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Patriots Rumor ESPN hitpiece on Patriots (Rift with Brady/Belichick/Kraft) - Merged

A report indicating the Patriots are potentially in the market for this player, or have expressed or plant to express interest.
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Witnesing the deaththroughs of bspn? The failing bspn is trying to stir up clicks with its annual sht stirring surrounding the pats and the super bowl. I'mm surprised they put this out so early in the tournament and not closer to an actual game.
Yep, would have expected that to come next week at this time, right before the Divisional game.
 
Witnesing the deaththroughs of bspn? The failing bspn is trying to stir up clicks with its annual sht stirring surrounding the pats and the super bowl. I'mm surprised they put this out so early in the tournament and not closer to an actual game.

Espn has been trying to derail the pats on their super bowl run for years. It usually backfires.
 
Witnesing the deaththroughs of bspn? The failing bspn is trying to stir up clicks with its annual sht stirring surrounding the pats and the super bowl. I'mm surprised they put this out so early in the tournament and not closer to an actual game.

They wanted to have the weekend to let it fester so BB and co. will be bombarded by questions they won't answer next week.
 
Rules for 'public figures" like Brady/Belichick and Kraft are different. It is based on NY Times v Sullivan where you have to prove actual malice, meaning knowing of the actual falsehood or reckless indifference to the truth and is very difficult to prove.

You're right, but if there is evidence that the information in a story is recklessly gathered and/or not well checked, a claim for libel probably gets to a jury, so ESPN would have to produce evidence to show they gathered facts and checked them.
 
Franchising him for a ridiculous amount of money is the other option.

I think that was in play given that's what they did with cassel, but much of this is hindsight......nobody talked like this until after jimmy went 5-0.......

we will find out soon enough if there is any kind of rift between kraft and bb

as for bb and brady, one is not going to quit because of the other........they've dealt with enough over the years where their skin is thickened
 
Aren’t they both under contract?
 
It was a steal, leaving Patriots staffers stunned and confused. Why would the game's shrewdest long-term strategist trade two backup quarterbacks in a two-month span when his starter was 40 years old and banged up? And why did Belichick practically give away a quarterback whom the coaches saw as a potential top-10 player for much less than he could have gotten last spring? It made no sense.

If any "Patriots staffers" were "stunned and confused", they must know far less about how the cap works than many posters on this forum.

Brissett was traded for a WR (Dorsett) after it was clear that the Pats' #1 and #3 WRs (Edelman, Mitchell) from the end of last season wouldn't be playing this season. It's highly unlikely that this was some arbitrary, impulsive decision that BB made on his own. It's far more likely that Caserio and the entire pro-scouting department were involved and that the trade was based on one of their many contingency plans. It's very likely that there were other WRs and trade scenarios under consideration that fell within the constraints of "trade ammunition" in terms of players and future draft picks, and 2017 cap hit.

This is how most pro-personnel scouting departments work. BB's "genius" when it comes to acquiring players to fill in is having the smarts to employ one of the sharpest and hardest-working pro-personnel department in the league.

The trade that actually occurred - Brissett for Dorsett - was simply the first one they attempted and was probably the most affordable.

... for much less than he could have gotten last spring ...

This is speculation based on unconfirmed rumor being submitted as fact. IOW, pure ********.

... practically give away a quarterback ...

An opinion based on the above ********.

At the eleventh hour, the Pats (again, NOT some arbitrary, impulsive decision that BB made on his own) were able to get a pick for JG that would likely fall in the top-40, instead of a Comp pick that would likely have been outside the top-100. Nearly a two-round difference. And it was their last opportunity to get that much. It should also be noted that, prior to that trade, the Pats were entering the 2018 draft with five total picks.

But the most important factual context being ignored is that, before the start of Camp ...
- Nink hadn't retired
- Rivers hadn't gotten injured
- McClellin hadn't gotten injured
- Cy Jones hadn't gotten injured
- Edelman hadn't gotten injured
- Mitchell had yet to suffer the injury that sent him to IR
- Valentine had yet to suffer the injury that sent him to IR
- Langi, Hightower, Ebner, Cannon ....
- Bennett (and his cap hit) had yet to be claimed (happened after Hogan was injured)
--- and the Pats had ~$25M in cap space, most of which might have been rolled over into 2018 ... and helped to cover a potential Franchise tag for JG that would have bought the Pats more time to make a final decision for the long term future of the team - outside the distraction and pressure of a season already underway.

The Pats now have less than $3M in cap space available to roll over - due to the roster moves that needed to be made to compensate for all those missing players. By the time the trade deadline rolled around, their financial opportunity to retain JG for one more off-season on the FT had completely evaporated. It was down to either letting JG walk in FA for a 3rd-round Comp, or trying to get something more.

At that point, which do you trade? JG? Or the veteran who has you sitting at 6-2 while completing 68% of his throws for 2540 yards, 16 TDs (vs two INTs) despite a passing attack that had to be re-engineered at the last minute due to critical injuries? Also note that Hogan - yet another critical passing attack weapon - was known to be seriously injured before the trade. Given those circumstances, which of the two QBs do you think would have the best chance of getting the team to the playoffs and at least a shot at another Superbowl this season?

