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Is Brady on the decline? Yes, but at a very slow rate. Bradys still one of the best in the game. He hasn't been the problem over the last few years, the team has. The more This team around him continues to improve, the better chance he can finish off his career with another ring or two.
 
The answer is complex, but yes.

#1. In terms of experience, Brady is growing every year.

But that is counteracted by:

#1. The knee operation making a slow straight line player with a quick first step a slower player with a slower first step. To make up for this he spends more attention watching the pocket during the play which resulted in him actually ducking shadows last year a couple of times.

#2. His downfield accuracy. Don't site me 65 yard pass plays with 53 yards after the catch. Over 25 yards in the air (scrimmage) to yard line it's caught on his accuracy has become not average, but poor. It's not secret why we didn't go after the deep threats for Moss#2 the past few years, because we can't take advantage of it. Brady will keep doing what he does: throwing a variety of passes under 20 yards to a variety of targets in good percentage situations. He'll have to air out a few a game just to mix it up, but unless Dobson and DA can run under anything that's thrown in imitation of Moss, don't count on much success.

I have him for 2 more years at 99 QB Rating (+/- 4) with 36 TD's and < 12 Int's - well under his top 4-5 seasons, after that more decline. Sorry, that's the way it goes.
 
Every year they say he is in decline and every year he gives MVP type season. the man is like the finest wine. if brett favre could play till he was 40 in a somewhat high level i dont see TFB not doing that considering the fact that he is WAY better than favre.

There are a few QB's in NFL history with more than 2 very good or better seasons at age 35 and beyond. Elway, Warner, Staubach are a few.

Even the best were pretty much done at age 38 (in terms of big years). Favre had one great year late and another very good one late - but it was 2 out of 6 years starting at age 36 and some of those years he sucked.
 
#2. His downfield accuracy. Don't site me 65 yard pass plays with 53 yards after the catch. Over 25 yards in the air (scrimmage) to yard line it's caught on his accuracy has become not average, but poor.

Complete and utter nonsense.

I already cited Brady's (and many others) stats on passes over 31+ yards here, here, and here.

Brady's deep stats are just fine. They've fallen off a bit recently (due to lack of a deep thread since Moss), but career long? They are fine. Even just his deep stats from last year were on par with both Manning's and Rodgers's.
 
Complete and utter nonsense.

Brady's deep stats are just fine. They've fallen off a bit recently (due to lack of a deep thread since Moss), but career long? They are fine. Even just his deep stats from last year were on par with both Manning's and Rodgers's.

Tom Brady was among league's worst in 'bad passes' last season | masslive.com

I wasn't addressing his entire career, but the obvious decline of the past few years as being indicative of what he's going to do from hereon:

2011 season:

ProFootballFocus.com:

Passes of 20 or more yards
Left: 7-for-20, 232 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT (75.8 QB Rating)
Middle: 9-for-33, 300 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs (66.7)
Right: 7-for-15, 214 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs (132.6)

Passes of 10-19 yards
Left: 21-for-47, 351 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs (84.6)
Middle: 63-for-89, 1,298 yards, 14 TDs, 7 INTs (120)
Right: 17-for-26, 324 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (105.3)

Passes of 0-9 yards
Left: 80-for-102, 754 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs (120.3)
Middle: 176-for-226, 1,784 yards, 11 TDs, 2 INTs (112.1)
Right: 47-for-66, 415 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (86.4)

Look at the disparity between those numbers. Brady’s deep numbers were abysmal last season, and most his production came in the middle of the field where Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez live. That makes it safe to assume that most of Brady’s bad passes came on deep balls, where he was 23-for-68 (33 percent) last season.

This isn't anything new. In 2009, he was 18-for-69 (26 percent) on such passes, and 18-for-49 (36 percent) in 2010.

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Tom Brady's missing deep ball - AFC East Blog - ESPN

The deep ball has been increasingly missing with Brady as he's gotten older. Since 2011, he's overthrown 12 of 19 attempts of 30 yards or more, which is the highest percentage (63.2) in the league, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

In addition, Brady completed just 50.5 percent of passes of 15 yards or more last season. Brady is still great at reading defenses and making the short and intermediate passes. But age and wear and tear is starting to create holes in Brady's deep passing game.

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Some of this decline might be due to bad deep options (I didn't see any coming in this off season either), and the shoulder/scope problems - but those issues are going to get worse, not better with age. We're talking effective deep passing, not excuses.
 
