Fear of Maye getting hurt is a dumb reason to not give him snaps

[Force Zero Boomer]

What? Brady was a 6th round pick, analytically and the evidence says odds are best to sit him, nothing to do with Drake Maye.
As the same data showed, you only sit a guy like Maye if you have Aaron Rodgers, or Joe Montana or a great player to sit behind.

BB, like he did with Mac Jones, actually followed the data and correctly did the right thing BOTH times.

Is Drake Maye obviously better than Jacoby right now because he's a 3rd round pick? Was Tom Brady obviously worse than Drew Bledsoe because he's a 6th round pick and Bledsoe was #1 overall? What a player *should be* because of draft position and what they actually ARE are very different things, no? That's my whole point. So your argument is that historical data shows that #3 picks should start in their first season, and therefore, Drake Maye should start? Likewise, the odds say that 6th round QB picks are better off sitting X number of years, so sit them? Is that how football teams are run? Nope. You look at the player and where they are in their development. You look at the team and where it is. It's a football decision. Analytics might help inform that decision, but the decision is always tailored to the specific player and the team.

And BB did the right thing with Brady? How do you know? Did we lose a season of Brady's greatness because BB held him back? You can't say, well, look at what a great career he had, BB was totally right! He might have had another great season on top of that.

 

[KCSVEN]

Is Drake Maye obviously better than Jacoby right now because he's a 3rd round pick? Was Tom Brady obviously worse than Drew Bledsoe because he's a 6th round pick and Bledsoe was #1 overall? What a player *should be* because of draft position and what they actually ARE are very different things, no? That's my whole point. So your argument is that historical data shows that #3 picks should start in their first season, and therefore, Drake Maye should start? Likewise, the odds say that 6th round QB picks are better off sitting X number of years, so sit them? Is that how football teams are run? Nope. You look at the player and where they are in their development. You look at the team and where it is. It's a football decision. Analytics might help inform that decision, but the decision is always tailored to the specific player and the team.

And BB did the right thing with Brady? How do you know? Did we lose a season of Brady's greatness because BB held him back? You can't say, well, look at what a great career he had, BB was totally right! He might have had another great season on top of that.

EXACTLY! You agree with me!

You are missing the point in some of that though, the argument has been, you must sit Maye because it has worked historically. Well, the evidence says he should start, so that's a dumb argument and that is MY MAIN POINT. We will never know about Brady, maybe he should have but we don't have tape of Brady to show he should have started due to Michigan coaches being morons and not having access to all 22 at the time. Now we do so as casual fans we actually can have enough info to have a qualified opinion.

If your argument is Drake Maye is not ready to start because X, Y and Z say he is not, GREAT, I completely AGREE, however I'd love to know what X, Y and Z are because they don't seem to exist.

Obviously, the tape on Drake Maye says he should start. The Analytics say he should start. He HAS to start 8-12 games if you want any hope of enticing a Tee Higgins or other free agent to want to come here next off season. Why not all 17 then?

I totally believe the patriots brass believe Maye is better than Brissett today. That's not the reason they are not going to start him.

 

[XLIX]

Great point. Is it realistic to draft a guy #3 and give him the equivalent of a red shirt year? Fans aren’t going to be happy with that.

I did a quick check and a lot of this is from memory so I may be off a little, but....

In the past 20 years, including this year, 32 QB's have gone in the top 5. Most of them started week 1 (and it is expected that Williams and Daniels from this year start week 1). We don't know what will happen to the 3 drafted this year but, of the 29 remaining, 27 started at least 7 games their rookie season. Of the 2 who didn't, 1 was a week 1 starter who got injured (Anthony Richardson) and 1 just plain sucked (Trey Lance).

So realistically, only 1 (Trey Lance) out of 32 Qb's drafted in the top 5 since 2004 was healthy but did not see significant playing time their rookie seasons (with Maye being this year's only unknown). And that was because Lance sucks, not because they were "saving" him.

When you're drafted top 5, you should play early and play often. With very few exceptions, getting drafted top 5 means you going to a crappy team so Maye is not the first guy to play behind a lousy line as a rookie.

The fact that Mahomes, Brady etc. sat for their first year doesn't mean it helped them. There is no way of knowing that.

+1 +1 +1

Fact is if you look at the top QB's in the NFL, 16 of the top 20 passers last year had significant starting time their rookie seasons. There really is not much QB success from guys who sit their first year.

Mahomes is an outlier, not the norm.

