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I'm not going to crap on Montana because prior to Brady, he was unreal and he's still the 2nd best to ever do it. I get the fact he never lost a Super Bowl, but Brady has won nearly double the number of games and appeared in more than double compared to Montana...that's not exactly something an average person can dismiss.
Honestly, @MAC10 I'd be on board your train for that discussion if Brady was 6-4 or 5-5, which is why I sort of always preferred to see them get bounced in the playoffs than to see him lose a Super Bowl. I didn't have a lot of confidence against Seattle and the way it was looking, I didn't think the defense would keep them off the board. I had the same feeling about the Rams. Yet, they won both games and he did enough to help them win. That's what the great ones do.
You can keep harping on the Giants - but we've covered it. On Philadelphia, we've talked about that one as well because Brady outplayed Foles, but the defense never recovered with Butler out. Foles played out of his mind that day, which has sort of been a theme when it comes to no name guys lighting up their defense (look at Davis Mills this past season)...it's strange and I don't quite get it. But I have more issues with their defensive philosophies over that span than I do anything else. But that's a story for another thread
Needless to say, I don't get what we're still doing. He's the best ever. I know you're trying to needle people, but the stats and the championships are what they are
And Brady lost to an unreal Giants defense that came together down the stretch with some guy named Michael Strahan, along with a future Hall of Fame coach in Coughlin. Not exactly a bunch of nobodies
Still have to win the games and do enough to win. I'm not arguing Super Bowl performances because you could pull out four Super Bowls out of the 10 where Brady played well. And most of Montana's success came with an unbelievable cast of characters prior to the salary cap era...although I'm guessing you probably don't want to talk about that?
3 Point Joe loses to Cincy twice if not for a goal line stand and a dropped Int.
And I'll give you that ... but at the same time, look at San Francisco's defense back then compared to New England's. It's a lot easier to run it up and have a big day when you've got guys like that getting you the ball back
Digging for flaws? Hes already got every mistake and flaw cataloged and tagged so precisely that it puts the Dewey Decimal system to shame.You're dreaming if you think Montana goes 9-0 (or 10-0). Highly unlikely.
Again, I see what you're doing but you're just digging for flaws that sure, are there, just like other players - but they're few and far between. However, Brady's overall body of work exceeds Montana's, as does the number of rings. Period. "It is what it is"
Still have to win the games and do enough to win. I'm not arguing Super Bowl performances because you could pull out four Super Bowls out of the 10 where Brady played well. And most of Montana's success came with an unbelievable cast of characters prior to the salary cap era...although I'm guessing you probably don't want to talk about that?
I believe Brady was 3-0 in Super Bowls prior to the salary cap era as well...so....
And I'll give you that ... but at the same time, look at San Francisco's defense back then compared to New England's. It's a lot easier to run it up and have a big day when you've got guys like that getting you the ball back
Yeah, that was dumb. I looked to see what year it started and pulled up the hockey one. You would think I’d know that considering Miguel started his Patriots cap site around the same time I did. #fail
Do you really believe that Montana would have been perfect if he played in six more of them? Obviously, there’s no way to know, but either way, he never made it to that many. So given that Brady’s won almost twice as many and been to more than double the amount, I feel like that’s a wash, so the edge would still have to go to Brady overallStill have to win the games and do enough to win. I'm not arguing Super Bowl performances because you could pull out four Super Bowls out of the 10 where Brady played well. And most of Montana's success came with an unbelievable cast of characters prior to the salary cap era...although I'm guessing you probably don't want to talk about that?
I believe Brady was 3-0 in Super Bowls prior to the salary cap era as well...so....
I actually watched that movie for the first time the other night (the Sandlot) - thought I had seen it years ago but apparently not, even though I knew the saying, like the rest of the world. Highly recommend it if you haven’t seen it. Great movie and obviously a classic. (It’s on Disney+)
