Darn, a sudden turn around, the Jets are now the favorites in the AFC East

[JJDChE]

Itsw just very curious that you decide to write a post telling people what they would say, and then labelling everyone with a different viewpoint than you a homer.
You seem to be having an argumnent with yourself.

I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying, based on my experience here, I believe the response for a similar action by the Patriots would garner a completely different response. Judging your own team's actions differently than the same actions by another team is pretty much the definition of being a homer.

What's to argue?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying, based on my experience here, I believe the response for a similar action by the Patriots would garner a completely different response. Judging your own team's actions differently than the same actions by another team is pretty much the definition of being a homer.

What's to argue?

What's to argue is your arrogant attitude. You are essentially telling those people that posted in this thread that they are not only disingenuous but they aren't intelligent enough to know that so you have to sweep in and educate them about what their opinion would be.
If you don't think that a management technique employed by Bill Belichick vs by Rex Ryan should be looked at through different lenses, then your "I won't be a homer at any cost" bias is the issue here.

 

[BSR]

I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying, based on my experience here, I believe the response for a similar action by the Patriots would garner a completely different response. Judging your own team's actions differently than the same actions by another team is pretty much the definition of being a homer.

What's to argue?

The problem is that you are calling us homers based on how you think we might act if the Patriots did the same thing. Its a judgement on a perception of a hypothetical. Just a tip but, you honestly would have an easier time arguing why you think the leadership seminar is a good idea.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying, based on my experience here, I believe the response for a similar action by the Patriots would garner a completely different response. Judging your own team's actions differently than the same actions by another team is pretty much the definition of being a homer.

What's to argue?

See, here's the problem. You're arguing something that's nonsensical as if it's a matter of doctrine. People judge things differently because they are different. They don't have to be homers to do so. The actions of an 8-8 team with locker room issues will, rightly, often be judged differently than the actions of a 13-3 team with no locker room issues, even if the actions happen to be the same.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying, based on my experience here, I believe the response for a similar action by the Patriots would garner a completely different response. Judging your own team's actions differently than the same actions by another team is pretty much the definition of being a homer.

What's to argue?

The Patriots wouldn't do what the Jets did, so it's a moot point. There's a reason why almost every draft pick is a college captain who's noted for his team leadership. The reason is that these guys are adults; if they've made it this far in life without being leaders, then they simply aren't leaders. I'm kind surprised that Ryan didn't learn that last season when he named Santonio captain in hopes that wearing a C would somehow make him something that he isn't.

 

[shmessy]

The Patriots wouldn't do what the Jets did, so it's a moot point.

EXACTLY. That is what I've told JJDCHE twice already.

IF the Patriots ever did what Ryan does, I WOULD criticize it. They don't, however, send "leaders" to "team build" away from the rest of the team. BB also doesn't predict SB championships before the season for his team.

His hypothetical is as moot as saying "If the Pope ever converted to Islam....."

 

[goheels22002]

You guys are the worst examples of homers. If it came out that the Pats did the same thing there would be a thread about how this 'proves' that the Pats are a different and better organization than the rest. You all need to step back and get some perspective.

Honestly, my guess is the Patriots HAVE done something like this. Team building and leadership are important for all types of organizations. The reason why Belichick has been so successful is that he clearly understands how to run an organization, not just coach a football team. To just assume that the guys on your team have leadership abilities is setting yourself up for failure. The Patriots tend to look for guys with leadership experience, but it doesn't come natural to everyone. Going through a training on effective leadership would help everyone, not just the guys who haven't had leadership experience before.

It is most reassuring to know you sit in judgement of us all and can pass along your wisdom with such effortless omniscience.

You obviously don't pay any attention whatsoever to the way the New England Patriots draft players and sign free agents as compared to the NY Jets. You also don't pay any attention when the Patriots take a flyer on a guy like Fat Albert Haynesworth or Chad Ochocinco, they give them a very short leash.

Let's be clear about this. No amount of "leadership training" in the span of a training camp is going to fundamentally alter a person like Albert Haynesworth or Antonio Cromartie. I am not sure where you keep your magic "effective leadership training" wand (I suspect it is in a place that is absent sunlight), but it will not change the fundamental capacity of these guys to become leaders under extraordinary physical and psychological stress.

You have no idea whether I or others are homers. Whether I am or whether I'm not, the point here here is that the Patriots really do "focus on putting the best 53 people on the roster," as Jonathan Kraft said on the radio before yesterday's game.

They draft guys who are skilled and were team captains in college, they bring in high character guys and pass on thugs for the most part. they take risks on guys who have off-field problems and release them very quickly. We an argue specific guys - Corey Dillon worked out - Haynesworth did not.

But the bottom line is, my all-knowing friend, is that the Patriots are the winningest team in the past ten years and have a model that works based on putting the best 53 people on the roster that they can.

 

[Joker]

I think JJdche is right...I KNOW I'm one of the worst homers on this board...and if it was the Pats doing the "Happy Happy Glad Glad" camp seminar, I know I'd be 100% on board. The only thing I can add is I don't give a fecal dump what anyone thinks about it.

 

[PittPatriot]

I would have given literally ANYTHING to have seen Santonio Holmes at a leadership conference...that's like Osama Bin Laden doing a 2 year Mormon missionary stint

Well, Bin Laden shares one aspect of Mormon Law (polygamy).
I'm afraid Santonio has nothing in common with "leadership."