Tom Brady was among league's worst in 'bad passes' last season | masslive.com

I wasn't addressing his entire career, but the obvious decline of the past few years as being indicative of what he's going to do from hereon:

2011 season:

ProFootballFocus.com:

Passes of 20 or more yards
Left: 7-for-20, 232 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT (75.8 QB Rating)
Middle: 9-for-33, 300 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs (66.7)
Right: 7-for-15, 214 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs (132.6)

Passes of 10-19 yards
Left: 21-for-47, 351 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs (84.6)
Middle: 63-for-89, 1,298 yards, 14 TDs, 7 INTs (120)
Right: 17-for-26, 324 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (105.3)

Passes of 0-9 yards
Left: 80-for-102, 754 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs (120.3)
Middle: 176-for-226, 1,784 yards, 11 TDs, 2 INTs (112.1)
Right: 47-for-66, 415 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (86.4)

Look at the disparity between those numbers. Brady’s deep numbers were abysmal last season, and most his production came in the middle of the field where Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez live. That makes it safe to assume that most of Brady’s bad passes came on deep balls, where he was 23-for-68 (33 percent) last season.

This isn't anything new. In 2009, he was 18-for-69 (26 percent) on such passes, and 18-for-49 (36 percent) in 2010.

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Tom Brady's missing deep ball - AFC East Blog - ESPN

The deep ball has been increasingly missing with Brady as he's gotten older. Since 2011, he's overthrown 12 of 19 attempts of 30 yards or more, which is the highest percentage (63.2) in the league, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

In addition, Brady completed just 50.5 percent of passes of 15 yards or more last season. Brady is still great at reading defenses and making the short and intermediate passes. But age and wear and tear is starting to create holes in Brady's deep passing game.

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Some of this decline might be due to bad deep options (I didn't see any coming in this off season either), and the shoulder/scope problems - but those issues are going to get worse, not better with age. We're talking effective deep passing, not excuses.

First it PFF and therefore useless.
Second, are you seriously telling me you don't realize every QBs success rate declines the farther downfield they throw?
 
One consolation is that there are limited areas in which Brady could still improve. To the eye test, his accuracy on a simple parallel-to-the-line swing pass has dropped greatly from his early years, when it was such a big part of his game. He could easily get some of that back with focus/practice. I think Brady is older now than Peyton was when he went from hopeless at throwing on the run to kind of adequate; even so, while this is less likely than my first example, Brady could do the same.

Another consolation is that AHern could improve -- in various ways, he lets too many balls hit the ground.
 
Tom Brady was among league's worst in 'bad passes' last season | masslive.com

I wasn't addressing his entire career, but the obvious decline of the past few years as being indicative of what he's going to do from hereon:

2011 season:

ProFootballFocus.com:

Passes of 20 or more yards
Left: 7-for-20, 232 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT (75.8 QB Rating)
Middle: 9-for-33, 300 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs (66.7)
Right: 7-for-15, 214 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs (132.6)

Passes of 10-19 yards
Left: 21-for-47, 351 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs (84.6)
Middle: 63-for-89, 1,298 yards, 14 TDs, 7 INTs (120)
Right: 17-for-26, 324 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (105.3)

Passes of 0-9 yards
Left: 80-for-102, 754 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs (120.3)
Middle: 176-for-226, 1,784 yards, 11 TDs, 2 INTs (112.1)
Right: 47-for-66, 415 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (86.4)

Look at the disparity between those numbers. Brady’s deep numbers were abysmal last season, and most his production came in the middle of the field where Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez live. That makes it safe to assume that most of Brady’s bad passes came on deep balls, where he was 23-for-68 (33 percent) last season.

This isn't anything new. In 2009, he was 18-for-69 (26 percent) on such passes, and 18-for-49 (36 percent) in 2010.

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Tom Brady's missing deep ball - AFC East Blog - ESPN

The deep ball has been increasingly missing with Brady as he's gotten older. Since 2011, he's overthrown 12 of 19 attempts of 30 yards or more, which is the highest percentage (63.2) in the league, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

In addition, Brady completed just 50.5 percent of passes of 15 yards or more last season. Brady is still great at reading defenses and making the short and intermediate passes. But age and wear and tear is starting to create holes in Brady's deep passing game.

#########################################

Some of this decline might be due to bad deep options (I didn't see any coming in this off season either), and the shoulder/scope problems - but those issues are going to get worse, not better with age. We're talking effective deep passing, not excuses.

If this is your evidence, obvious doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
According to this chart, his deep passes on the right are GREAT. The left side isn't too bad either, if you takeaway the ONE interception... it really killed his QB rating. He's just struggling with the deep passes up the middle, where fifty percent were likely throwaways or hailmarys or not, but... to the point.

