Does the NFL admit they screwed up again?

[FirstAndGoal]

While scoring plays are reviewable, they are not reviewable for judgement calls such as pass interference. That was actually the same dilemma that the refs faced in the Green Bay - Seattle game. As badly as the offensive PI looked, by rule they can not overturn a call for that reason alone. Only non judgemental calls such too many men on the field are subject to review.

The only time pass interference is reviewable is when determining if a ball was tipped (and therefore negating PI). That is because the act of it being tipped is non-judgemental.

This is where the NFL makes no sense. You're reviewing the touchdown to see if the guy got in... how is that different than a PI call?

2 ways to look at it.

You review a touchdown/PI to see if it happened as a matter of fact or...
you review a touchdown/PI to see if it's judged to have happened.

Either way, on a touchdown, it's a judgment call based on the review of film. How is that different an reviewing whether a PI occurred?

Not arguing with you per se. I'm arguing that there's really no difference. It either "is" by all evidence or it "isn't" by all evidence. That's true for a touchdown or a PI call. Either way, you're using the same tools to determine whether it occurred. It just so happens that someone said that determining a PI call is a judgment call and determining a touchdown is not. Makes no sense.


I say, if it's called, it should be reviewable. If it's not called, you can't review it....when in doubt, throw the flag and check the film.

 

[Sciz]

I know it would never happen, but somebody in the media definitely needs to ask Blandino that if the refs had ruled that the interference had happened before the interception, is it then actually a penalty? Blandino's entire cover-up video was based on the refs' judgment being correct, which anybody with working eyes can see is wrong. He never addresses any other aspect of the play, though.

 

[Joker]

Goodell farts and Blandino's lips move...obvious scarecrow

 

[Deus Irae]

I know it would never happen, but somebody in the media definitely needs to ask Blandino that if the refs had ruled that the interference had happened before the interception, is it then actually a penalty? Blandino's entire cover-up video was based on the refs' judgment being correct, which anybody with working eyes can see is wrong. He never addresses any other aspect of the play, though.

The whole NFL defense of the play comes down to "The officials got it wrong, which is why they got it right", but even that defense is wrong, as ESPN's 'science' breakdown shows. It's an embarrassment, but that's what happens when protecting your officials is more important to you than being honest.

 

[Joker]

Protect your officials to protect yourself...prototypical organized crime modus operandi

 

[1960Pats]

One thing that stands out like a sore thumb is the lack of leadership in key NFL posts. Then again, the brass knows what's up because everyone is going to keep debating the call until Thursday Night Football making the NHL and NBA redundant on the airwaves.

Perhaps the NFL isn't so dumb after all.

Bingo! We got bingo! The fans lose again baby!

 

[1960Pats]

A major impediment to the type of epiphany on the part of local media we're hoping for is the fact that, in my opinion at least, most of them dislike BB, Kraft (to a lesser extent), the team and, most of all, the fans. Borges, Felger, Mazz, Shank, Ryan, Buckley et al love it when NE loses, is screwed or just has bad things happen to them. There are some fair ones like Curran, Reese, Price and Chatham, but they're outnumbered.

I think a large majority of the dislike for the team stems from Belichick. If I worked in the business of sports I'd probably have some issues with him too.

 

[coolguy]

Sorry, did you not WATCH the play at all? Gronk would have been able to make a play on the ball if TWO Panthers hadn't interfered with him on that very play. One guy shoved him in the back and the other guy wrapped him up with both arms. They didn't allow him to make a play, using illegal methods according to the rulebook. The refs threw a flag then picked it up. They screwed up. Period.



I don't see why you are hellbent on defending the refs in a situation where they obviously backed out after first making the initial correct call that there was a foul on the play. Basically you're trying to say that as long as its near the end of the game, the defense should be able to commit as many fouls as they want. That's bull.



That's not 'letting them play' that's giving them a free pass as long as it is not the first 58 minutes of the game. And there is no rational logic to support giving this 'free pass'. Play the game and Officiate the game the same throughout. The lack of consistency in the calls is what is making people mad in the first place.

A 12 year former official in the league went on radio saying that ref crew screwed up:
Jim Daopoulus says officials made 'bad mistake' at end of Pats-Panthers » The Dan Patrick Show | Official Home



And for all the talk that I hear people hate floppers, now you are complaining that Gronk didn't 'act' enough to sell the flag? Why does he need to flop to draw the flag, he was pushed in the back by one guy and BEAR HUGGED by the other! How is that not enough to draw the flag??



Well I don't and that's NOT how it should work. I expect the call to be made PROPERLY at the time the play is made. I don't expect nor want 'makeup' calls. Why is the bad call affecting the outcome in one game supposed to be 'made up' in the next game? How is that fair to the other team in the next game? In fact it is spreading the unfairness to two games. I don't like this rationale at all. The NFL should have apologized for the mistake of that crew on Sunday. The fact that they won't just discredits them to any sports fan with an unbiased eye who likes to see competitive, fair football.

It's not bull because it's always been that way.
Did the refs screw the saints because they didn't call this holding call ?


LET THE PLAYERS PLAY ON THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME!!!

(Maybe this week was the referees way of paying back both the saints and patriots, or maybe it was just simple home cooking)

 

[BradyFTW!]

It's not bull because it's always been that way.
Did the refs screw the saints because they didn't call this holding call ?


LET THE PLAYERS PLAY ON THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME!!!

(Maybe this week was the referees way of paying back both the saints and patriots, or maybe it was just simple home cooking)

The ref threw the flag and picked it up. It wasn't a case of not seeing it, or feeling that it was not worth a flag. He both saw it and correctly flagged it, because it was an egregious penalty... and then changed his mind. Gronk was literally tackled a full second before the ball arrived. If you can't see the difference, then you're really not worth discussing this with.

 

[coolguy]

The ref threw the flag and picked it up. It wasn't a case of not seeing it, or feeling that it was not worth a flag. He both saw it and correctly flagged it, because it was an egregious penalty... and then changed his mind. Gronk was literally tackled a full second before the ball arrived. If you can't see the difference, then you're really not worth discussing this with.

I didn't see it that way.
I thought the ref threw the flag to call a conference with the other refs. It was after some discussion that refs together picked it up.

I dO feel that holing call would have been called in new Orleans and this PI/holding would have been called in new england.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I didn't see it that way.
I thought the ref threw the flag to call a conference with the other refs. It was after some discussion that refs together picked it up.

You throw a flag when you see an infraction, you don't throw a flag to call a conference. He saw it correctly, threw the flag correctly then was talked out of it by the guy in the white hat, what was said between the two we'll probably never know.

 

[coolguy]

You throw a flag when you see an infraction, you don't throw a flag to call a conference. He saw it correctly, threw the flag correctly then was talked out of it by the guy in the white hat, what was said between the two we'll probably never know.

I've seen refs throw flags to call a conference plenty of times in the nfl.

 

[Avenger]

You throw a flag when you see an infraction, you don't throw a flag to call a conference. He saw it correctly, threw the flag correctly then was talked out of it by the guy in the white hat, what was said between the two we'll probably never know.

"I have money on Carolina"