Envious of that Seattle Defense.

[PatriotsPimp136]

Most of the people on here pining for the Seahawks defense are one's that rushed to the giants/bengals game thread because the giants sacked Dalton on 2 consecutive plays last night, talking about how "now that's a pass rush", failing to realize that the giants pass rush has been f**king terrible this season, only had 11 sacks going into last night and 3 of them were from their S. Paid how much to Vernon and Pierre-Paul? and had 11 sacks and that's with sending 6 or more pass rushers 40% of the time.

Their corners are good though. I still feel the cowboys are better even though they lost to the giants.

 

[luuked]

Most of the people on here pining for the Seahawks defense are one's that rushed to the giants/bengals game thread because the giants sacked Dalton on 2 consecutive plays last night, talking about how "now that's a pass rush", failing to realize that the giants pass rush has been f**king terrible this season, only had 11 sacks going into last night and 3 of them were from their S. Paid how much to Vernon and Pierre-Paul? and had 11 sacks and that's with sending 6 or more pass rushers 40% of the time.

Unfortunately, we live in the fantasy football era where highlight clips determine about who is a good player. If you can't get the highlight clips you are overrated.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Unfortunately, we live in the fantasy football era where highlight clips determine about who is a good player. If you can't get the highlight clips you are overrated.

Well the giants defense played well last night but then again it's against the crappy bungles.

 

[luuked]

Well the giants defense played well last night but then again it's against the crappy bungles.

The only thing that matters is who plays well once we are in January. Until then the only important thing is to collect wins. The road to January is filled with injuires, suspensions and other teams figuring you out.

As long as we get the job done and things are starting to trend into the right direction I don't care if we win the next 7 games by shutouts or all by just 1 point.

 

[PF_SU]

I am a fan of Seattle's D, but in the end it's also in part to economics. As I said earlier in this thread, the Seahawks spend $75.6 million of their cap on their defense. Of which $38.6 go to their secondary. Meanwhile their offensive line only gets $8.7 million. If Brady played behind that OL we can watch him host his retirement party after this year. It's the same thing with the Broncos. They spend $76.9 million on defense. The Seahawks are 29th in offensive cap hit and the Broncos 30th.

Meanwhile the Patriots' defense is on the books for $52.5 million. Only six teams (Lions, Saints, Redskins, Falcons, Browns and Panthers) spend less. The Patriots offense takes a cap hit of $74.4 million, good for 9th in the league.

Well. The Patriots are scheduled for a big defensive makeover next year. Right now, before any cuts, only $33.5 million are booked by defenders ($60.1 million by offensive players). A selected list of (youngish) defenders that are scheduled to hit the market (before any cuts):

DTs: Kawann Short, Johnathan Hankins, Dontari Poe, Sylvester Williams, Brandon Williams, Nick Fairley, Lawrence Guy, Bennie Logan
DEs: Jason Pierre-Paul, John Simon, Courtney Upshaw, Nick Perry, Melvin Ingram, Chandler Jones, Alex Okafor, Jabaal Sheard, Shaquil Barrett (RFA)
LBs: Jarvis Jones, Jamie Collins, Dont'a Hightower, Malcolm Smith, Jelani Jenkins, Keenan Robinson, Manti Te'o, Zach Brown, Kevin Minter, Kiko Alonso (RFA), Zach Orr (RFA)
CBs: Trumaine Johnson, Prince Amukamara, Stephon Gilmore, Morris Claiborne, Chris Culliver, Dre Kirkpatrick, Micah Hyde, A.J. Bouye, Marcus Cooper, Ricardo Allen (RFA), Malcolm Butler (RFA), Marcus Williams (RFA),
Safeties: Eric Berry, Chris Conte, Darian Stewart, Matt Elam, Tony Jefferson, D.J. Swearinger, Jonathan Cyprien

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I am a fan of Seattle's D, but in the end it's also in part to economics. As I said earlier in this thread, the Seahawks spend $75.6 million of their cap on their defense. Of which $38.6 go to their secondary. Meanwhile their offensive line only gets $8.7 million. If Brady played behind that OL we can watch him host his retirement party after this year. It's the same thing with the Broncos. They spend $76.9 million on defense. The Seahawks are 29th in offensive cap hit and the Broncos 30th.