He doesn't appear to be declining, IMO. Since the knee injury I'll admit he hasn't been able to handle pressure as confidently as he used to, but that's the only problem I've seen with him as of late. He's never been that great of a deep passer. Yes, he's completed some in good situations... Wide open receiver, no pressure in the pocket. But when he's under pressure and there's a receiver in single coverage(unless it's the athletic and tall, Randy Moss), he misses them every time, more likely because he don't want an INT on the stat sheet. If Brady played with the Saints offense and Coach Payton... where he can throw jump balls all the time at athletic receivers and have better offensive schemes leading to wide open receivers all the time, ESPN wouldn't be writing this so-called "decline" story and no-one would be looking up how his deep passes are signs of decline.

I think Brady plays GREAT given the system, he's got to play in.
 
Brady in the postseason since 2004.


10 vs the Jets

Brady struggled the whole game.

Thats the bottom line.

The game plan from '10 was one of the worse of the BB era. Brady was far from being at fault in that particular game.
 
Of course he is. For those of us who are 35+, think of yourself at 25 and yourself at 35. Nature's a beeyatch, right? As would have to be the case, Brady continues to be a hard worker/"lifelong learner," but it is what it is.

I've been a Pats fan a long time now, and I don't want this to be happening. But it is.

Upside: As others said earlier, he had a long way to fall -- from (arguably) the best ever (and I think that argument's much stronger with 1 more ring,) to one of the best in the league. It's still a ways before thinking anybody else will give you the best chance to win (although -- ack! -- that can happen fast.)

So - still crazy good. Still a non-issue, because we ain't doing any better any time soon. You ride that train until you're sure you're at the end of the line -- and we're nowhere near the "cut bait" moment.

But should we be doing things to look past Brady? Of course we should, and it looks like we are: shore up the defense, the running game, the tight ends, things like that. Meanwhile keep providing TFB targets (and it's not like that doesn't include the backs and TEs.)

It's been a magical 12 years thus far, and I'd love there to be another magical 5 or even 7 or 8... but we don't know. It might be another 2. And of course 2007 ain't coming back. So everybody forget that.

I'm looking for an Elway SB run at the end to bookend the Aikmen-like run at the beginning... I think that sort of adds up to a Montana, once you factor in the insane stat seasons to make up for the "never lost a SB" thing. You know, in bar arguments.

So for right now, among the best. Not at his peak. Booo hooooooo.

I agree with many of the things you say, especially the bookends type of career which I feel (hope?) will happen.

The fact that Brady was more of a cerebral than athletic quarterback used to be a "knock" against him, but now is serving to extend his career to heights unknown.

I know the arguments are out there that quarterbacks rarely make impacts beyond 36-38 years old, but lifestyles, health and nutritional managements are a lot different now than they were (even recently), and as with life expectancies these days continually being extended, we can expect to see similarities as far as NFL careers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Brady setting a new benchmark by playing at a high level (but not elite) at 40.
 
The comment below is from the Mankins-Wendell-Welker thread and in response to Brady dealing with inside pressure, but it is still applicable to this conversation and is worth repeating here.


As for Brady, even if you buy into the PFF stuff, it's pretty much what you'd have expected:



In 2009, Brady was coming back from injury, Moss was almost strictly a 10 yard + threat, the team had no WR3, Watson had fallen out of favor and Baker was a stiff, so TB's numbers would be expected to be down.

In 2010, Gronkandez arrived, giving better outlets at TE and taking pressure of WWW. The numbers would be expected to be much better than 2009's.

In 2011, Gronkandez ruled again, along with Welker, so the numbers should have been up there again, and they were.

In 2012, Gronkandez was a comparative bust, and Welker was all Brady had, so it's not surprising that the numbers dipped (There's more to it, like some trainwreck moments for Thomas etc..., but that's where I'd start).
 
First it PFF and therefore useless.

Compared to what, chicken bones?

Second, are you seriously telling me you don't realize every QBs success rate declines the farther downfield they throw?

What a stupid question.

Brady's downfield game is the least impressive part of his skill set, assuming we are not talking running the ball. BB has designed the passing game to maximize completion percentage, but, on those occasions when they have to go deeper to try and prove they are a threat, or when they are behind late, Brady isn't very good at it. Are you trying to tell me you haven't noticed it? Really?
 