 

[Joker]

touche'...I said it before and I'll say it again...sanphonyo/leadership = classic oxymoron

 

[Reckedtrek]

At first when I read the OP it made perfect sense, but then I realized it said to be better "leaders" not better "dealers".

 

[robbomango]

Please What Homers. Do I Have to be a homer to seriously believe that Jets are gonna win our division over Pats? What I was referring to was title of this thread. Holmes is a legit team leader Capt Insano. He sums up just what Jets are, 3 Ringless Circus.

Fixed that for you

 

[Gwedd]

At first when I read the OP it made perfect sense, but then I realized it said to be better "leaders" not better "dealers".

Leaders..... dealers.......

It's all in the spelling, isn't it.....

Reminds me of the one about the dyslexic devil worshiper who sold his soul to Santa.......

 

[shmessy]

.....3 RINGLESS circus

Fixed that for you

I see what you did there - - nice work!

 

[JJDChE]

What's to argue is your arrogant attitude. You are essentially telling those people that posted in this thread that they are not only disingenuous but they aren't intelligent enough to know that so you have to sweep in and educate them about what their opinion would be.
If you don't think that a management technique employed by Bill Belichick vs by Rex Ryan should be looked at through different lenses, then your "I won't be a homer at any cost" bias is the issue here.

I'm not trying to educate anyone about what their opinion would be. I'm sure most of them already know what their opinion would be when it comes to the Jets vs. the Pats.

Jets = bad
Pats = good

I just think it would lead to a funny outcome if the two overlapped. Hypocrisy is funny to me.

The problem is that you are calling us homers based on how you think we might act if the Patriots did the same thing. Its a judgement on a perception of a hypothetical. Just a tip but, you honestly would have an easier time arguing why you think the leadership seminar is a good idea.

So, are you saying that there isn't a large contingent of homers here?

See, here's the problem. You're arguing something that's nonsensical as if it's a matter of doctrine.

What do you think I'm arguing?

The Patriots wouldn't do what the Jets did, so it's a moot point.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure how you can definitively say that.

 

[JJDChE]

I think JJdche is right...I KNOW I'm one of the worst homers on this board...and if it was the Pats doing the "Happy Happy Glad Glad" camp seminar, I know I'd be 100% on board. The only thing I can add is I don't give a fecal dump what anyone thinks about it.

Self awareness is a great thing.

I like the cut of your jib, sir.

 

[JJDChE]

It is most reassuring to know you sit in judgement of us all and can pass along your wisdom with such effortless omniscience.

You obviously don't pay any attention whatsoever to the way the New England Patriots draft players and sign free agents as compared to the NY Jets. You also don't pay any attention when the Patriots take a flyer on a guy like Fat Albert Haynesworth or Chad Ochocinco, they give them a very short leash.

Let's be clear about this. No amount of "leadership training" in the span of a training camp is going to fundamentally alter a person like Albert Haynesworth or Antonio Cromartie. I am not sure where you keep your magic "effective leadership training" wand (I suspect it is in a place that is absent sunlight), but it will not change the fundamental capacity of these guys to become leaders under extraordinary physical and psychological stress.

You have no idea whether I or others are homers. Whether I am or whether I'm not, the point here here is that the Patriots really do "focus on putting the best 53 people on the roster," as Jonathan Kraft said on the radio before yesterday's game.

They draft guys who are skilled and were team captains in college, they bring in high character guys and pass on thugs for the most part. they take risks on guys who have off-field problems and release them very quickly. We an argue specific guys - Corey Dillon worked out - Haynesworth did not.

But the bottom line is, my all-knowing friend, is that the Patriots are the winningest team in the past ten years and have a model that works based on putting the best 53 people on the roster that they can.

You really gave your magnifying glass a workout to read between the lines here.

 

[Creative Username]

People, people, be reasonable!
The Jets will obviously go 16-0 this year and win the AFC East because Tim Tebow is the greatest Quarterback of all time and will go down in history as such. They will win the superbowl as Tebow combines for 54 total touchdowns and 0 turnovers. Furthermore, the defense will not allow a single yard of offense from the Patriots in both games and Tom Brady will be sacked 20 times in 19 offensive plays.

Whoops. I forgot that my sarcasm button was on.
Seriously though. That Dealership thing will definitely put them over the edge. Nothing says camaraderie like hiding a secret from the feds.

 

[Salva135]

Has anyone read the full article describing this experience?

Jets enlist ex-military members to help build unity and leadership with team getaway | NJ.com

We didn’t want to think, at the end of the day, we were going to hand them a sheet of paper with a stamp on it that said, ‘Congrats, you’re a leader,’?” Van Camp said. “For us, that’s (nonsense), and it’s not going to happen. Leadership develops daily, not in a day, so we’re hired by the Jets for the entire year. We’re going to be completely embedded with them.”

Van Camp said he and his partners are working “around the clock” to brainstorm exercises, challenges and shared experiences that bring out the best version of each Jets coach and player. Their ideas stem from an introductory conversation in which the Mission Essential leaders asked the coaches, “What does leadership mean to you?”

Wow. This is not your typical business retreat.