Do people REALLY think Membou, a RT, IS Better than Campbell at LT?

[Ring 6]

If it was that easy, why wouldn't elite RTs in the NFL switch to LTs? LTs get paid far more than RTs. There aren't enough LTs to go around. I mean Owenu does a pretty good job at RT when there is guys around him. Why not just move him to LT?

Here is an article talking about why it is so difficult to impossible for most RTs to make the transition to LT.

Why switching sides is a tough task

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Driving a car with the opposite foot or shaving with the other hand would be major challenges for anyone. That’s how offensive linemen describe moving from right tackle to left tackle and vice versa. It’s a new position that requires different footwork, hand-and-eye...

www.thealpenanews.com

A lot of them do.
While LT and RT are barely different any more it is more common for the LT to face spice guys, which clearly is onwenus issue.

 

[Ring 6]

If it was that easy, why wouldn't elite RTs in the NFL switch to LTs? LTs get paid far more than RTs. There aren't enough LTs to go around. I mean Owenu does a pretty good job at RT when there is guys around him. Why not just move him to LT?

Here is an article talking about why it is so difficult to impossible for most RTs to make the transition to LT.

Why switching sides is a tough task

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Driving a car with the opposite foot or shaving with the other hand would be major challenges for anyone. That’s how offensive linemen describe moving from right tackle to left tackle and vice versa. It’s a new position that requires different footwork, hand-and-eye...

www.thealpenanews.com

Funny source for your appeal to authority.

 

[Rob0729]

A lot of them do.
While LT and RT are barely different any more it is more common for the LT to face spice guys, which clearly is onwenus issue.

Some do. Some don't. It isn't as easy as you make it. Everything is backwards. Some people can make the transition and not lose any of their speed in reactions, some cannot.

It is like a right handed batter deciding to bat lefty. Can he teach himself to swing the bat and hit the ball? Sure. Can he hit the ball like he used to? Probably not. It isn't that hard, but it is a lot harder than you make it out to be. That is why so few NFL tackles can make the transition.

 

[Rob0729]

Funny source for your appeal to authority.

It was the first article I found. You want others:

How hard is it for NFL offensive linemen to switch positions?

Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz answers your questions, including which losing teams from 2018 have the best shot at the playoffs in 2019.

www.sbnation.com

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nfl/switching-from-one-side-of-the-offensive-line-to-the-other-is-among-the-nfls-underrated-tough-tasks/

Orlando Brown Jr. on how difficult is it to switch sides on an NFL offensive line

There are a lot of theories and metaphors being thrown out on the level of difficulty it is for an offensive lineman to switch sides—particularly at the NFL level. We went straight to the source, as new Bengals tackle Orlando Brown Jr. broke it down for us.

www.cincyjungle.com

Ronnie Stanley says switching sides of the offensive line is 'way harder' than it's made out to be

The Baltimore Ravens have one of the best tackles in the NFL in Ronnie Stanley. Playing on the left side, he has established himself as a top option on Baltimore's offensive line. An injury cut Stanley's 2020 season short, but he's been working hard to recover and slot…

ravenswire.usatoday.com

 

[raduray]

A lot of compelling material has been written about Campbell's dominating performance against SEC opponents. But what I haven't seen, is an analysis of his performance against specific defenders who were older than him and have subsequently gone on to the NFL, including how these individuals have performed as pros. I think that would make for an interesting projection of Campbell's future.

 

[raduray]

It was the first article I found. You want others:

How hard is it for NFL offensive linemen to switch positions?

Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz answers your questions, including which losing teams from 2018 have the best shot at the playoffs in 2019.

www.sbnation.com

...switching from one side to the other is “like wiping your ass with the other hand.”

 

[Brotherblues]

Here is the alternative PoV

Ben Johnson Had Telling Comments On The Will Campbell Situation

Ben Johnson got his chance to weigh in on the Will Campbell length issue. His comments crystalized everything.

www.sportsmockery.com

Johnson knows what he's talking about way more than any of us. Tape trumps measurements.

Problem with Campbell is the tape and measurements tell the same story.

To quote BGC again:

Arm length is an obvious factor but just not nearly as important as what's in front of your eyes on film. Way too much talk about 32" or 33". It doesn't matter... He would have the same value with longer arms with this tape. People are simply ignoring that or haven't watched him.

Don't give me "He didn't give up sacks/pressures" .... Most tackles in college don't most people just don't know that.

