Devin Mccourty

[borg]

Yep he is not doing enough for his salary.

I added the following to my original post...

""Note....significant declining year over year production in INTs and Passes Defended""

Devin McCourty | Player Charts, Stats and Analysis - SportingCharts.com

 

[Kontradiction]

I added the following to my original post...

""Note....significant declining year over year production in INTs and Passes Defended""

Devin McCourty | Player Charts, Stats and Analysis - SportingCharts.com

Not unexpected. A lot of teams don't throw to the side of the field that he's shading to. That's why you see him coming in late sometimes on those deeper passes. He's shading to the other side and has to make up ground. Believe me, McCourty (along with Hightower) is the least of our problems on defense. The team needs a consistent pass rusher, a DT that can push the pocket and/or demand consistent double teams, and improvement from the CB2 and nickel corner positions. You take away McCourty and this unit may be aong the worst defenses in the entire league.

Now, that being said, a case may be able to be made for swapping him and Logan Ryan. Move McCourty down to CB across from Butler and play Ryan at safety. I have no use for Ryan as a CB but, should he be able to keep his head toward the quarterback, he should be able to make some plays on the ball. The Patriots will lose the range that McCourty provided back there as Ryan doesn't have the same speed, but one could still make a case for it nevertheless.

 

[luuked]

Now, that being said, a case may be able to be made for swapping him and Logan Ryan. Move McCourty down to CB across from Butler and play Ryan at safety. I have no use for Ryan as a CB but, should he be able to keep his head toward the quarterback, he should be able to make some plays on the ball. The Patriots will lose the range that McCourty provided back there as Ryan doesn't have the same speed, but one could still make a case for it nevertheless.

Why not just play Harmon there like when we usually do when DMac is in as CB for a play. No reason to artificially try to find a place for Ryan just because he doesn't cut it as CB. It worked well last year so I don't see any alternative than riding it out and hoping that the upcoming three game stretch infuses some confidence into some of our underperforming players..

 

[aluminum seats]

Malcolm Brown stepping up would be transformative for this defense.

 

[Sciz]

This isn't complicated. When receivers are getting open faster underneath, the guy 30 yards deep isn't going to have as many opportunities to get his hands on the ball, regardless of how well he's playing.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

Not unexpected. A lot of teams don't throw to the side of the field that he's shading to. That's why you see him coming in late sometimes on those deeper passes. He's shading to the other side and has to make up ground. Believe me, McCourty (along with Hightower) is the least of our problems on defense. The team needs a consistent pass rusher, a DT that can push the pocket and/or demand consistent double teams, and improvement from the CB2 and nickel corner positions. You take away McCourty and this unit may be aong the worst defenses in the entire league.

Now, that being said, a case may be able to be made for swapping him and Logan Ryan. Move McCourty down to CB across from Butler and play Ryan at safety. I have no use for Ryan as a CB but, should he be able to keep his head toward the quarterback, he should be able to make some plays on the ball. The Patriots will lose the range that McCourty provided back there as Ryan doesn't have the same speed, but one could still make a case for it nevertheless.

I don't like Dmac as CB but the rest is perfect... Rowe wasn't that bad as our #2 CB (yes the penalties suck but he was decent besides that). If next year they grab a ED + DT the CB2 will upgrade just by doing that... All first 4 rounds should focus on D + a RB ...

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

Malcolm Brown stepping up would be transformative for this defense.

Brown is playing well IMO, Long, Ninko and SHEARD they need to pressure the QB... Not contain him in the pocket, SACK the f guy

 

[Kontradiction]

Why not just play Harmon there like when we usually do when DMac is in as CB for a play. No reason to artificially try to find a place for Ryan just because he doesn't cut it as CB. It worked well last year so I don't see any alternative than riding it out and hoping that the upcoming three game stretch infuses some confidence into some of our underperforming players..

