Division games are easy but the Bills game is the season.

[Brewskies]

The Bills can run and Josh Allen whom the Pats have not faced yet ran the ball a lot at Wyoming. The Bills have actually put in plays where Allen keeps the ball on the ground. The Bills are going to run and run and run after watching the tapes on Miami and Pittsburgh. Unless this NE run D improves right here and now you can kiss the playoffs goodbye because the Pats wont get past round 1.

Ninko lays out why the run defense is invisible on occasion. Every NE DL 2 gaps and he sees guys committing to 1 gap trying to make plays. Trouble is that the oppositions RB is reading the DL and that means there is a hole in the other gap. He also notices guys coasting and not that motivated. No Bryan Cox/ Rodney Harrison type guys either that step up and go off about playing this poorly. Hightower speaks up some but is fairly reserved.

The Bills can come to Foxboro and shock the Patriots with loss # 6.. Oakland beat Pittsburgh and Indy just shut out the Cowboys.

Another post suggesting I don't watch the game because the results are known before the start. WTF are these posters fans? Hello the Pats are home!

 

[Triumph]

I didn't say they have a strong defense or run defense, just that you're completely off-base in blowing it up to be a huge issue, that will prevent them from beating the Bills; you started the thread (unnecessarily) about losing a game at home an AFC team for the second time in about 60 games (where the starters actually play the whole game) with a total overreaction and absurd degree of exaggeration. Say what you will but using a game as an example where they held the opponent almost two touchdowns below average is not a great position. Go put money on the Bills and get a payout of like 8x, show us all how smart you are.

There's also a thread called "We're onto Buffalo" but I guess this needed its own separate discourse because this can't be covered in that thread (nothing to do with your love of trolling/attention.) That the Patriots have a subpar run defense is such a profound thought, I'm sure no one in that thread has brought it up.

The defense is a HUGE issue.

If I was seeking attention I would start more threads than once in a blue moon. I shared my concern about Miami regardless of folks arguing that the game was money in the bank. I predicted the Pittsburgh loss a month ago. And now I'm wary of Buffalo having success running on the Pat's.

I also wanted give people here a version of NInkos take on the current state of the Pat's in case they did not listen to his podcast. I place a lot of stock in what NInkos says, but if you wish to believe otherwise be my guest.

Regarding 8 x my money on Buffalo. Link?

 

[Triumph]

It is proof that you know you are wrong when you have to lie about the argument you are disagreeing with.

No one said division opponents are guaranteed wins and the “alchemy” was winning 12 of 13 and 60 of 80.

The INCORRECT response to that was “yeah but they are close” to which I showed with actual scores that no they really were not.

The idea that “average” had anything to do with the topic was introduced by a failure poster who knew he was wrong and tried to invent a straw to grasp at.

A 1 score game is a close game.

Only fitting that the Miami lateral play actually worked thereby proving my postion that averages are worthless and those who place stock in them are clueless.

 

[maust]

(victory declared)

Not getting into it with you little guy, you'll have to find your entertainment elsewhere.
But hey, you have yourself a real nice day

 

[Boomer B]

I think the Pats blow out the Bills.

The Bills just don’t have much talent on O. Go 1 on 1 on the receivers. Their WRs aren’t good. Spy the QB and blitz the hell out of him. Make him make quick decisions and he’ll turn it over. Load the box.

27 - 10 Patriots

 

[Ring 6]

A 1 score game is a close game.

Only fitting that the Miami lateral play actually worked thereby proving my postion that averages are worthless and those who place stock in them are clueless.

And I did not include 1 score games in the humongous amount that I called not close.

I never based anything in averages, you made that up because you had no argument.

 

[Soliel]

Because the importance of this game needs to be stated.

If the Pats save this season it will be Belichicks finest yet.

I’d agree there. If they turn this around and get a bye or even if they played on wild card weekend, if they won like that it would be the most shocking turn I’ve ever saw

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The defense is a HUGE issue.

If I was seeking attention I would start more threads than once in a blue moon. I shared my concern about Miami regardless of folks arguing that the game was money in the bank. I predicted the Pittsburgh loss a month ago. And now I'm wary of Buffalo having success running on the Pat's.

I also wanted give people here a version of NInkos take on the current state of the Pat's in case they did not listen to his podcast. I place a lot of stock in what NInkos says, but if you wish to believe otherwise be my guest.

Regarding 8 x my money on Buffalo. Link?

I was also very pessimistic about the Miami game and was fairly active in shutting down people saying it would be an easy game. I was neither optimistic or pessimistic about Pittsburgh but thought winning there three years in a row would be a tough feat (especially since last year they controlled the game for 57 minutes.) Playing Buffalo at home does not alarm me. Could they lose? Of course. Will they lose? We'll see. Is having this defense a strong reason to believe they will lose? Definitely not. The Patriots are huge favorites for a reason; Buffalo is a weak team and Foxboro is still the hardest place to play in the NFL. They'd really need to do a lot of things poorly to lose the game, which isn't out of the question based on their recent play, but at the same time, I'd hardly say that Allen's ability to run the ball is a gloom and doom prognosis for the game.

As for a link, go find a sportsbook anywhere. The link below have odds at 6.5x payout (Buffalo is +650) and that's from Vegas that usually pays lower than online.

Sports Betting News and Vegas Odds

 

[Triumph]

I never based anything in averages, you made that up because you had no argument.

I understand you have a perception that these division games were tough.[u/] But being an adult involves that when you see your perception ripping to shreds you are grown up enough to acknowledge it.
12-1

I never based anything in averages, you made that up because you had no argument.

