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  1. dex13

    dex13 On the Game Day Roster

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    Edelman was 94th percentile...we didnt draft Welker. It's been a receiver evaluation staple for a while...just something that BB seems to favor.

    simply, quickness is favored over straight line speed. makes sense with all the short to intermediate cross routes the Pats favor.
     
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    Kasmir Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    So how bad do you think Belichick is? Worst Of All Time or just below average? Who would you rather have as coach right now? As GM? Who is worse than Belichick as a coach? As a GM?
     
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  3. Patsgofor4

    Patsgofor4 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    How about the offense's ability to compensate for Tommy's unwillingness to stand in the pocket in the face of pressure over the past 2+ years and inability to extend plays that break down because he has the agility and elusiveness of Herman Munster?

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  4. dex13

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    and BB drafted Jordan Richards...sorry to say but BB doesn't hold my opinion too high when it comes down to which evaluation metrics should be used. Actually Welker was slow a the 3 cone but he was before Brady started to really favor timing routes.
     
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  5. UptownPatsFan

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    They had excellent 3-cones.

    Welker: 7.09
    Edelman: 6.62

    BB has often said that Deion Branch is the quickest WR he’s ever coached. He had a 6.71 3-cone.
     
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  6. PittPatriot

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    I agree.
    To me, the 3 cone equates to quickness and ability to change directions quickly.
    I can see how that’s more of a game application than the 40yd dash.
     
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    Yeah which is indicative that some part of the scouting process ****ed up.

    The issue is not where Richards was taken but how he got such a high internal grade in the first place. I don't really see an obvious issue with using the 3-cone as a more useful proxy for all the different shades of game speed. At least its more relevant than the 40yd time.
     
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  9. dex13

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    BB seemed to be on a high character kick for that pick...kinda like when McDaniels drafted that QB for Denver.
     
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    Ring 6 PatsFans.com Wall of Fame Member

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    You just can’t use individual picks to analyze a philosophy. There are dozens of reasons why pick turn out good or bad and ultimately half the players are overrated and half are underrated. But the bottom line to any evaluation of draft prospects is the understanding that other than a very select few every player in the draft will stink if they don’t improve after being drafted.
    Predicting that is a crapshoot.
     
  11. dex13

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    welker wasn't drafted by BB and he was just killing the Pats whenever they played the Dolphins...so not a good comp for draft discussion
     
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    Richards just got a one year contract extension for the Ravens after joining them in October of last year. If he makes the team again it will be his 6th year in the league. He's not as bad as folks here say, although I agree he was a disappointing pick and didn't contribute much when he was here.
     
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    It just wasn't a good fit for Richards...football that is.
     
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    TheRainMaker In the Starting Line-Up

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    You'll come around eventually.
     
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    TheRainMaker In the Starting Line-Up

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    Those questions can be answered in time.

    Need to see what life's like without his security blanket.
     
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  16. Ras-IR Dowling

    Ras-IR Dowling Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Caserio had input on the Richards pick.
     
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  17. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I'm sure that some GM's won't draft someone without a 40 year dash time. Well, Bill won't draft without a 3 cone time. Is this the factor that causes a player to be chosen. No, but it is part of the necessary data.
     
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  18. zydecochris

    zydecochris PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    ??? That chart must be a mistake, I hear that BB sucks as a GM. ;)
     
  19. BaconGrundleCandy

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    We've definitely had some stinkers but I don't understand how some think he's bad.

    I swear it's hearing the same names over & over & people get disappointed if the NFL disagrees.

    I gave them a B days ago and still feel the same way. Maybe B- but it wasn't a bad draft imo. Just not what people wanted.
     
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  20. PittPatriot

    PittPatriot PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Actually, maybe it is.
    How many opportunities did the Pats have to draft Welker in 2004?
    They decided to go with PK Sam over the guy who would be TB12’s greatest security blanket over almost 1/4 of his career.
    I am not faulting them, It just goes to show how flawed the entire scouting process is when a guy tearing up the Big12 and has all the attributes you look for in a Patriots receiver just goes unnoticed.
     
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