 

[XLIX]

I posted this in the '24 QB Draft thread, but here are the SB era HoF QBs and their first few seasons as starters, noting that only 5 started as a first time pro rookie in Week 1 (although I have trouble counting Staubach since he only started 1 game all year).

Aikman 0-11, 7-8 (Started Week 1 - Injured Week 11)
Bradshaw 3-5, 5-8 (Started Week 1 - Man was he bad, but it probably helped)
Elway 4-6 (Started Week 1 - Was also bad but improved towards end of season)
Favre DNS, 8-5 ***
Fouts 0-5-1, 3-8, 2-7, 5-8
Griese 3-7, 5-7-1, 2-6-1
JKelly 4-12, 6-6. (Played in USFL)
PManning 3-13 (Started Week 1)
Marino 7-2 ***
Montana 0-1, 2-5
WMoon 3-13, 4-10, 5-10 (Played in CFL)
Namath 3-5-1, 5-6-2
Stabler DNS, 1-0, 0-1
Staubach 1-0, 2-1 (Started only Week 1 all season)
Tarkenton 2-8, 2-11-1, 4-8-1
Warner DNS, 13-3 ***
SYoung 1-4, 2-12 (Played in USFL)

With all due resepect, it is a different day and age than the guys you have on that list above. The above list has no relevance to the present day.

 

[XLIX]

So if Drake plays now and sucks, are we going to say, "Well, he sucks. Let's draft a new QB in the 2025 draft."?

Congratulations. You're now advocating that we do business like the Jets.

Let the coaching staff get him ready and play him when they think he's ready.

The #3 pick in the draft should be ready to play significant time his rookie season.

 

[neuronet]

not sure he was sitting because of injury concerns though

 

[Gumby]

Brady, Mahomes and even Warner are once in a lifetime QBs.

Adding Joe Montana and Dan Marino to your list and I have

LIVED FIVE (5) LIFETIMES…..

And I hope I ain’t done yet. Man how lucky can you get.

I feel bad for those guys who live 2050-2100. by the law of averages; they are going to see some azzhat quarterbacking.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Since he was the #3 overall pick, he should be playing. A journeyman QB with an 18-30 record is not an excuse to sit him. That is a red flag if he can't beat out Brissett. And if Maye turns out to be a Zach Wilson-Trey Lance level bust, Mayo won't last after year 2.

Agree completely. The Chiefsstraded up in the first round for Mahomes, then ruined his career by having him sit behind Smith for a year. He could have been a good QB but the Chefs destroyed his career. Maye should get every snap for the rest of his career. And if the offensive line sucks then too bad for him, Patriot fans want to be happy right now, period.

 

[mgteich]

The only chance we have is home vs. Seahawks. It's going to be a rough start, another 2-6 start to the season.

I would start Maye in Game 5, but I suppose we could wait another game or two.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Agree completely. The Chiefsstraded up in the first round for Mahomes, then ruined his career by having him sit behind Smith for a year. He could have been a good QB but the Chefs destroyed his career. Maye should get every snap for the rest of his career. And if the offensive line sucks then too bad for him, Patriot fans want to be happy right now, period.

Two completely different situations. Maye was the #3 overall selection. When you are taken that high, you are expected to play. There is nobody standing in his way.

Mahomes was the 10th pick which still warrants playing time. However, Alex Smith was the starting QB who had been to 6 playoff games including a NFCCG and coming off a season with a 1st round bye before drafting Mahomes. Brissett has ZERO playoff appearances and is 18-30 as a starter. He has no business being a starting QB in the NFL.

A 5th round pick beat out Brissett in 2022. So yeah, it's really not a good look if he can't beat out Brissett.

 

[mgteich]

I also have to say "I told you so" about Bo Nix potentially being the best QB of this class.
He's ready to play, mature, steady, pro-style. Just watch.

I was banging the drum to trade down to get Nix & a LT

Absolutely, a top LT and Nix at 23. We all remember.

And then, many here would get to say that we got our LT, of he even was close to the LT's we have had. And then, we could try again among the poor QB's next year and then in 2026.

MAYBE, we would have been OK to move down a bit for Nix or McCarthy or Penix and then picked an LT in the 20's. I'm sure the posters would have gone nuts!
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The team chose to draft a QB #3. Maybe that was wrong. HOWEVER, I strongly believe that we should have picked a QB in the top ten or perhaps 11 picks.

 

[XLIX]

Two completely different situations. Maye was the #3 overall selection. When you are taken that high, you are expected to play. There is nobody standing in his way.