CHFF among all football related publications is the among the first that banged the drum for Brady:

In 2005, CHFF proclaimed Brady to be > Manning (a unusual/strange concept to most at the time), followed by Byrnes piece in 2010 picked up by SI:

Proclaimed the greatest cold weather QB of all time in 2010 (Jan & Dec):


There is no doubt that among serious fans of the NFL, that these pro Brady pieces had a massive positive effect on the debate surrounding Brady.

Then in Feb 2012, this piece:


By Scott Kacsmar
Cold, Hard Football Facts Comeback-ologist

We should probably drop that G.O.A.T. argument now.

What if we told you there was a quarterback in the last seven years that won two league MVP awards, won 78.4% of his regular season games, and had a 101.8 passer rating with a 203:63 TD-to-INT ratio? He led three of the 10 highest scoring teams in NFL history in that span.

Then what if we told you that same quarterback in the postseason had a 7-6 record (.538), 0-2 in the Super Bowl, lost two home playoff games by 26 points and had an 87.1 passer rating with a 27:17 TD-to-INT ratio? Finally, in those three historically high-scoring seasons, he lost in the playoffs by scoring only 14, 21 and 17 points (the 14 and 17 represent season-lows).

That is not a fictional quarterback at all. That is Tom Brady from 2005 to 2011.

Known as a “clutch winner” since early in his career, Brady won three Super Bowls and his first 10 playoff starts. But things have gone much differently since the last Super Bowl win, which is now eight seasons ago.

No longer has Brady been able to consistently pull out playoff wins, or even perform admirably in these games as he’s increased his regular season standards to much loftier levels.

Brady had a very uneven game in Super Bowl XLVI. With high expectations, he got off to as bad of a start as any quarterback ever has in the Super Bowl, helping the Giants register a safety on his first drop back with an intentional grounding in the end zone penalty.

But then Brady warmed up and would eventually complete a Super Bowl-record 16 straight passes. At one point, he was 20/23 with two passes batted at the line, and the intentional grounding.

That also means Brady finished the game 7/18 with an interception in the rest of the second half. They weren’t all bad passes, as a few were dropped; most notably a difficult catch Wes Welker failed to pull in late in the game. It doesn’t help when Rob Gronkowski is maybe 50% of his usual self.

For all the talk about Brady’s ability to take over a game with New England’s potent no-huddle offense, Brady only used it on ten plays, which just so happened to come during their two touchdown drives.

But this game also exposed the flaws that still exist in Brady’s game after all these years.

First, it’s the fact that he’s more susceptible to pressure getting to him in the pocket and making his level of play deteriorate more than usual. The Giants didn’t always get much pressure, but the few times they did, it was usually very successful in throwing Brady off his game.

The problem Brady has here is his lack of mobility to extend plays. When the Giants pressured Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith in the previous games, those quarterbacks rushed for 66 and 42 yards, respectively. They could move well enough to create positive plays for their teams. Brady doesn’t have the same ability, and in this game, he never scrambled once.

Then there are the tight throws into coverage. We saw Eli Manning make several of these in the game, including the biggest play: 38 yards to Manningham. They don’t all have to be deep balls, as Manning also gunned an 8-yard pass in to Victor Cruz in the fourth quarter in a tight window.

These are the types of throws that need to be made some times to have success. The Patriots do an incredible job of spreading the field with five good options to throw to, and no team does a better job of creating mismatches and getting receivers wide open.

But every quarterback is going to have plays where things don’t work, and they have to find that tight window to throw into, and Brady has not done a good enough job at that.

Chad Ochocinco had the longest gain of the night for New England; a mere 21 yards. In Brady’s five Super Bowls, his longest pass plays of the game have been 23 (Rams), 52 (Panthers), 27 (Eagles), 19 (Giants 2007), and 21 (Giants 2011) yards.


Brady has thrown 9 TD passes in his five Super Bowls. The distances on those plays are 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8, and 12 yards. The last came Sunday night to Aaron Hernandez.

In the two Super Bowls against the Giants, Brady is 0/13 with an interception on passes thrown 20+ yards. The Patriots rely on yards after the catch to get explosive plays, which isn’t always easy to do. Sometimes you just have to sling it.

Getting explosive plays makes scoring points easier, and it can help offset some of the ill effects of having awful starting field position like the Patriots did in this game (average drive was at the 16.1 which is even worse than the 2009 Colts in Super Bowl XLIV).

The 1st and 10th highest scoring teams in NFL history should be able to score more than 14-17 points against what are two of the worst statistical defenses to ever win a Super Bowl. But that’s what has happened in these two New England losses to the Giants. If Brady's not going to scramble and he's not going to make coverage throws, then he's just making it easier on the defense to defend him and his offense.