For example Conerly had similar statistics (2 sacks in 2 years). Wyatt Milum gave up 0 sacks in the last 3 years at LT and he's not projected to play LT by anyone I've seen. The list goes on.

 

[Wozzy]

Javon Foster started on the left side of Missouri’s offensive line while Membou was an underclassman. Foster got drafted last year. Sometimes players like Membou play the right side because an upperclassman already holds the left side job, not because they can’t.

I’d also add some players can switch sides as easily as switching shirts, while others struggle on one side or another. It is player dependent.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Johnson knows what he's talking about way more than any of us. Tape trumps measurements.

Problem with Campbell is the tape and measurements tell the same story.

To quote BGC again:



For example Conerly had similar statistics (2 sacks in 2 years). Wyatt Milum gave up 0 sacks in the last 3 years at LT and he's not projected to play LT by anyone I've seen. The list goes on.

Level/quality of competition also matters obviously.

To be clear, i'm not steadfast in Campbell playing LT but I am steadfast in believing Campbell is a fantastic football player and a future all-pro wherever he lines up. If they draft him at #4 and he becomes an all-pro guard for 10 years and Maye has a great 2nd season so be it.

 

[Steve102]

One of the funny things is if the Pats take Campbell, half the folks are gonna melt down, the other half will be happy. None if it matters, truthfully, because they are gonna do what they are gonna do. I guess I am on the IMVWT program right now, they've done a pretty good job improving the team as a whole this off-season thus far. I'm not gonna flip out one way of the other after R1, because they still could figure that Ozzy Trapilo is the future LT for them and will take him at #38, so it's BPA in R1.

 

[Brotherblues]

Level/quality of competition also matters obviously.

To be clear, i'm not steadfast in Campbell playing LT but I am steadfast in believing Campbell is a fantastic football player and a future all-pro wherever he lines up. If they draft him at #4 and he becomes an all-pro guard for 10 years and Maye has a great 2nd season so be it.

Oh absolutely. I'd love him on the team. I just don't see them betting he can be the first player ever to become a good LT with his shortcomings. If they get him at 4 I would still want them to move up from 38 into the 1st for a potential LT.

Having a left side of Simmons/Conerly plus Campbell would be sick. Not how I'd do it but (ignoring the meltdowns across the board about value) the end result is appealing.

 

[Patsfan1645]

...switching from one side to the other is “like wiping your ass with the other hand.”

straight up messy?

 

[Ring 6]

Some do. Some don't. It isn't as easy as you make it. Everything is backwards. Some people can make the transition and not lose any of their speed in reactions, some cannot.

It is like a right handed batter deciding to bat lefty. Can he teach himself to swing the bat and hit the ball? Sure. Can he hit the ball like he used to? Probably not. It isn't that hard, but it is a lot harder than you make it out to be. That is why so few NFL tackles can make the transition.

Of course it’s an adjustment but it’s not difficult.

It’s nothing like batting right or left. Big I’ll tell you when I was a kid I was a lefty hitter and we used to play half the field with 3 guys on a team and no one wanted to switch sides for me so I learned to hit righty. I was like 7 years old.

Almost every T who is good who tried has done so effectively.

 

[Ring 6]

It was the first article I found. You want others:

How hard is it for NFL offensive linemen to switch positions?

Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz answers your questions, including which losing teams from 2018 have the best shot at the playoffs in 2019.

www.sbnation.com

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nfl/switching-from-one-side-of-the-offensive-line-to-the-other-is-among-the-nfls-underrated-tough-tasks/

Orlando Brown Jr. on how difficult is it to switch sides on an NFL offensive line

There are a lot of theories and metaphors being thrown out on the level of difficulty it is for an offensive lineman to switch sides—particularly at the NFL level. We went straight to the source, as new Bengals tackle Orlando Brown Jr. broke it down for us.

www.cincyjungle.com

Ronnie Stanley says switching sides of the offensive line is 'way harder' than it's made out to be

The Baltimore Ravens have one of the best tackles in the NFL in Ronnie Stanley. Playing on the left side, he has established himself as a top option on Baltimore's offensive line. An injury cut Stanley's 2020 season short, but he's been working hard to recover and slot…

ravenswire.usatoday.com

You voted 2 good players who did it effectively and one who says it was hard because he played LG like a RT.

