Fear of Maye getting hurt is a dumb reason to not give him snaps

[gobesmug]

Yes. Please remember that Maye regressed his last year at UNC. Lost weapons and leaky OL in the interior. If one studies the tape, he flashes frustration on several occasions.

The situation with the Patriots’ OL is actually worse for Maye than at UNC. Weak OTs but strong in the middle. That lets guys come free off the edge, worst nightmare for a QB. Especially on the blind side.

Ask the Jets about ruining a franchise rookie QB with poor OL play. I still applaud them for drafting Olu Fashanu as their backup LT instead of a QB to wait in the wings.

Im so sick of this false narrative that a weak oline somehow breaks Rookie QBs from being great players.

Zach Wilson in 17 games his rookie season was sacked 44 times. Sam Darnold in 16 games was sacked 30 times his rookie year.

Brady his first year playing was sacked 41 times in only 14 games.

Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold weren't destroyed by having a weak oline, they just suck.

 

[State]

Fans are impatient. Let Maye develop. He’s a man-child.

Brissett wasn’t brought in to hold a clipboard.

 

[State]

Im so sick of this false narrative that a weak oline somehow breaks Rookie QBs from being great players.

Zach Wilson in 17 games his rookie season was sacked 44 times. Sam Darnold in 16 games was sacked 30 times his rookie year.

Brady his first year playing was sacked 41 times in only 14 games.

Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold weren't destroyed by having a weak oline, they just suck.

It happens. All the time. Google Jim Plunkett if you’re not an older guy.

Brady had good tackles. My point is guys coming screaming off the edges hurts a lot more and causes the “rips.”

Brady curled up in anticipation for a lot of those hits. The Jets guys were crying for their mommies.

And it’s my understanding that Darnold hasn’t been beaten out by McCarthy in Minnesota.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

This is true. I heard JJ McCarthy looks good with the Vikings.

Mac would look good with that O

 

[Real fan 02]

the number of snaps Maye got is an answer to the question - Is he ready?

He's not ready.

If Drake Maye had shown that he was ready in practice/camp, he would have played more.

As you said, this is going to be a loooooong rebuild, No need to rush it in game 1. Mayo is being deliberate with his development - which is a good thing.

I believe it was more of the o- line concern... but I've come back earth. I believe Brissett is the starter, and the only time we see maye daye is if we are fortunate to dare is say it.... be up. Big on a team this season. I honestly can't say how long a rebuild we take becuase we seem to have been in a rebuild for 4 seasons now.

Reason for optimism : getting a gino Smith type season out of Brissett would help tremendously.

While Drake is still getting adapted let Brissett play... let all the rookies get playing time.. allow the line to settle in and gel. By the time Drake is ready we will have more around the team to support him. Looking like a functional contending team would do more for the future of the team than loosing and hoping for another top 5 pick.

 

[Triumph]

Im so sick of this false narrative that a weak oline somehow breaks Rookie QBs from being great players.

Zach Wilson in 17 games his rookie season was sacked 44 times. Sam Darnold in 16 games was sacked 30 times his rookie year.

Brady his first year playing was sacked 41 times in only 14 games.

Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold weren't destroyed by having a weak oline, they just suck.

No O line blocks perfect 100% of the time.

Mahomes OL does not, but what does he do? Improvise. Check out of the play if it looks like trouble for the KC OL. Sense the rush and deliver a strike anyway.

If Maye needs to move in the pocket to avoid the rush then so be it. Thats the NFL.

 

[Grogan14]

the number of snaps Maye got is an answer to the question - Is he ready?

He's not ready.

If Drake Maye had shown that he was ready in practice/camp, he would have played more.

As you said, this is going to be a loooooong rebuild, No need to rush it in game 1. Mayo is being deliberate with his development - which is a good thing.

For a pre season game? We talking about practice!!

 

[Fuzz]

It’s silly to assume they didn’t play him because they didn’t want him to get hurt or that he isn’t ready. For either of those situations, playing against the worst team in the leagues backups is precisely what they would want. Instead they used it as an opportunity to test their depth. They treated both Maye and Brissett as starters.

I’m sure he’ll play a lot vs the eagles in joint practices and in the game. That should put this silliness to bed.

 

[Triumph]

Fans are impatient. Let Maye develop. He’s a man-child.

Brissett wasn’t brought in to hold a clipboard.

@ Cincinnati
Seattle
@ NYJ
@ SF

Brisset needs to win a least 1 of these games or else Maye is in.

 

[Pape]

For a pre season game? We talking about practice!!

you know Maye is not going to be the starter, so its more important to get brisket the snaps so we can at least be competitive while Maye gets fully up to speed.

 

[Pape]

I believe Brissett is the starter,

Unless he gets hurt, Brissett is the starter.

Its been quite obvious from the beginning - since they signed him - that this was going to happen, regardless of who we drafted in the 3 spot.

 

[gobesmug]

It happens. All the time. Google Jim Plunkett if you’re not an older guy.

Brady had good tackles. My point is guys coming screaming off the edges hurts a lot more and causes the “rips.”

Brady curled up in anticipation for a lot of those hits. The Jets guys were crying for their mommies.

And it’s my understanding that Darnold hasn’t been beaten out by McCarthy in Minnesota.

It happens all the time? I just gave you the example of Brady being hit more times than Darnold and Wilson. Darnold and Wilson weren't broken by playing behind a weak oline, they just suck.