Meanwhile the Patriots' defense is on the books for $52.5 million. Only six teams (Lions, Saints, Redskins, Falcons, Browns and Panthers) spend less. The Patriots offense takes a cap hit of $74.4 million, good for 9th in the league.

Well. The Patriots are scheduled for a big defensive makeover next year. Right now, before any cuts, only $33.5 million are booked by defenders ($60.1 million by offensive players). A selected list of (youngish) defenders that are scheduled to hit the market (before any cuts):

DTs: Kawann Short, Johnathan Hankins, Dontari Poe, Sylvester Williams, Brandon Williams, Nick Fairley, Lawrence Guy, Bennie Logan
DEs: Jason Pierre-Paul, John Simon, Courtney Upshaw, Nick Perry, Melvin Ingram, Chandler Jones, Alex Okafor, Jabaal Sheard, Shaquil Barrett (RFA)
LBs: Jarvis Jones, Jamie Collins, Dont'a Hightower, Malcolm Smith, Jelani Jenkins, Keenan Robinson, Manti Te'o, Zach Brown, Kevin Minter, Kiko Alonso (RFA), Zach Orr (RFA)
CBs: Trumaine Johnson, Prince Amukamara, Stephon Gilmore, Morris Claiborne, Chris Culliver, Dre Kirkpatrick, Micah Hyde, A.J. Bouye, Marcus Cooper, Ricardo Allen (RFA), Malcolm Butler (RFA), Marcus Williams (RFA),
Safeties: Eric Berry, Chris Conte, Darian Stewart, Matt Elam, Tony Jefferson, D.J. Swearinger, Jonathan Cyprien

Love trumaine johnson. You don't hear much about him cause he play's for a lousy team.

 

[PF_SU]

Love trumaine johnson. You don't hear much about him cause he play's for a lousy team.

Talent-wise he'd be a great addition, but I doubt Belichick is ready to pay big money in the long-term for two CBs with Butler also waiting to get paid.

The D-line though needs a complete rebuild. Right now of the starting front four only Malcom Brown is signed (unless you count Nink as starter). Seeing the talent level of the FAs... Jones will get paid, he's the top pass-rusher next year. Good for him. Hard for me to gauge how much Perry and Ingram will command. Broncos will probably keep Barrett with DeMarcus Ware set to be FA.

As for DTs, Short is the biggest name out there, but Bennie Logan's an interesting guy. Good run stopper and can also get a couple of sacks here and there. Wonder what happened to Dontari Poe, didn't get to hear his name that often last year and this year.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Talent-wise he'd be a great addition, but I doubt Belichick is ready to pay big money in the long-term for two CBs with Butler also waiting to get paid.

The D-line though needs a complete rebuild. Right now of the starting front four only Malcom Brown is signed (unless you count Nink as starter). Seeing the talent level of the FAs... Jones will get paid, he's the top pass-rusher next year. Good for him. Hard for me to gauge how much Perry and Ingram will command. Broncos will probably keep Barrett with DeMarcus Ware set to be FA.

As for DTs, Short is the biggest name out there, but Bennie Logan's an interesting guy. Good run stopper and can also get a couple of sacks here and there. Wonder what happened to Dontari Poe, didn't get to hear his name that often last year and this year.

Idk. We won't resign everyone but if the defense fails them in the end then i can see bill going after a big defensive player assuming we resign the most important players on this team. They can clear up more cap space as well.

 

[Mogamedogz]

In your most honest moment... Every single person here would swap out our defense for the Seahawks. It's OK to admit it. They have studs all over the place. Playmakers. My GOD our offense with that defense would quite possibly equal the greatest football team to ever walk the planet.

I'm sorry, but if you cant see that, you are absolutely blinded by homerism.

 

[juny]

I am a fan of Seattle's D, but in the end it's also in part to economics. As I said earlier in this thread, the Seahawks spend $75.6 million of their cap on their defense. Of which $38.6 go to their secondary. Meanwhile their offensive line only gets $8.7 million. If Brady played behind that OL we can watch him host his retirement party after this year. It's the same thing with the Broncos. They spend $76.9 million on defense. The Seahawks are 29th in offensive cap hit and the Broncos 30th.

Bolded part above -- why it was so frustrating to see wilson get all the time in the world vs the pats.