 

[Rob0729]

Of course it’s an adjustment but it’s not difficult.

It’s nothing like batting right or left. Big I’ll tell you when I was a kid I was a lefty hitter and we used to play half the field with 3 guys on a team and no one wanted to switch sides for me so I learned to hit righty. I was like 7 years old.

Almost every T who is good who tried has done so effectively.

That's what you want with a 4th overall pick. An effective LT. You can get an effective LT in the 3rd round.

Sorry it isn't as easy as you say. Even the guys who were able to do it say that. Again, there are literally a third of the teams out there who do not have a decent LT. Why aren't more RTs making the switch then? It is far easier to find a good RT.

Hell, even he is old, Morgan Moses is one of the best RTs in the league when he is on the field. Why not just move him to LT and wait until next year to draft a LT when there will be better options?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Johnson knows what he's talking about way more than any of us. Tape trumps measurements.

Problem with Campbell is the tape and measurements tell the same story.

To quote BGC again:



For example Conerly had similar statistics (2 sacks in 2 years). Wyatt Milum gave up 0 sacks in the last 3 years at LT and he's not projected to play LT by anyone I've seen. The list goes on.

I've just now been reading up on people's opinions here and way too many are paying attention to 32" or 33" or wingspan etc Just paying attention to the wrong stuff.
I dont want to say it doesn't matter but it's not nearly as important as people are making it out to be.

Level/quality of competition also matters obviously.

It does but after 3-4 teams most competition isn't different whether its SEC or Big10. And he had plenty of trouble against guys you haven't hear of. I think people play the whole "he played in the SEC didn't give up sacks" etc too much. Most college tackles don't give up big sack #'s.

To be clear, i'm not steadfast in Campbell playing LT but I am steadfast in believing Campbell is a fantastic football player and a future all-pro wherever he lines up. If they draft him at #4 and he becomes an all-pro guard for 10 years and Maye has a great 2nd season so be it.

I think he'll be a great guard but that wouldn't be the best way to maximize the #4 overall pick. Particularly for where we're at as a team. Picking a G top 5 would be a waste of a pick. It's QB, DL, WR or OT. Even CB, it would take a special CB to justify the #4 overall pick. Again especially in context for where we're at.

I don't think we're at a point where we can just take good players. We have serious, obvious needs that have to be addressed before that.

 

[patfanken]

Graham only makes sense at 4 if Barmore can't go. Too rich for a rotational player.T----

The way the are structuring defenses now, MOST DLmen are "rotational" players. Also, while Barmore's playing future looks better now than it did at the end of the season, it's still no sure thing, nor is it a sure thing that even if comes back, he comes back at the same level we saw in 2023.

If you get a good answer about the weight loss, I'd pick him in a flash. He's a 300lb big man who can run and more importantly has explosive power and moves the LOS.

 

[Run DMC]

None of these picks at #4 are a slam dunk. This is a weak draft. So guess what to do? Trade down, stay in top 10, pick up an OT, and accumulate another 1st or 2nd pick if you can find some desperate sucker to trade up with you. I'm talking to you Bears, Raiders, Saints etc.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I've just now been reading up on people's opinions here and way too many are paying attention to 32" or 33" or wingspan etc Just paying attention to the wrong stuff.
I dont want to say it doesn't matter but it's not nearly as important as people are making it out to be.

It does but after 3-4 teams most competition isn't different whether its SEC or Big10. And he had plenty of trouble against guys you haven't hear of. I think people play the whole "he played in the SEC didn't give up sacks" etc too much. Most college tackles don't give up big sack #'s.

I think he'll be a great guard but that wouldn't be the best way to maximize the #4 overall pick. Particularly for where we're at as a team. Picking a G top 5 would be a waste of a pick. It's QB, DL, WR or OT. Even CB, it would take a special CB to justify the #4 overall pick. Again especially in context for where we're at.

I don't think we're at a point where we can just take good players. We have serious, obvious needs that have to be addressed before that.

I disagree. The best use of the pick is on a player who will help Drake Maye lead the offense to 30 ppg, healthy and becomes a fanchise cornerstone.

If it's a guard that makes 10 all-pro teams then it was well worth it.

 

[Headcase]

I disagree.

You take players at 4 that impact games.

Who says Graham projects as only a rotational player?

If Barmore is health and you just signed Williams, both on big deals; who are you starting Graham over? In order to play 3 DTs you are rotating someone.