Fear of Maye getting hurt is a dumb reason to not give him snaps

[gobesmug]

Are you honestly telling me Warner never improved with experience? Come on.

The fact that some good players sat doesn’t mean they were good players because they sat.

We are in a unique situation where even if Maye isn’t ready to play we have nothing to lose by getting him through the growing pains and getting him experience. We haven’t even tried to build a team that can win.

So if one guy did it once that’s proof everyone can? Bizarre take

No it proves sitting did nothing to prevent Kurt Warner having his best season ever as a pro his first year playing. He threw for 41 TDs, his offense got something which is extremely rare, a nickname as the Greastest Show on Turf, he won the MVP and Won the superbowl.

There is no improving on what is one of the greatest seasons ever by a QB.

What could hurt Maye is that in practice he can work out any bad habits he picked up in college. He can work on his footwork and learn how to read through his progressions.

In practice he doesn't have that stress of needing to win, he only needs to focus on improving his mechanics and understanding of playing in pro style offense.

If he is thrown out onto the field, he will feel the pressure of needing to win. In that case he might ditch the mechanics he is still working on and go back to what worked in college and thus never progress.

In practice is where he is going to make the most progress. Just ask Ryan Leaf who thought he only needed to show up for GameDay how that worked out for him.

 

[KCSVEN]

But it's already been proven true that waiting a year does nothing to hurt a QB.

It has been proven that playing top draft choices on bad teams leads to better success that first year for those QB's.
Also proven that sitting these top picks have no actual benefit.

There is ZERO analytical evidence suggesting sitting is not harmful. The Chiefs maybe lost a Super Bowel by sitting Mahomes, how is that NOT Harmful?

We have evidence that the games play matter way more than sitting, Jordan Love sat 3 years but still took 8 games played last year to start playing at a higher level, Stroud admitted it took him many games to learn what he needed, Brady had 4 interception game a few weeks after he started. No matter who you are you need to play to learn from your mistakes, would you rather do that the first 8 games of 2025 or do it now?

It's really all a dumb argument because Maye is FAR AND AWAY the best QB on the roster TODAY, how everyone just does not already know that is kind of insane.

 

[Ring 6]

No it proves sitting did nothing to prevent Kurt Warner having his best season ever as a pro his first year playing. He threw for 41 TDs, his offense got something which is extremely rare, a nickname as the Greastest Show on Turf, he won the MVP and Won the superbowl.

There is no improving on what is one of the greatest seasons ever by a QB.

What could hurt Maye is that in practice he can work out any bad habits he picked up in college. He can work on his footwork and learn how to read through his progressions.

In practice he doesn't have that stress of needing to win, he only needs to focus on improving his mechanics and understanding of playing in pro style offense.

If he is thrown out onto the field, he will feel the pressure of needing to win. In that case he might ditch the mechanics he is still working on and go back to what worked in college and thus never progress.

In practice is where he is going to make the most progress. Just ask Ryan Leaf who thought he only needed to show up for GameDay how that worked out for him.

Kurt Warner improved with experience. Everyone does

Maye will practice whether he is starter or backup. As starter he will have total focus of the qb coach and OC. As backup he will run the scout team.

If playing causes him to ditch hours mechanics (which is silly by the way) he would do that next year if he did this year.

If not playing football was the best way for football players to get better why doesn’t every rookie just sit out a season?

 

[gobesmug]

It has been proven that playing top draft choices on bad teams leads to better success that first year for those QB's.
Also proven that sitting these top picks have no actual benefit.

There is ZERO analytical evidence suggesting sitting is not harmful. The Chiefs maybe lost a Super Bowel by sitting Mahomes, how is that NOT Harmful?

We have evidence that the games play matter way more than sitting, Jordan Love sat 3 years but still took 8 games played last year to start playing at a higher level, Stroud admitted it took him many games to learn what he needed, Brady had 4 interception game a few weeks after he started. No matter who you are you need to play to learn from your mistakes, would you rather do that the first 8 games of 2025 or do it now?

It's really all a dumb argument because Maye is FAR AND AWAY the best QB on the roster TODAY, how everyone just does not already know that is kind of insane.

How much better could Warner have done beyond winning the MVP and Superbowl his first year? Again it's proven sitting does nothing to hurt.

It didn't hurt Joe Montana, Tom Brady or Mahomes. You know the 3 GOATs.

And again, as proven in Warner's case, sitting this year won't prevent Maye from winning the superbowl and MVP next season.

 

[gobesmug]

Kurt Warner improved with experience. Everyone does

Maye will practice whether he is starter or backup. As starter he will have total focus of the qb coach and OC. As backup he will run the scout team.