Brady should go down as the best short-ball passer in NFL history, but until he starts delivering the tougher throws, he’ll remain idolizing the likes of Joe Montana as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

Because he's not it.


Scott Kacsmar is a football researcher/writer who has contributed large quantities of data to Pro-Football-Reference.com, including the only standardized database of fourth quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. He is currently not welcomed in Denver, New England, Green Bay, and San Diego. You can send any questions or comments to Scott at [email protected] and you can follow him on Twitter at @CaptainComeback.
 
CHFF among all football related publications is the among the first that banged the drum for Brady:

In 2005, CHFF proclaimed Brady to be > Manning (a unusual/strange concept to most at the time), followed by Byrnes piece in 2010 picked up by SI:

Proclaimed the greatest cold weather QB of all time in 2010 (Jan & Dec):


There is no doubt that among serious fans of the NFL, that these pro Brady pieces had a massive positive effect on the debate surrounding Brady.

Then in Feb 2012, this piece:


By Scott Kacsmar
Cold, Hard Football Facts Comeback-ologist

We should probably drop that G.O.A.T. argument now.

What if we told you there was a quarterback in the last seven years that won two league MVP awards, won 78.4% of his regular season games, and had a 101.8 passer rating with a 203:63 TD-to-INT ratio? He led three of the 10 highest scoring teams in NFL history in that span.

Then what if we told you that same quarterback in the postseason had a 7-6 record (.538), 0-2 in the Super Bowl, lost two home playoff games by 26 points and had an 87.1 passer rating with a 27:17 TD-to-INT ratio? Finally, in those three historically high-scoring seasons, he lost in the playoffs by scoring only 14, 21 and 17 points (the 14 and 17 represent season-lows).

That is not a fictional quarterback at all. That is Tom Brady from 2005 to 2011.

Known as a “clutch winner” since early in his career, Brady won three Super Bowls and his first 10 playoff starts. But things have gone much differently since the last Super Bowl win, which is now eight seasons ago.

No longer has Brady been able to consistently pull out playoff wins, or even perform admirably in these games as he’s increased his regular season standards to much loftier levels.

Brady had a very uneven game in Super Bowl XLVI. With high expectations, he got off to as bad of a start as any quarterback ever has in the Super Bowl, helping the Giants register a safety on his first drop back with an intentional grounding in the end zone penalty.

But then Brady warmed up and would eventually complete a Super Bowl-record 16 straight passes. At one point, he was 20/23 with two passes batted at the line, and the intentional grounding.

That also means Brady finished the game 7/18 with an interception in the rest of the second half. They weren’t all bad passes, as a few were dropped; most notably a difficult catch Wes Welker failed to pull in late in the game. It doesn’t help when Rob Gronkowski is maybe 50% of his usual self.

For all the talk about Brady’s ability to take over a game with New England’s potent no-huddle offense, Brady only used it on ten plays, which just so happened to come during their two touchdown drives.

But this game also exposed the flaws that still exist in Brady’s game after all these years.

First, it’s the fact that he’s more susceptible to pressure getting to him in the pocket and making his level of play deteriorate more than usual. The Giants didn’t always get much pressure, but the few times they did, it was usually very successful in throwing Brady off his game.

The problem Brady has here is his lack of mobility to extend plays. When the Giants pressured Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith in the previous games, those quarterbacks rushed for 66 and 42 yards, respectively. They could move well enough to create positive plays for their teams. Brady doesn’t have the same ability, and in this game, he never scrambled once.

Then there are the tight throws into coverage. We saw Eli Manning make several of these in the game, including the biggest play: 38 yards to Manningham. They don’t all have to be deep balls, as Manning also gunned an 8-yard pass in to Victor Cruz in the fourth quarter in a tight window.

These are the types of throws that need to be made some times to have success. The Patriots do an incredible job of spreading the field with five good options to throw to, and no team does a better job of creating mismatches and getting receivers wide open.

But every quarterback is going to have plays where things don’t work, and they have to find that tight window to throw into, and Brady has not done a good enough job at that.

Chad Ochocinco had the longest gain of the night for New England; a mere 21 yards. In Brady’s five Super Bowls, his longest pass plays of the game have been 23 (Rams), 52 (Panthers), 27 (Eagles), 19 (Giants 2007), and 21 (Giants 2011) yards.


Brady has thrown 9 TD passes in his five Super Bowls. The distances on those plays are 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8, and 12 yards. The last came Sunday night to Aaron Hernandez.

