??
 
arrellbee said:
Probably the best way for us to assess Beisel is to look at the last games of last year in slo-mo where he got a significant number of reps - so that was after a whole season of coaching and Belichick practices and game reps.

He made one decent play. When Willie got sealed inside on an outside run around the offensive right side, Beisel slid over from his inside spot and made the tackle after a gain of 4 yards. Since there was no block to interfere with Beisel's movement, my suspicion is that Ted J or Tedy would have slid over and stopped the run for little gain or even a loss. Just my impression.

On the first play that Beisel was in he was late getting to a gang tackle on the defensive right side - but he threw his hands up in celebration.

On the couple times when a blocker got into the backfield and took on Beisel, he was basically blocked back 5 yards out of the play and just stopped without even trying to shed off of the block and or even head toward the runner..

On one play on a run around the left side of the O-line, Beisel got to the runner as Colvin hooked around behind the end and caught the runner by the foot. As the runner is stretching out to get an extra yard, Beisel actually stands up straight and HOPS behind the runner in order to avoid contact. I've never seen anything so ridiculous even in Pop Warner football.

On one play where Beisel moved on the snap up behind Wilfork, the runner hit the gap right beside Wilfork. Beisel not only did not ram sideways and tackle, he just stood there as the runner went thru the gap and was finally brought down after a couple yards. Beisel never even tried to tackle the runner at any time.

On a goal line stand, the runner hit the line just to the right side of Beisel. Not only didn't he ram over to hit the runner (he had a chancer to force the guy sideways short of the goal line), he actually moved parallel to the runner while the runner crossed the goal line. I'm hard put to remember a greater dud of a non-effort. There was another play almost exactly the same in the middle of the field on another drive.

I slo-mo'd all of his plays in that game and other than the one tackle I mentioned first, he was an absolute bust as far as any contribution.

I can't imagine, after a season of coaching and practices, that if he was so fundamentally opposite to what a linebacker is all about (much less a Belichick one), that any additional amount of time could ever get him even close to being even a marginal linebacker.


As far as your quote, "on the couple times when a blocker got into the backfield and took on Beisel, he was basically blocked back 5 yards out of the play and just stopped without even trying to shed off of the block and or even head toward the runner.." What could be attributed to lack of effort, could also easily be attributed to being underweight. Beisel is 238 lbs. Vrabel is 266 lbs. Furthermore, Beisel has no vet savvy because it is his first year in the system. It is a hard system to pick up, as Chad Brown clearly said.

My "hunch" is that if Beisel can pack on 15 more lbs, he will slightly improve and be a decent reserve ILB. If he doesn't pack on the weight, there is no way he will make it in this system. So, to answer your question, that is my hunch, guess or impression. My guess is that Beisel plays special teams, and is the third ILB. I also guess from your reference that he is "an absolute bust" that you probably have a friendly disagreement of opinion with me concerning Beisel.
 
PATRIOTS-80 said:
I also guess from your reference that he is "an absolute bust" that you probably have a friendly disagreement of opinion with me concerning Beisel.
..... ...... yes
Actually, I would be very pleased to be wrong. We could certainly use another capable linebacker. The only real assessment in the end will be Belichick's as to whether he keeps him or not. If, for some reason, the Pats get some more solid free agent LBs and draft LB(s), even getting cut might not be a total indication - might just be that he was odd man out.

Hard to wait for training camp, preseason, and final cuts.

Hope it turns out to be a better free agent year than last year.
 
Armen Da Pats Fan said:
Assuming no draftees crack the starting lineup, here is my first guess at the 2006 starting lineup:

QB: Tom Brady
FB: Heath Evans
RB: Corey Dillon
LT: Matt Light
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Dan Koppen
RG: Stephen Neal
RT: Nick Kazcur
WR: Deion Branch
WR: Reche Caldwell
TE: Ben Watson

DE: Richard Seymour
DT: Vince Wilfork
DT: Ty Warren
DE Jarvis Green
LB: Mike Vrabel
LB: Tedy Bruschi
LB: Rosy Colvin
CB: Asante Samuel
CB: Eric Warfield
S: Rodney Harrison
S: Eugene Wilson

K: Mafata Shimeo
P: Josh Miller
LS: Lonnie Paxton


Yes, I had to go 4-3 because we just don't have the linebackers (TBC, Ryan Claridge?)...

But, other than LB, we look pretty damn good, IMO...

I am looking forward to this season and the fire in Brady & Bruschi's bellies after the Denver debacle to close out '05!

ADPF

Harrison and Koppen may not be ready by opening day, may even be on PUP.

Evans won't start over Pass.

Hobbs is one CB...end of story.

The starting WR opposite Branch isn't on the team as yet.
 
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My guess -

QB: Tom Brady
FB: Ben Watson
RB: Corey Dillon
LT: Matt Light
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Dan Koppen
RG: Stephen Neal
RT: Nick Kazcur
WR: Deion Branch
WR: Bam Childress
TE: Daniel Graham

DE: Richard Seymour
DT: Vince Wilfork
DE: Ty Warren
OLB: Mike Vrabel
ILB: Monty Beisel
ILB: Tedy Bruschi
OLB: Rosy Colvin
CB: Asante Samuel
CB: Eric Warfield
S: Rodney Harrison
S: Eugene Wilson

K: Paul Edinger
P: Josh Miller
LS: Lonnie Paxton
 
My Guess, without rookies
BTW, a 43 would hurt about 5 players productivity. It's not happening.

QB: Brady
FB: Pass (or Watson as 2nd TE instead)
RB: Corey Dillon
LT: Kazcur
LG: Mankins
C: Koppen (if he's ready, else Hochstein)
RG: Neal
RT: Light
WR: Branch
WR: Caldwell
TE: Graham (he is a clear starter)

DE: Seymour
NT: Wilfork
DE: Warren
LB: Banta-Cain (I think we will start a rookie, if we don't trade)
LB: Vrabel (he is the captain)
LB: Bruschi
LB: Colvin
CB: Samuel
CB: Warfield
S: Hawkins (Harrison is very unlikely to be ready)
S: Wilson

K: ????
P: Josh Miller
LS: Lonnie Paxton


Yes, I had to go 4-3 because we just don't have the linebackers (TBC, Ryan Claridge?)...

But, other than LB, we look pretty damn good, IMO...

I am looking forward to this season and the fire in Brady & Bruschi's bellies after the Denver debacle to close out '05!

ADPF[/QUOTE]
 
Armen Da Pats Fan said:
I like the way offense feels when Evans is on the field...

He's got good hands and he can be a change-up back with Dillon in there as a backup...

Pass just kind of leaves me bland...

I know he's done some nice work for us in the past, he just doesn't get me excited!

I wouldn't be surprised to see Graham or Watson back there...just to get them both on the field at once...

I think this would be the most potent lineup for the pats having Watson and Graham in place of a full back.
Much more versatility this way as they can be effective run blockers as well as be playmakers.
 
In theory this shouldn't be true. The fullback should be an effective blocker and a receiver, the same as a tight end. Watson of course is more of a downfield threat than Pass.

363839 said:
I think this would be the most potent lineup for the pats having Watson and Graham in place of a full back.
Much more versatility this way as they can be effective run blockers as well as be playmakers.
 
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