17 point margin of victory Average

I never based anything in averages, you made that up because you had no argument.

13 ppg allowed (that’s about .6 more than the 85 bears allowed as a reference) Average

I never based anything in averages, you made that up because you had no argument.

30 ppg (that’s 1-3 ppg more than the last 2 patriot Sb champs as a reference) Average

All you got is “I believe”

ME :All you have is averages.

 

[Triumph]

I’d agree there. If they turn this around and get a bye or even if they played on wild card weekend, if they won like that it would be the most shocking turn I’ve ever saw

I am preparing for the worse and praying for the best.

 

[Ring 6]

Honestly are you this dumb or are you trying?
In a discussion about how badly you beat your opponents over 18 years the average will come up. That was not the basis of my argument. The basis of my argument was 12-1 and 60-20.
Your ignorant retort of “but they wuz close ones” was responder to by showing you BOTH the margins of victory per game and for your limited intellect what that averages to.
Average only came up because you were too slow to recognize that winning 75% of the time with half the games being by large margins means the competition was not strong.

But you know that and when faced with seeing his dumb your argument was you decided to make an argument about the meaningfulness of the average which was only given due to your ignorant inability to understand the data.

Let me put it another way.
The discussion was about the margin of victory and the proof was blatantly obvious.
An average is used to collate data to explain it to a dummy who doesn’t understand it.
So if you weren’t a dummy that aberage never would have entered the discussion.

 

[TomPatriot]

Ninko lays out why the run defense is invisible on occasion. Every NE DL 2 gaps and he sees guys committing to 1 gap trying to make plays. Trouble is that the oppositions RB is reading the DL and that means there is a hole in the other gap. He also notices guys coasting and not that motivated. No Bryan Cox/ Rodney Harrison type guys either that step up and go off about playing this poorly.

This is interesting. I haven’t noticed players one gapping, but I have noticed some guys’ lack of motivation or knowledge of where they should be on some plays. That’s on the coaches.

Still, they’re not losing to Buffalo.

 

[Triumph]

Honestly are you this dumb or are you trying?
In a discussion about how badly you beat your opponents over 18 years the average will come up. That was not the basis of my argument. The basis of my argument was 12-1 and 60-20.
Your ignorant retort of “but they wuz close ones” was responder to by showing you BOTH the margins of victory per game and for your limited intellect what that averages to.
Average only came up because you were too slow to recognize that winning 75% of the time with half the games being by large margins means the competition was not strong.

But you know that and when faced with seeing his dumb your argument was you decided to make an argument about the meaningfulness of the average which was only given due to your ignorant inability to understand the data.

Let me put it another way.
The discussion was about the margin of victory and the proof was blatantly obvious.
An average is used to collate data to explain it to a dummy who doesn’t understand it.
So if you weren’t a dummy that aberage never would have entered the discussion.

I would rate this as average.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I think 2001 is the gold standard for coaching.

BB pushed all the right buttons.

Agreed. In terms of talent and depth, 2001 might be very low on the list of Patriots teams if you ranked them. This team is probably more talented and deep than that one was. But that team captured some magic. With the help of the late-season Raiders collapse, they even snagged a bye.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Honestly are you this dumb or are you trying?
In a discussion about how badly you beat your opponents over 18 years the average will come up. That was not the basis of my argument. The basis of my argument was 12-1 and 60-20.
Your ignorant retort of “but they wuz close ones” was responder to by showing you BOTH the margins of victory per game and for your limited intellect what that averages to.
Average only came up because you were too slow to recognize that winning 75% of the time with half the games being by large margins means the competition was not strong.

But you know that and when faced with seeing his dumb your argument was you decided to make an argument about the meaningfulness of the average which was only given due to your ignorant inability to understand the data.

Let me put it another way.
The discussion was about the margin of victory and the proof was blatantly obvious.
An average is used to collate data to explain it to a dummy who doesn’t understand it.
So if you weren’t a dummy that aberage never would have entered the discussion.

I would recommend just walking away...he obviously gets his kicks from annoying people. I'm guessing he is intelligent enough to understand everything, but he's just trying to get you worked up. Just look at his avatar picture and it tells the whole story.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I would rate this as average.

You get a Winner rating for your expert trolling. Now let's all move on.

 

[Triumph]

I would recommend just walking away...he obviously gets his kicks from annoying people. I'm guessing he is intelligent enough to understand everything, but he's just trying to get you worked up. Just look at his avatar picture and it tells the whole story.

Division games are tough games.

Past history is no indicator of the future like mutual funds pr something.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Division games are tough games.

Past history is no indicator of the future like mutual funds pr something.

That is partially correct. Past history is not necessarily an indicator (though it is if information from past history is relevant to this game, including the strength/value of the players and teams.) But granted, a 1994 game between the Bills and Patriots has no bearing on this game. Division games are no tougher than any other game; that's a myth and an exercise in confirmation bias. Mutual funds are based on present conditions and future expectations, not past results.

Strength of present teams is absolutely an indicator, as is home-field advantage. Those are not based on past results; they are based on present factors. The Patriots are superior team to the Bills and should win at home. They aren't guaranteed to, but they are much more likely than not. If you think all football games are just random coin flips and strength of team can't be determined prior to kickoff, again, you should bet a ton of money and become a billionaire by just betting the underdog to win every game, as you should win 50% of the time and get huge payouts.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Division games are tough games.

Past history is no indicator of the future like mutual funds pr something.

How can an upcoming division game be considered a tough game if past history is no indicator of the future?