In the two Super Bowls against the Giants, Brady is 0/13 with an interception on passes thrown 20+ yards. The Patriots rely on yards after the catch to get explosive plays, which isn’t always easy to do. Sometimes you just have to sling it.

Getting explosive plays makes scoring points easier, and it can help offset some of the ill effects of having awful starting field position like the Patriots did in this game (average drive was at the 16.1 which is even worse than the 2009 Colts in Super Bowl XLIV).

The 1st and 10th highest scoring teams in NFL history should be able to score more than 14-17 points against what are two of the worst statistical defenses to ever win a Super Bowl. But that’s what has happened in these two New England losses to the Giants. If Brady's not going to scramble and he's not going to make coverage throws, then he's just making it easier on the defense to defend him and his offense.

Brady should go down as the best short-ball passer in NFL history, but until he starts delivering the tougher throws, he’ll remain idolizing the likes of Joe Montana as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

Because he's not it.


Scott Kacsmar is a football researcher/writer who has contributed large quantities of data to Pro-Football-Reference.com, including the only standardized database of fourth quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. He is currently not welcomed in Denver, New England, Green Bay, and San Diego. You can send any questions or comments to Scott at [email protected] and you can follow him on Twitter at @CaptainComeback.

So, basically, you've got nothing, because that's what both PFF and CHFF brought to the table.
 
CHFF among all football related publications is the among the first that banged the drum for Brady:

In 2005, CHFF proclaimed Brady to be > Manning (a unusual/strange concept to most at the time), followed by Byrnes piece in 2010 picked up by SI:

Proclaimed the greatest cold weather QB of all time in 2010 (Jan & Dec):


There is no doubt that among serious fans of the NFL, that these pro Brady pieces had a massive positive effect on the debate surrounding Brady.

Then in Feb 2012, this piece:


By Scott Kacsmar
Cold, Hard Football Facts Comeback-ologist

We should probably drop that G.O.A.T. argument now.

What if we told you there was a quarterback in the last seven years that won two league MVP awards, won 78.4% of his regular season games, and had a 101.8 passer rating with a 203:63 TD-to-INT ratio? He led three of the 10 highest scoring teams in NFL history in that span.

Then what if we told you that same quarterback in the postseason had a 7-6 record (.538), 0-2 in the Super Bowl, lost two home playoff games by 26 points and had an 87.1 passer rating with a 27:17 TD-to-INT ratio? Finally, in those three historically high-scoring seasons, he lost in the playoffs by scoring only 14, 21 and 17 points (the 14 and 17 represent season-lows).

That is not a fictional quarterback at all. That is Tom Brady from 2005 to 2011.

Known as a “clutch winner” since early in his career, Brady won three Super Bowls and his first 10 playoff starts. But things have gone much differently since the last Super Bowl win, which is now eight seasons ago.

No longer has Brady been able to consistently pull out playoff wins, or even perform admirably in these games as he’s increased his regular season standards to much loftier levels.

Brady had a very uneven game in Super Bowl XLVI. With high expectations, he got off to as bad of a start as any quarterback ever has in the Super Bowl, helping the Giants register a safety on his first drop back with an intentional grounding in the end zone penalty.

But then Brady warmed up and would eventually complete a Super Bowl-record 16 straight passes. At one point, he was 20/23 with two passes batted at the line, and the intentional grounding.

That also means Brady finished the game 7/18 with an interception in the rest of the second half. They weren’t all bad passes, as a few were dropped; most notably a difficult catch Wes Welker failed to pull in late in the game. It doesn’t help when Rob Gronkowski is maybe 50% of his usual self.

For all the talk about Brady’s ability to take over a game with New England’s potent no-huddle offense, Brady only used it on ten plays, which just so happened to come during their two touchdown drives.

But this game also exposed the flaws that still exist in Brady’s game after all these years.

First, it’s the fact that he’s more susceptible to pressure getting to him in the pocket and making his level of play deteriorate more than usual. The Giants didn’t always get much pressure, but the few times they did, it was usually very successful in throwing Brady off his game.

The problem Brady has here is his lack of mobility to extend plays. When the Giants pressured Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith in the previous games, those quarterbacks rushed for 66 and 42 yards, respectively. They could move well enough to create positive plays for their teams. Brady doesn’t have the same ability, and in this game, he never scrambled once.

Then there are the tight throws into coverage. We saw Eli Manning make several of these in the game, including the biggest play: 38 yards to Manningham. They don’t all have to be deep balls, as Manning also gunned an 8-yard pass in to Victor Cruz in the fourth quarter in a tight window.