I have to say, though, that Wickersham has done a bang-up job of combining a willful ignorance of all this with speculation about the meaning of the Guerrero ******** and cartoonish characterizations of Brady, Belichick, Kraft and the entire organization to successfully appeal to the sub-90 IQ level of what remains of ESPN's audience.

**** ESPN. **** Wickersham. And **** all those other assholes in media like him who, with every word they write or utter, make our country dumber.
 
They wanted to have the weekend to let it fester so BB and co. will be bombarded by questions they won't answer next week.

if its BS, it's BS.......everyone relevant to the team will laugh it off.......even if it isn't, they've managed to stay focused through all kinds of noise.......I'd say it does not effect this year playoffs, but the offseason could be interesting if there is any truth at all
 
I am so tired of crackpot "journalists" trying to remain relevant by making up $h!+ about the Patriots. Oh yeah, BSPN, the pariah of sports "journalism" right now has the inside scoop. Right. Don't click. Don't read it. Can we ever just have a nice clean Super Bowl run?

It sickens and amazes me that on the few times I scroll through sports radio that John Tomase, another sports "journalism" "great" still has a job in Boston sports. WTF?
 
Franchising him for a ridiculous amount of money is the other option.

It was not even an option because we didnt have that money.

Trying to dig that up starts a chain reaction where you have to release/restructure players which affects the overall team building, redo Bradys deal because he certainly wont play for less than his backup and then do this all over again in a year.
 
Jeff Howe is about to come on the Dan Patrick Show.
 
Zolak, on the air, just said flat out that the TB12 incident didn't happen.
Which one, the one where Garoppolo was supposedly locked out?
 
If any "Patriots staffers" were "stunned and confused", they must know far less about how the cap works than many posters on this forum.

Brissett was traded for a WR (Dorsett) after it was clear that the Pats' #1 and #3 WRs (Edelman, Mitchell) from the end of last season wouldn't be playing this season. It's highly unlikely that this was some arbitrary, impulsive decision that BB made on his own. It's far more likely that Caserio and the entire pro-scouting department were involved and that the trade was based on one of their many contingency plans. It's very likely that there were other WRs and trade scenarios under consideration that fell within the constraints of "trade ammunition" in terms of players and future draft picks, and 2017 cap hit.

This is how most pro-personnel scouting departments work. BB's "genius" when it comes to acquiring players to fill in is having the smarts to employ one of the sharpest and hardest-working pro-personnel department in the league.

The trade that actually occurred - Brissett for Dorsett - was simply the first one they attempted and was probably the most affordable.



This is speculation based on unconfirmed rumor being submitted as fact. IOW, pure ********.



An opinion based on the above ********.

At the eleventh hour, the Pats (again, NOT some arbitrary, impulsive decision that BB made on his own) were able to get a pick for JG that would likely fall in the top-40, instead of a Comp pick that would likely have been outside the top-100. Nearly a two-round difference. And it was their last opportunity to get that much. It should also be noted that, prior to that trade, the Pats were entering the 2018 draft with five total picks.

But the most important factual context being ignored is that, before the start of Camp ...
- Nink hadn't retired
- Rivers hadn't gotten injured
- McClellin hadn't gotten injured
- Cy Jones hadn't gotten injured
- Edelman hadn't gotten injured
- Mitchell had yet to suffer the injury that sent him to IR
- Valentine had yet to suffer the injury that sent him to IR
- Langi, Hightower, Ebner, Cannon ....
- Bennett (and his cap hit) had yet to be claimed (happened after Hogan was injured)
--- and the Pats had ~$25M in cap space, most of which might have been rolled over into 2018 ... and helped to cover a potential Franchise tag for JG that would have bought the Pats more time to make a final decision for the long term future of the team - outside the distraction and pressure of a season already underway.

The Pats now have less than $3M in cap space available to roll over - due to the roster moves that needed to be made to compensate for all those missing players. By the time the trade deadline rolled around, their financial opportunity to retain JG for one more off-season on the FT had completely evaporated. It was down to either letting JG walk in FA for a 3rd-round Comp, or trying to get something more.

At that point, which do you trade? JG? Or the veteran who has you sitting at 6-2 while completing 68% of his throws for 2540 yards, 16 TDs (vs two INTs) despite a passing attack that had to be re-engineered at the last minute due to critical injuries? Also note that Hogan - yet another critical passing attack weapon - was known to be seriously injured before the trade. Given those circumstances, which of the two QBs do you think would have the best chance of getting the team to the playoffs and at least a shot at another Superbowl this season?

I have to say, though, that Wickersham has done a bang-up job of combining a willful ignorance of all this with speculation about the meaning of the Guerrero ******** and cartoonish characterizations of Brady, Belichick, Kraft and the entire organization to successfully appeal to the sub-90 IQ level of what remains of ESPN's audience.

**** ESPN. **** Wickersham. And **** all those other assholes in media like him who, with every word they write or utter, make our country dumber.

Amen! Great post!
 
watch pats trade brady to arizona.....they love old guys

Brady instantly makes the Cards an NFC Championship contender, but Hoyer takes the Pats to their third consecutive Superbowl.
 
Wait, Wickersham now claims to have some knowledge of the team’s private evaluations of Tom Brady? Come on!
 
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