Mahomes was the 10th pick which still warrants playing time. However, Alex Smith was the starting QB who had been to 6 playoff games including a NFCCG and coming off a season with a 1st round bye before drafting Mahomes. Brissett has ZERO playoff appearances and is 18-30 as a starter. He has no business being a starting QB in the NFL.

Mahomes sitting out year 1 is 100% the exception, and not the rule, for highly drafted quarterbacks. There is no evidence that sitting out hurt him, nor is there any evidence that sitting out helped him. He is a great QB, period, end of discussion.

Also, there is no evidence that playing year 1 hurts quarterbacks in general. Look at the best QB's in the League today and, barring Mahomes, you see the solid majority of them had significant playing time their rookie season. In many cases, they started game 1.

As I mentioned before, if Maye doesn't see significant playing time this season then he becomes only the 2nd of the previous 32 QB's drafted in the top 5 not to do so. That would not be a good thing.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I think maybe there has been a slight shift this week. I will need to recheck but if my memory doesn’t fail me, despite still playing with the 2s Maye has gotten more reps than Brissett the last 2 practices.

It will be interesting to see how the reps are divided today and how the joint practice goes. In my opinion Maye has a chance to make it a competition today

 

[Huckleberry1]

Two completely different situations. Maye was the #3 overall selection. When you are taken that high, you are expected to play. There is nobody standing in his way.

Mahomes was the 10th pick which still warrants playing time. However, Alex Smith was the starting QB who had been to 6 playoff games including a NFCCG and coming off a season with a 1st round bye before drafting Mahomes. Brissett has ZERO playoff appearances and is 18-30 as a starter. He has no business being a starting QB in the NFL.

A 5th round pick beat out Brissett in 2022. So yeah, it's really not a good look if he can't beat out Brissett.

Sitting to get prepared for starting is the same in either case. Maye isn’t sitting because he can’t beat out Brissett, and Mahomes wasn’t sitting because he couldn’t beat out Smith, he’s going to sit until both he and the OL are ready for him to start. Everyone knows this is the case, but you can keep pretending it’s because he can’t beat Brissett for as long as you want to.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

The #3 pick in the draft should be ready to play significant time his rookie season.

What if the Pats had taken McCarthy and Maye had fallen to the Vikings at #10. Same player, but now he can sit out his first season because he fell 7 spots?

 

[XLIX]

What if the Pats had taken McCarthy and Maye had fallen to the Vikings at #10. Same player, but now he can sit out his first season because he fell 7 spots?

Then they’d be idiots, but the same logic applies.

 

[rkarp1]

Mahomes sitting out year 1 is 100% the exception, and not the rule, for highly drafted quarterbacks. There is no evidence that sitting out hurt him, nor is there any evidence that sitting out helped him. He is a great QB, period, end of discussion.

Also, there is no evidence that playing year 1 hurts quarterbacks in general. Look at the best QB's in the League today and, barring Mahomes, you see the solid majority of them had significant playing time their rookie season. In many cases, they started game 1.

As I mentioned before, if Maye doesn't see significant playing time this season then he becomes only the 2nd of the previous 32 QB's drafted in the top 5 not to do so. That would not be a good thing.

does not make it a rule, but Love sat for 2 years behind Rodgers

 

[Huckleberry1]

What if the Pats had taken McCarthy and Maye had fallen to the Vikings at #10. Same player, but now he can sit out his first season because he fell 7 spots?

The bottom line is that every situation is different. You start the young QB when the time is right for that player and team, what has happened with other QB’s and team’s is completely irrelevant to your situation. Maye has technical changes he needs to master, an offense to learn, and a terrible situation currently on the OL. Once he’s ready, and the OL can provide him with decent protection then he should start, until then he just needs to keep working towards the goal of getting ready to play.

Drew Bledsoe made the best observation on this process a few years back, when he compared being a first round QB drafted by the Jets to being the virgin selected to be taken to the top of a volcano for sacrifice. The Patriots don’t need to follow the Jets example of throwing the virgin into the volcano just to make some fans happy, they need to stick to the plan, get Maye ready, and fix the OL, then send him in to start his career as an NFL QB, but not before then.

 

[Huckleberry1]

does not make it a rule, but Love sat for 2 years behind Rodgers

Every situation is different. The Patriots aren’t going to the playoffs this year, and they don’t need to rush Maye onto the field.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Whether Brisette is bad or not, Maye doesn't seem ready right now and I can't see that changing in a few weeks. Start Brissette for at least the first month. I think our chances of winning any of those games are higher with Maye watching from the sideline.

That said, seeing him in there by late October would be great.