These are the types of throws that need to be made some times to have success. The Patriots do an incredible job of spreading the field with five good options to throw to, and no team does a better job of creating mismatches and getting receivers wide open.

But every quarterback is going to have plays where things don’t work, and they have to find that tight window to throw into, and Brady has not done a good enough job at that.

Chad Ochocinco had the longest gain of the night for New England; a mere 21 yards. In Brady’s five Super Bowls, his longest pass plays of the game have been 23 (Rams), 52 (Panthers), 27 (Eagles), 19 (Giants 2007), and 21 (Giants 2011) yards.


Brady has thrown 9 TD passes in his five Super Bowls. The distances on those plays are 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8, and 12 yards. The last came Sunday night to Aaron Hernandez.

In the two Super Bowls against the Giants, Brady is 0/13 with an interception on passes thrown 20+ yards. The Patriots rely on yards after the catch to get explosive plays, which isn’t always easy to do. Sometimes you just have to sling it.

Getting explosive plays makes scoring points easier, and it can help offset some of the ill effects of having awful starting field position like the Patriots did in this game (average drive was at the 16.1 which is even worse than the 2009 Colts in Super Bowl XLIV).

The 1st and 10th highest scoring teams in NFL history should be able to score more than 14-17 points against what are two of the worst statistical defenses to ever win a Super Bowl. But that’s what has happened in these two New England losses to the Giants. If Brady's not going to scramble and he's not going to make coverage throws, then he's just making it easier on the defense to defend him and his offense.

Brady should go down as the best short-ball passer in NFL history, but until he starts delivering the tougher throws, he’ll remain idolizing the likes of Joe Montana as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

Because he's not it.


Scott Kacsmar is a football researcher/writer who has contributed large quantities of data to Pro-Football-Reference.com, including the only standardized database of fourth quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. He is currently not welcomed in Denver, New England, Green Bay, and San Diego. You can send any questions or comments to Scott at [email protected] and you can follow him on Twitter at @CaptainComeback.
Obsessed much? Sounds like Brady boned your (you fill in the blank.)
 
Regarding CHFF and how they seemed to have changed their point of view, you are conflating viewpoints from two diametrically different writers. Don't forget that when CHFF first began most of the articles were written by Pats fan Kerry Byrne, who now spends much of his time as a food critic for the Herald; go and look at most of those 'before' links listed above and you will see that they were written by Byrne.

Scott Kacsmar now writes most of the articles for CHFF; he readily admits that his favorite player is Peyton Manning and his favorite team is the Steelers, and that soon becomes quite apparent if you happen to read any of his columns on a regular basis. He has long had a penchant for putting Brady down to implicitly pump Manning up, and has done the same with the Patriots as a whole in order to elevate the Steelers and Colts. Lo and behold, the links to the articles on CHFF that claim Brady is not very good or is overrated are written by Kacsmar.


While all their numbers, statistics and writing style come across as indisputable and unbiased evidence, the fact is that it has never been that way at all. And while both Byrne and Kacsmar may indeed be 'serious' writers, let's not imply that they are not biased or share the same viewpoint simply because they write on the same website.
 
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Every time PFF is cited, I feel it necessary to perform the following act;

 
Compared to what, chicken bones?
Yes among other things.



What a stupid question.

Don't blame me that is exactly what the numbers you posted imply.

Brady's downfield game is the least impressive part of his skill set, assuming we are not talking running the ball. BB has designed the passing game to maximize completion percentage, but, on those occasions when they have to go deeper to try and prove they are a threat, or when they are behind late, Brady isn't very good at it. Are you trying to tell me you haven't noticed it? Really?

Deep passes happen less than 2 times a game. No QB consistently completes a high percentage of them. Brady's deep throwing ability is as good as most any QB. When the receivers he is throwing to are not good deep receivers it will affect those numbers. The stats, broken down by who he is throwing to bear that out.
 
CHFF among all football related publications is the among the first that banged the drum for Brady:

In 2005, CHFF proclaimed Brady to be > Manning (a unusual/strange concept to most at the time), followed by Byrnes piece in 2010 picked up by SI:

Proclaimed the greatest cold weather QB of all time in 2010 (Jan & Dec):


There is no doubt that among serious fans of the NFL, that these pro Brady pieces had a massive positive effect on the debate surrounding Brady.

Then in Feb 2012, this piece:


By Scott Kacsmar
Cold, Hard Football Facts Comeback-ologist

We should probably drop that G.O.A.T. argument now.