 

[fnordcircle]

Why can't we get coaches like that?

 

[JMC00]

Why can't we get coaches like that?

Remember that time Pete the cheerleader took a SB team and ruined it and then Belichick came in and within a year had built a dynasty team?

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[JMC00]

So they give it to guys that make one play because other than that I don't think Chancellor played a "defensive player of the week" type game.

Had a really bad missed tackle that let Bennett get 20-25 more yards, on the drive that Blount scored his 3rd TD?

 

[Dorito Dink]

Again this team doesn't sniff a ring without revis. Is that hard to grasp? He allowed our defense to do certain things and be creative. Best move belichick has made up until what has happened now with this defense.

Your statement doesn't really mesh with reality. In the regular season? Sure. In the postseason? Not so much. The offense was, by far, the catalyst to winning Super Bowl 49. It's not even a discussion.

Ravens: comeback from 14 point deficits twice to score 35 points against a team that allowed 18.9 PPG all year. Defense gives up 31 points to an offense that averaged 25 all year.
Colts: do I even need to talk about this? We dropped 45 points in an AFC Championship game. Sure, D played well giving up 7 points to a team that averaged 28, but that game was out of reach from the onset. Colts suck.
Seahawks: comeback from 10 points down in the 4th quarter to score 28 points against a defense that was considered one of the best of all-time, allowing 15.9 PPG all season. Defense gives up 24 points to a team that averaged 24 all year.

We won in 2014 because of our offense. Period.

 

[Dorito Dink]

In your most honest moment... Every single person here would swap out our defense for the Seahawks. It's OK to admit it. They have studs all over the place. Playmakers. My GOD our offense with that defense would quite possibly equal the greatest football team to ever walk the planet.

I'm sorry, but if you cant see that, you are absolutely blinded by homerism.

Has anybody said that though? If so, give them the scarlet A. I think most people are just saying that our defense is not as bad as so many are making it out to be. Sure, they played like sh*t on Sunday night. Bad games happen.

Overall, I still take our team over their team, as currently constructed.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Your statement doesn't really mesh with reality. In the regular season? Sure. In the postseason? Not so much. The offense was, by far, the catalyst to winning Super Bowl 49. It's not even a discussion.

Ravens: comeback from 14 point deficits twice to score 35 points against a team that allowed 18.9 PPG all year. Defense gives up 31 points to an offense that averaged 25 all year.
Colts: do I even need to talk about this? We dropped 45 points in an AFC Championship game. Sure, D played well giving up 7 points to a team that averaged 28, but that game was out of reach from the onset. Colts suck.
Seahawks: comeback from 10 points down in the 4th quarter to score 28 points against a defense that was considered one of the best of all-time, allowing 15.9 PPG all season. Defense gives up 24 points to a team that averaged 24 all year.

We won in 2014 because of our offense. Period.

The offense doesn't get those chances because of our defense. Take revis out of the equation and they don't make those stops. You really are downplaying revis's importance in the playoffs

 

[Sicilian]

In your most honest moment... Every single person here would swap out our defense for the Seahawks. It's OK to admit it. They have studs all over the place. Playmakers. My GOD our offense with that defense would quite possibly equal the greatest football team to ever walk the planet.

I'm sorry, but if you cant see that, you are absolutely blinded by homerism.

If you combined our offense with their defense, you'd be over the salary cap by about $20m.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Has anybody said that though? If so, give them the scarlet A. I think most people are just saying that our defense is not as bad as so many are making it out to be. Sure, they played like sh*t on Sunday night. Bad games happen.

Overall, I still take our team over their team, as currently constructed.

The jury was out on the defense and they gave up 31 against a team with a weak offensive line. They need to play better on defense. People are getting flashbacks of 2011 with this defense.

 

[Mack Herron]

So they give it to guys that make one play because other than that I don't think Chancellor played a "defensive player of the week" type game.

Had a really bad missed tackle that let Bennett get 20-25 more yards, on the drive that Blount scored his 3rd TD?

Hawks went up against the league's best offense and did an outstanding job. The secondary did a super job on our receivers as Bennett was the only one who could find any consistency. They really put a lid on Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Mitchell, Hogan, and White, who struggled to get open all day and paid the price when they did.