If playing causes him to ditch hours mechanics (which is silly by the way) he would do that next year if he did this year.

If not playing football was the best way for football players to get better why doesn’t every rookie just sit out a season?

Maybe some should sit, it certainly helped Brady, Mahomes, Montana, and Unitus before they went on to become GOATs.

 

[Ring 6]

Maybe some should sit, it certainly helped Brady, Mahomes, Montana, and Unitus before they went on to become GOATs.

No, it occurred for those players. There is no evidence it helped them more than playing would have, in fact it’s unreasonable to think they wouldn’t have progressed even more and faster by getting experience.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I’m all for getting the most reps for Maye. What truly matters though is game time and practice doesn’t equal game time. Sitting him because they’re afraid he will get hurt is asinine and eats up a year of his contract. He WILL get hurt but it can be mitigated with experience ie sliding properly, not getting yips, seeing ghosts, learning how to properly fall etc. They may have straight up fcked themselves not going OT in the draft though. They really need to spend some of that cap in FA this offseason on a T AND draft a few to homegrow. I say double dip and grab a QB again. Keep doubling down….they’ll eventually get it…I hope. I don’t think they’re Browns or Lions level of incompetence…yet.

 

[gobesmug]

No, it occurred for those players. There is no evidence it helped them more than playing would have, in fact it’s unreasonable to think they wouldn’t have progressed even more and faster by getting experience.

How do you think Brady went from 4th on the depth chart his rookie year to being better than Bledsoe his 2nd year without playing a game in the Regular season?

How do you think Mahomes went being benched behind Alex Smith to throwing 50tds and winning the MVP the following year without playing in the Regular season?

How do you think Warner went from being the 3rd string QB behind Tony Banks and Steve Bono to winning the superbowl and MVP the following year without playing a single game in the Regular season?

Hmm maybe, just maybe, practice has something to do with progression.

 

[Triumph]

I think there’s a real possibility we start 0-8. Don’t see a game in the first half I feel good about.

Worst case 4 wins and best case 8 wins.

Some unexpected things that go the Pats way need to occur for 8 - 9.

 

[Triumph]

How do you think Brady went from 4th on the depth chart his rookie year to being better than Bledsoe his 2nd year without playing a game in the Regular season?

How do you think Mahomes went being benched behind Alex Smith to throwing 50tds and winning the MVP the following year without playing in the Regular season?

How do you think Warner went from being the 3rd string QB behind Tony Banks and Steve Bono to winning the superbowl and MVP the following year without playing a single game in the Regular season?

Hmm maybe, just maybe, practice has something to do with progression.

Brady, Mahomes and even Warner are once in a lifetime QBs.

 

[Ring 6]

How do you think Brady went from 4th on the depth chart his rookie year to being better than Bledsoe his 2nd year without playing a game in the Regular season?

How do you think Mahomes went being benched behind Alex Smith to throwing 50tds and winning the MVP the following year without playing in the Regular season?

How do you think Warner went from being the 3rd string QB behind Tony Banks and Steve Bono to winning the superbowl and MVP the following year without playing a single game in the Regular season?

Hmm maybe, just maybe, practice has something to do with progression.

Practice is extremely important. Starters practice too.

 

[Ring 6]

Worst case 4 wins and best case 8 wins.

Some unexpected things that go the Pats way need to occur for 8 - 9.

Right mid it looks like worse case 2 wins best case 5.
It’s very hard to find 5 teams this roster and coaching staff could beat.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

That would be just another negligent move by the new leadership.

No it would not be negligence. The hope is to thoroughly prepare him to play for 12 -15 years.

You have it backwards: considering the questionable talent on the OL & WR, it would be negligent to start him immediately.

 

[Ring 6]

No it would not be negligence. The hope is to thoroughly prepare him to play for 12 -15 years.

You have it backwards: considering the questionable talent on the OL & WR, it would be negligent to start him immediately.

It’s negligent because they would be wasting the opportunity for him to develop faster. Playing through adversity is the best experience. If he can’t handle that he’s not the guy and you find out faster.

 

[Kasmir]

Who cares what the fans want? Their job is to build a contender, not to take fan polls about what they do and don’t like. If that were the case Belichick would have been fired after the 2000 season, and David Terrell would have been drafted over Richard Seymour. This OL couldn’t stop the cheerleaders from getting to the QB, so stabilize the OL and go from there.

Great way to go out of business -- or in the Patriots case to hemorrhage fans used to a high level of entertainment. I'm sure as hell not going to waste my time watching a suck-*ss team again this year. The NFL is an entertainment business.

 

[Kasmir]

Maybe some should sit, it certainly helped Brady, Mahomes, Montana, and Unitus before they went on to become GOATs.