That works fine when you're playing Cover-1. I was specifically referring to coverages that require two deep safeties. Chung is not a deep safety. He's a guy you ultimately want as close to the LOS as you can get him. You put Chung deep and he's got a bullseye on him.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't like Dmac as CB but the rest is perfect... Rowe wasn't that bad as our #2 CB (yes the penalties suck but he was decent besides that). If next year they grab a ED + DT the CB2 will upgrade just by doing that... All first 4 rounds should focus on D + a RB ...

I think I should explain that I wasn't making a case for McCourty at CB at all. I actually hate him at CB because he can't get his head around in man a lot of the time (which is more than likely why he was moved to safety in the first place). I was merely stating that a case *CAN* be made. Personally, I would stick Rowe at CB2 full time and give him safety help ala Browner, move Cyrus Jones in at nickel CB, and increase Flowers' playing time at DE.

 

[aluminum seats]

Brown is playing well IMO, Long, Ninko and SHEARD they need to pressure the QB... Not contain him in the pocket, SACK the f guy

It seems to me he's not commanding the attention/resources we might have hoped for..

 

[borg]

This isn't complicated. When receivers are getting open faster underneath, the guy 30 yards deep isn't going to have as many opportunities to get his hands on the ball, regardless of how well he's playing.

Verses Seattle

Locket ...WR...longest catch ...36 yds
Baldwin...WR....longest catch...18 yds
Richardson...WR...longest catch....38 yds
Kearse.....WR.....longest catch........20 yards
Graham....TE.....longest catch....19 yds

I'm too lazy to search out these receivers 2nd longest catch of the day but my eyes saw Wilson putting air and yards under the ball lighting up the secondary downfield and which contradicts your "
getting open faster underneath" narrative....except for the RB that continued to abuse Hightower on the swing passes when Hightower was caught in no man's land. And as Wilson was lighting up the sidelines down field, McCourty was never in the picture, nor was a DB.

McCourty's production is reminding me of Mayo's...lots of tackles, little game changing impact.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I don't like Dmac as CB but the rest is perfect... Rowe wasn't that bad as our #2 CB (yes the penalties suck but he was decent besides that). If next year they grab a ED + DT the CB2 will upgrade just by doing that... All first 4 rounds should focus on D + a RB ...

We've drafted defense with our first pick in each of the past 5 drafts and outside of Hightower we have nothing to show for it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

McCourty will just never get the respect he deserves. QB's NEVER target him and its been like that for a reason. Going back 3-4 years ago QB's wouldnt target him more than once a game.

He has great range, one of the smartest and most durable guys around and is one of the best open field tacklers in the game.

He doesnt have the closing speed of Thomas or Sherman and Kam watching his 6.

We need a big CB and luckily there's a ton of size and versatility in this year's draft. After that get a pass rushing DT. Those are my two biggest concerns on D.

I still think this defense is good enough to win it all this year and am not ready to give up after one tough game against a team that has been top 3-4 in as many years.

 

[PF_SU]

Verses Seattle

Locket ...WR...longest catch ...36 yds
Baldwin...WR....longest catch...18 yds
Richardson...WR...longest catch....38 yds
Kearse.....WR.....longest catch........20 yards
Graham....TE.....longest catch....19 yds

I'm too lazy to search out these receivers 2nd longest catch of the day but my eyes saw Wilson putting air and yards under the ball lighting up the secondary downfield and which contradicts your "
getting open faster underneath" narrative....except for the RB that continued to abuse Hightower on the swing passes when Hightower was caught in no man's land. And as Wilson was lighting up the sidelines down field, McCourty was never in the picture, nor was a DB.

McCourty's production is reminding me of Mayo's...lots of tackles, little game changing impact.

Then let's go through these plays one by one okay?

Lockett 36 yards - McCourty was playing deep centre some 25-30 yards behind the LOS, the Seahawks ran a play-action and McCourty couldn't get to the sidelines in time to prevent the catch

Baldwin 18 yards - That's the TD to end the half, McCourty was playing zone on the right side of the defense while the breakdown occurred with Chung and Ryan on the left side.