Some QBs take more time to adjust to the NFL and develop their game but it has nothing to do with the oline.

Drew Brees played behind a good oline to start his career in SD but he looked like a bust after 3 season, which led them to drafting Phillip Rivers.

Jim Plunkett was a JAG QB his entire career. He just played in a different era where the QB has less of impact on winning than the modern game. He only won a superbowl because he played on a great Raiders team. Also the most he got sacked was 41 times in a season, was while playing for the Raiders.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Great point. Is it realistic to draft a guy #3 and give him the equivalent of a red shirt year? Fans aren’t going to be happy with that.

I'm a fan and I am happy with it. If he turns out to be The One, everyone will be saying how wise the Pats were in planning and executing his progression. Isn't next year's crop of QBs underwhelming? Either you get a great QB in FA, you sell the farm to trade for one, or you get a placeholder in FA and draft a 2025 QB and wait for him to develop. Given the putrid state of the team, I think the Pats made the right choice. The needed a franchise QB, they had little to sell, and there were no great QBs in FA.

Just realize we’re in a no-win situation. We’ve got LT troubles. And Okorafor at RT is stinking up the joint with his mental errors.

This is a rebuild year, not a win-now year. New management, new coaches, new schemes, new players, new era... Expectations should be muted.

We are still missing key pieces.

But that’s the price of not trading down and accumulating extra talent. Staying put at #3 means our starting OTs would be backups on most other teams.

Trading down does not guarantee that you fill those key positions. Draft picks -- even high ones -- often fail to pan out. But if your team needs a QB and there's a shot at a franchise type player, you have to take it. There's no harder position to fill.

 

[jdlboot14]

@ Cincinnati
Seattle
@ NYJ
@ SF

Brisset needs to win a least 1 of these games or else Maye is in.

The only chance we have is home vs. Seahawks. It's going to be a rough start, another 2-6 start to the season.

 

[Gumby]

Yes. Please remember that Maye regressed his last year at UNC. Lost weapons and leaky OL in the interior. If one studies the tape, he flashes frustration on several occasions.

The situation with the Patriots’ OL is actually worse for Maye than at UNC. Weak OTs but strong in the middle. That lets guys come free off the edge, worst nightmare for a QB. Especially on the blind side.
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Didn’t watch the whole game (only replay snips /highlights & game tape analysis guys on twitter etc); but my impression was T held up and breakdowns came quicker up the gut. So opposite of the expectation. Please correct me if this is just my small sample size.

Anyway (my point); although the blindside OT was traditionally the nightmare position for a QB; ….. particularly based on our experience w TB; I would think „really bad“ OGs is actually more of a problem. Bad OTs can get TE or RB chips to help. Bad OGs let DTs take the handoff.

I’m not so worried about Maye‘s snap count. I think a little less Zappe more Joe would have been ok.

I was always told the most important thing on OL play was consistency working together & teamwork. So I’m ok w them waiting one more week on a wet rainy (slippery?) day til they figure better out who those 5-9 guys are.

 

[Triumph]

The only chance we have is home vs. Seahawks. It's going to be a rough start, another 2-6 start to the season.

And Seattle should be tough with Geno, Metcalf and Lockett.

 

[Gumby]

It happens all the time? I just gave you the example of Brady being hit more times than Darnold and Wilson. Darnold and Wilson weren't broken by playing behind a weak oline, they just suck.

Some QBs take more time to adjust to the NFL and develop their game but it has nothing to do with the oline.

Drew Brees played behind a good oline to start his career in SD but he looked like a bust after 3 season, which led them to drafting Phillip Rivers.

Jim Plunkett was a JAG QB his entire career. He just played in a different era where the QB has less of impact on winning than the modern game. He only won a superbowl because he played on a great Raiders team. Also the most he got sacked was 41 times in a season, was while playing for the Raiders

41 counts a little more in a 14 game season. (Or was it already 16?; still <17+).

I don’t buy the „it has nothing to do w the OL argument „. Everything plays into it; including the coaching.

Your limited sample size doesn’t bolster your case either. Taking the GOAT who started his career in Year 2 behind a decent if not good OL and then comparing to two guys who got the yips in year 1 behind crap.

Regardless, I doubt it can be proven either way. You have to extrapolate out WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. We all can imagine different outcomes.

I just think the history is that of guys sitting 1/2 to whole year having more success than those who don’t. So no issue w taking Maye slow.

 

[Kasmir]

The fact that Mahomes, Brady etc. sat for their first year doesn't mean it helped them. There is no way of knowing that.

Plenty of QB's have succeeded as first year starters.

For entertainment value alone Maye should start.

And the team needs to get a read on Maye as soon as possible. If he sits this year while the team has another terrible season, it would be a disaster to not take another QB at the top of next year's draft if Maye ends up eventually being a bust.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Maye will be on the sideline for between 5-15 games.

 

[BTTA]

There's also the reality that "the fans" views and emotional needs are not a reflection of the fans that speak out on social media. That's a very small, narrowly defined group that in no way represents the whole.

Was a fear of Jacoby Brissett getting hurt why they played him for a series and pulled him also?

They will ramp up Maye's participation and snaps this week and going forward.

The staff isn't impatient, even if some fans are. Do what's right for the player, to hell with the fans.