What if we told you there was a quarterback in the last seven years that won two league MVP awards, won 78.4% of his regular season games, and had a 101.8 passer rating with a 203:63 TD-to-INT ratio? He led three of the 10 highest scoring teams in NFL history in that span.

Then what if we told you that same quarterback in the postseason had a 7-6 record (.538), 0-2 in the Super Bowl, lost two home playoff games by 26 points and had an 87.1 passer rating with a 27:17 TD-to-INT ratio? Finally, in those three historically high-scoring seasons, he lost in the playoffs by scoring only 14, 21 and 17 points (the 14 and 17 represent season-lows).

That is not a fictional quarterback at all. That is Tom Brady from 2005 to 2011.

Known as a “clutch winner” since early in his career, Brady won three Super Bowls and his first 10 playoff starts. But things have gone much differently since the last Super Bowl win, which is now eight seasons ago.

No longer has Brady been able to consistently pull out playoff wins, or even perform admirably in these games as he’s increased his regular season standards to much loftier levels.

Brady had a very uneven game in Super Bowl XLVI. With high expectations, he got off to as bad of a start as any quarterback ever has in the Super Bowl, helping the Giants register a safety on his first drop back with an intentional grounding in the end zone penalty.

But then Brady warmed up and would eventually complete a Super Bowl-record 16 straight passes. At one point, he was 20/23 with two passes batted at the line, and the intentional grounding.

That also means Brady finished the game 7/18 with an interception in the rest of the second half. They weren’t all bad passes, as a few were dropped; most notably a difficult catch Wes Welker failed to pull in late in the game. It doesn’t help when Rob Gronkowski is maybe 50% of his usual self.

For all the talk about Brady’s ability to take over a game with New England’s potent no-huddle offense, Brady only used it on ten plays, which just so happened to come during their two touchdown drives.

But this game also exposed the flaws that still exist in Brady’s game after all these years.

First, it’s the fact that he’s more susceptible to pressure getting to him in the pocket and making his level of play deteriorate more than usual. The Giants didn’t always get much pressure, but the few times they did, it was usually very successful in throwing Brady off his game.

The problem Brady has here is his lack of mobility to extend plays. When the Giants pressured Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith in the previous games, those quarterbacks rushed for 66 and 42 yards, respectively. They could move well enough to create positive plays for their teams. Brady doesn’t have the same ability, and in this game, he never scrambled once.

Then there are the tight throws into coverage. We saw Eli Manning make several of these in the game, including the biggest play: 38 yards to Manningham. They don’t all have to be deep balls, as Manning also gunned an 8-yard pass in to Victor Cruz in the fourth quarter in a tight window.

These are the types of throws that need to be made some times to have success. The Patriots do an incredible job of spreading the field with five good options to throw to, and no team does a better job of creating mismatches and getting receivers wide open.

But every quarterback is going to have plays where things don’t work, and they have to find that tight window to throw into, and Brady has not done a good enough job at that.

Chad Ochocinco had the longest gain of the night for New England; a mere 21 yards. In Brady’s five Super Bowls, his longest pass plays of the game have been 23 (Rams), 52 (Panthers), 27 (Eagles), 19 (Giants 2007), and 21 (Giants 2011) yards.


Brady has thrown 9 TD passes in his five Super Bowls. The distances on those plays are 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8, and 12 yards. The last came Sunday night to Aaron Hernandez.

In the two Super Bowls against the Giants, Brady is 0/13 with an interception on passes thrown 20+ yards. The Patriots rely on yards after the catch to get explosive plays, which isn’t always easy to do. Sometimes you just have to sling it.

Getting explosive plays makes scoring points easier, and it can help offset some of the ill effects of having awful starting field position like the Patriots did in this game (average drive was at the 16.1 which is even worse than the 2009 Colts in Super Bowl XLIV).

The 1st and 10th highest scoring teams in NFL history should be able to score more than 14-17 points against what are two of the worst statistical defenses to ever win a Super Bowl. But that’s what has happened in these two New England losses to the Giants. If Brady's not going to scramble and he's not going to make coverage throws, then he's just making it easier on the defense to defend him and his offense.

Brady should go down as the best short-ball passer in NFL history, but until he starts delivering the tougher throws, he’ll remain idolizing the likes of Joe Montana as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

Because he's not it.


Scott Kacsmar is a football researcher/writer who has contributed large quantities of data to Pro-Football-Reference.com, including the only standardized database of fourth quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. He is currently not welcomed in Denver, New England, Green Bay, and San Diego. You can send any questions or comments to Scott at [email protected] and you can follow him on Twitter at @CaptainComeback.

Your argument is copying one weak article?
 
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