Richardson 39 yards - McCourty was line up opposite the TE (who stayed in to block) five yards off the LOS, the centre-fielder was Harmon

Kearse 20 yards - McCourty was lined up at the LOS as CB opposite of Paul Richardson

Graham 19 yards - Short dump-off pass that Graham took for 19 yards

Congratulations, of the five plays you listed there is exactly one where McCourty possibly could've made a play. You just affirmed your critics opinion of you by randomly picking out a few plays just to bash McCourty without considering whether these plays were even relevant.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

We've drafted defense with our first pick in each of the past 5 drafts and outside of Hightower we have nothing to show for it.

That's not fair...

Jones was traded because he will be too expensive. He's a awesome player
Malcom Brown is a starter and a solid player
The other one is a bust

 

[Sciz]

Verses Seattle

Locket ...WR...longest catch ...36 yds
Baldwin...WR....longest catch...18 yds
Richardson...WR...longest catch....38 yds
Kearse.....WR.....longest catch........20 yards
Graham....TE.....longest catch....19 yds

I'm too lazy to search out these receivers 2nd longest catch of the day but my eyes saw Wilson putting air and yards under the ball lighting up the secondary downfield and which contradicts your "
getting open faster underneath" narrative....except for the RB that continued to abuse Hightower on the swing passes when Hightower was caught in no man's land. And as Wilson was lighting up the sidelines down field, McCourty was never in the picture, nor was a DB.

McCourty's production is reminding me of Mayo's...lots of tackles, little game changing impact.

We know you're too lazy. That was abundantly clear when you tried using stats to evaluate McCourty's play. My "narrative" was more in response to those season-long stats you posted, because this gameplan had both McCourty and the defense doing some different things than past weeks.

This game was different, but McCourty still wasn't anywhere near the top of the list of concerns. When Butler and Ryan are in zone and a guy gets between them down the sideline, that's not on McCourty. When Ryan and Chung are in zone and botch an exchange down the sideline, that's not on McCourty. When McCourty is in man coverage as an outside cornerback and the pass goes to a different receiver, that's not on McCourty.

The play McCourty wants back is the one you didn't mention, the 38 yarder to Prosise against Roberts. McCourty took one step to the left before taking off to the right, and that step might have been the difference. He spent most of the game being focused on Graham (and was generally successful), but he might have been just a bit too focused on him there.

Frankly, it's pretty telling that you think Hightower got "abused" too. You want to blame McCourty for passes down the field that weren't his fault and Hightower for passes underneath that weren't his fault, and I'm not sure what else to tell you other than that you need to pay attention to what is actually happening on a play as opposed to just the end result.

 

[TennisBallHead]

McCourty playing 30 freaking yards back isn't doing much for anybody. Everyone's still getting burned deep and he's nowhere to be found.

 

[Kontradiction]

Then let's go through these plays one by one okay?

Lockett 36 yards - McCourty was playing deep centre some 25-30 yards behind the LOS, the Seahawks ran a play-action and McCourty couldn't get to the sidelines in time to prevent the catch

Baldwin 18 yards - That's the TD to end the half, McCourty was playing zone on the right side of the defense while the breakdown occurred with Chung and Ryan on the left side.

Richardson 39 yards - McCourty was line up opposite the TE (who stayed in to block) five yards off the LOS, the centre-fielder was Harmon

Kearse 20 yards - McCourty was lined up at the LOS as CB opposite of Paul Richardson

Graham 19 yards - Short dump-off pass that Graham took for 19 yards

Congratulations, of the five plays you listed there is exactly one where McCourty possibly could've made a play. You just affirmed your critics opinion of you by randomly picking out a few plays just to bash McCourty without considering whether these plays were even relevant.

Ohhhh goteeeee.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

The man just does his job. I certainly think frustrations rise when we're not seeing big plays from the defense - it feels like we lack "playmakers."

He's doing his job, and he is a playmaker, bottom line. But I think there's always a tendency when we aren't getting results and we see a guy like Earl Thomas and be like, why can't he be a little more like him?

 

[JackBauer]