You don't know if it helped them, i.e. that they developed more rapidly by practicing but not playing. Maybe, maybe not.

How do we know whether Brady was ready or not in 2000? He was a very successful college QB. That he was only QB4 was likely because the team didn't know what they had yet. If Bledsoe had gone down in 2000 I suspect Brady would have ended up being the starter that year because his competition was terrible. And he would have played well.

But whether or not sitting would help Maye, my concern is the team needs to find out as fast as they can what they have in Maye. Almost all drafted QB's end up disappointing. If we have a bad year this year, come next year's draft we need to know whether we should go back to the QB well.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I posted this in the '24 QB Draft thread, but here are the SB era HoF QBs and their first few seasons as starters, noting that only 5 started as a first time pro rookie in Week 1 (although I have trouble counting Staubach since he only started 1 game all year).

Aikman 0-11, 7-8 (Started Week 1 - Injured Week 11)
Bradshaw 3-5, 5-8 (Started Week 1 - Man was he bad, but it probably helped)
Elway 4-6 (Started Week 1 - Was also bad but improved towards end of season)
Favre DNS, 8-5 ***
Fouts 0-5-1, 3-8, 2-7, 5-8
Griese 3-7, 5-7-1, 2-6-1
JKelly 4-12, 6-6. (Played in USFL)
PManning 3-13 (Started Week 1)
Marino 7-2 ***
Montana 0-1, 2-5
WMoon 3-13, 4-10, 5-10 (Played in CFL)
Namath 3-5-1, 5-6-2
Stabler DNS, 1-0, 0-1
Staubach 1-0, 2-1 (Started only Week 1 all season)
Tarkenton 2-8, 2-11-1, 4-8-1
Warner DNS, 13-3 ***
SYoung 1-4, 2-12 (Played in USFL)

Bonus:
TB12 DNS, 11-3
Mahomes 1-0, 12-4
Brees DNS, 8-8, 2-9
Rodgers DNS, DNS, DNS, 6-10

 

[Jim Beankie]

You don't know if it helped them, i.e. that they developed more rapidly by practicing but not playing. Maybe, maybe not.

How do we know whether Brady was ready or not in 2000? He was a very successful college QB. That he was only QB4 was likely because the team didn't know what they had yet. If Bledsoe had gone down in 2000 I suspect Brady would have ended up being the starter that year because his competition was terrible. And he would have played well.

But whether or not sitting would help Maye, my concern is the team needs to find out as fast as they can what they have in Maye. Almost all drafted QB's end up disappointing. If we have a bad year this year, come next year's draft we need to know whether we should go back to the QB well.

Brady was sooo lucky he didn't get a pick 6 his 2nd pass attempt ever (similar to Stiddy).

 

[Stu Pidassle]

It happens all the time? I just gave you the example of Brady being hit more times than Darnold and Wilson. Darnold and Wilson weren't broken by playing behind a weak oline, they just suck.

Some QBs take more time to adjust to the NFL and develop their game but it has nothing to do with the oline.

Drew Brees played behind a good oline to start his career in SD but he looked like a bust after 3 season, which led them to drafting Phillip Rivers.

Jim Plunkett was a JAG QB his entire career. He just played in a different era where the QB has less of impact on winning than the modern game. He only won a superbowl because he played on a great Raiders team. Also the most he got sacked was 41 times in a season, was while playing for the Raiders.

Jim Plunkett was never a JAG. He always had elite talent, he just got his ass kicked all game every game when he was on the Patriots. It took a bit to over come his injuries, he was able to play to his potential in Oakland. The difference between Plunkett and Brady vs the QB's that failed under similar circumstances is that they were mentally tough. Brady worked his ass off to minimize his contributions to the sack total by making quicker, more decisive decisions. Plunkett endeavored to persevere and kept going until his chance came. I don't see Wilson learning anything from the Jets, it sounds like he is still making the same mistakes.

 

[gobesmug]

Jim Plunkett was never a JAG. He always had elite talent, he just got his ass kicked all game every game when he was on the Patriots. It took a bit to over come his injuries, he was able to play to his potential in Oakland. The difference between Plunkett and Brady vs the QB's that failed under similar circumstances is that they were mentally tough. Brady worked his ass off to minimize his contributions to the sack total by making quicker, more decisive decisions. Plunkett endeavored to persevere and kept going until his chance came. I don't see Wilson learning anything from the Jets, it sounds like he is still making the same mistakes.

Plunkett threw 19 tds his rookie season with the Pats. The most TDs he threw in a season was 20.

He had zero MVP seasons, zero all pro, and zero pro bowls.