Drake Vs Vrabel

[signbabybrady]

I guess we all could have predicted that you hate Vrabel too.

 

[Zuma]

 

[Horace's Ivories]

Sorry, what were the options again?

 

[TheRainMaker]

The Millennials like myself had it good. By the time I fully got into football as teenager in the early-mid 90's, the Pats were building the team that ended up making the Super Bowl in 1996 and AFC contenders from 1997-1999. Those years were exciting, but tough because they had many parts to compete for the AFC. However, injuries, bad drafting and personnel moves are undefeated. I thought it was over after the 2000 season and it was going to be blown up soon. Just like Drew Bledsoe thought, I didn't think Tom Brady was going to be on the team for long as they just signed backup John Friez (2000), Damon Huard (2001) and drafted Michael Bishop. The early dynasty days were the best.

Late Millennials and early Gen Z really had it good as they walked into title contention every year post 2004.

Now it's come full circle for late Gen Z and Alpha witnessing what I did in the early 90's where it could be 1996 all over again.

 

[Wozzy]

This conversation dates back to the write-in Bart Starr versus Vince Lombardi debate that raged in the Green Bay Press-Gazette in the 1960’s. It was had by factory workers exposed to high levels of lead poisoning.

 

[Vindicate]

It's both. Thread over. Clear out, kids, there will be more in the "Who's More Important" franchise of threads throughout the year. You'll have plenty of opportunity to affix your lips to your own ass and nose to your own farts as we go deeper into the season and are burdened with incredibly important arguments that never really illuminate much about actual football, but rather who's best at moving goal posts.

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[KCSVEN]

I'd say they lose: Bills, Saints, Falcons, Bucs without Maye but they lose those with Mayo/Van Pelt instead of Vrabel/McDaniels. A third option should be 50/50 between them though McDaniels needs to be factored in.

They hired Ben Johnson they might have a similar record. Nothing is more important than a QB, especially an elite one. Thus, I voted Maye.

I'm just happy they have both.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'd say they lose: Bills, Saints, Falcons, Bucs without Maye but they lose those with Mayo/Van Pelt instead of Vrabel/McDaniels. A third option should be 50/50 between them though McDaniels needs to be factored in.

They hired Ben Johnson they might have a similar record. Nothing is more important than a QB, especially an elite one. Thus, I voted Maye.

I'm just happy they have both.

The primary reason for Maye making such a leap his second year is coaching, that seems indisputable. Both learned observers and Maye himself have described incremental enhancements made since the season started that explain this. Of course, Maye has the physical ability and smarts to put superior instruction into practice.

As with "Brady or BB," the "Drake or Vrabel" question = a pointless exercise for those who don't understand the pro game.

A thoroughbred sans skilled jockey doesn't win on his own.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Late Millennials and early Gen Z really had it good as they walked into title contention ever year post 2004.

Now it's come full circle for late Gen Z and Alpha witnessing what I did in the early 90's where it could be 1996 all over again.

You guys really don't learn history anymore, do you...

 

[Wozzy]

"Who is more important" is the lowest IQ football conversation possible.

A great coach can't win without players, and all players collectively... not just the QB.

A great QB can't win with poor coaching or poor players around him... period.

The reason the Patriots are winning now is the net sum of their franchise, from the top down.

Maye was here last year, he played very well on a terrible team.

You just didn't notice because he was running for his life.

 

[signbabybrady]

"Who is more important" is the lowest IQ football conversation possible.

Oh I agree, but this is Patsfans so when in Rome......

 

[amfootball]

Who is most important to the turn around so far Vrabel or Drake?

OK Folks I didn't make the rules in fact I don't even like them but Patsfans has spoken and the rules have been firmly set forth in the Brady forum and in the Bill mega thread you are only allowed to choose one (and no Josh doesn't count sub rules firmly set forth coordinators don't count)

Josh

 

[InRodWeRust]

This is like asking what came first; the tomato or the tomato. . . .

 

[Wozzy]

To emphasize my point…



Matt Stafford couldn't win a single playoff game over 12 years in Detroit, he only made the playoffs 3 times in 12 years and lost them all.

One season with the Rams, he won 4 playoff games including a ring. He won 4 more playoff games in one season with the Rams than he won in 12 years in Detroit… despite playing at a Pro Bowl level.

And Goff, he lost two more games with the Lions with the team he inherited from Stafford. Goff who made the Super Bowl a year prior with the Rams.

The difference between Goff (good) and Stafford (very good/great) was about two games. QB's are good for about 15-20% of the credit depending how good or great they are.

It's hard to win a ring, even if the Pats made it look easy. It was never Brady alone, it was never Belichick alone… it was the team.

Fans lose perspective and attribute magical powers to QB’s. QB’s without offensive lineman are screwed, QB’s without defense can post fantasy stats but are screwed when it comes to winning games. It takes a team. Football is easy to understand once you accept this fact.

Team is more important than the QB, or even the head coach. Sorry if that’s an inconvenient truth for fanboys.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You guys really don't learn history anymore, do you...

I don't know what you mean by this.

 

[Vindicate]

Maybe we could make this thread more interesting and really hold it up to its name: who would win in a fight? A freakazoid, yet older Vrabel? Or the stoic young buck in Maye?

If Vrabel is his prime self, I take him 100/100 times. But the man is 50 now. But still an animal. Maye is calm. Collected. But there is a killer somewhere deep in there.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I don't know what you mean by this.

you said "Late Millennials and early Gen Z really had it good as they walked into title contention ever year post 2004."

in 2003 and 2004 the Pats weren't just in title contention, they won it all, so your post looks like you were saying the good luck for Pats fans began in 2005. So the joke there is that you looked like you didn't know the history of that run at the "what happened which year" level.

 

[sb1]

Vrabel is a much, MUCH better coach than Belichick was after Super Bowl 53. In every possible way that one can be better at their job.

And yet it's still always the player over the coach no matter what.

The end.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Maybe we could make this thread more interesting and really hold it up to its name: who would win in a fight? A freakazoid, yet older Vrabel? Or the stoic young buck in Maye?

If Vrabel is his prime self, I take him 100/100 times. But the man is 50 now. But still an animal. Maye is calm. Collected. But there is a killer somewhere deep in there.

Vrabel would look at Drake "Drake Maye" Maye and realize that he's too lovable to fight. I think Vrabel would be too much of a Drake Maye lover to be a Drake Maye fighter.