Curran Believes Jones is 'Making an Enemy' Out of Belichick

[lancerman]

What free agents are going to sign up to come here to play with Mac?
They are looking over their contract like yeah I’m sure I can hit these escalators.
A lot of teams are a franchise QB away from being a threat.

We will be in a dog race again but I have a proposal and possible solution.

If the Will Levis falls to the Eagles spot.
We call our friends in Philly and offer our three firsts for that pick.
He is the closest thing we will find to Josh Allen arm talent in the next 5 seasons.

The flipside to that. If you are a free agent QB, what makes you want to come here and replace Mac. If I was Jimmy G or Tom Brady I'm not even looking here right now until I see some very big moves made in free agency and changes on the coaching staff. Even then I'm not sure I would want to wait in free agency for the Pats to get their ducks in a row while other people are calling me.

Anyways Levis ain't falling to New England and he'll still be a reach imo wherever he falls. This is a **** year to need a QB

There just aren't good options. If there was some stud in the draft that we could snag, go for it. There isn't. There's one reach that we would need to reach even harder for than the teams that will make that mistake imo. We aren't going to attract a QB in free agency.

Our best bet right now as the cards stand are to hit in the draft on some offensive talent (hopefully a receiver) and then make 2 a couple splash plays in free agency even if it's and overpay (sorry that's the situation now, we aren't getting discounts because of Tom Brady) let Mac and Zappe compete in the off season and ride it out one more year to see what they can do with some additions and a better OC and if next year we are in a similar boat, we can look towards the draft and bite the bullet and make a big trade to get the QB we want

 

[lancerman]

I'd rather they go out of Bill's comfort zone on this. He needs fresh blood to push him on offense. Brady tricked them into thinking they could win with a bunch of B's and C's on offense. The rest of the league has figured it out and passed us by.

 

[SVN]

It wont happen. its just a random clicbait sources story. BB wont go back to the older patriot offense. Media isnt creative enough to suggest any playcallers to NE with ties to the shanahan system.

 

[TFB=GOAT]

Mac is the franchise qb for the next 10 years. We will all look back at this little Fat Matt road bump and laugh.

 

[sb1]

It wont happen. its just a random clicbait sources story. BB wont go back to the older patriot offense. Media isnt creative enough to suggest any playcallers to NE with ties to the shanahan system.

Yeah who are the "sources".

 

[Love The Drake]

Mac is the franchise qb for the next 10 years. We will all look back at this little Fat Matt road bump and laugh.

Only if they install a Bionic arm and he finds courage.
He’s the cowardly lion and Bill is the wizard.
I guess Patricia is the scarecrow looking for Brains.
Isiah Wynn is the Tinman looking for a heart.
And Josh Allen is the Witch.
Kraft is Dorothy,

 

[Deus Irae]

Using this as an argument pro mac is laughable

Using the Huntley situation to dismiss it is far worse.

 

[Uptown]

Perry: Feeling of ‘resignation' in Patriots locker room

Phil Perry offers insight on the New England Patriots’ morale after a brutal loss to the Las Vegas Raiders.

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[Toofy]

Mac might be silently hoping to be traded elsewhere...

 

[zipster9]

I think Mac wants to be more aggressive in offensive plays. But, BillB (for some reason) wants conservative plays (Patricia - yuck).

If the opponent knows you are AFRAID TO THROW DEEP (10+ yds) you won't go very far.

 

[Nunchucks]

Perry: Feeling of ‘resignation' in Patriots locker room

Phil Perry offers insight on the New England Patriots’ morale after a brutal loss to the Las Vegas Raiders.

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They played with grit in the second half. Glad to see it. They still aren't very good, but as long as they keep fighting, I will only complain a little.

 

[upstater1]

I'd rather they go out of Bill's comfort zone on this. He needs fresh blood to push him on offense. Brady tricked them into thinking they could win with a bunch of B's and C's on offense. The rest of the league has figured it out and passed us by.

I really don't think this is the case.

I think we finally started expending picks on WRs the last few years, but it hasn't worked out (N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton [yet!]), and it's the same with the TEs we gave a ton of money too.

I'd also argue that from 2016 on he started to give Brady weapons again (last time was 2007). Brandin Cooks, Antonio Brown, Mohamed Sanu, a few others.

He tried. These weren't bargain scrap players. Sanu cost a #2, Cooks a #1, AB $11m, N'Keal a 1st.

 

[sean10mm]

I really don't think this is the case.

I think we finally started expending picks on WRs the last few years, but it hasn't worked out (N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton [yet!]), and it's the same with the TEs we gave a ton of money too.

I'd also argue that from 2016 on he started to give Brady weapons again (last time was 2007). Brandin Cooks, Antonio Brown, Mohamed Sanu, a few others.

He tried. These weren't bargain scrap players. Sanu cost a #2, Cooks a #1, AB $11m, N'Keal a 1st.

Yeah, those were scouting botches, not effort botches.

 

[captain stone]

I really don't think this is the case.

I think we finally started expending picks on WRs the last few years, but it hasn't worked out (N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton [yet!]), and it's the same with the TEs we gave a ton of money too.

I'd also argue that from 2016 on he started to give Brady weapons again (last time was 2007). Brandin Cooks, Antonio Brown, Mohamed Sanu, a few others.

He tried. These weren't bargain scrap players. Sanu cost a #2, Cooks a #1, AB $11m, N'Keal a 1st.

Ugh, thanks for the reminder.

#FireTheBelichicksAndTheirUnqualifiedSlappiesToo

 

[zipster9]

Yeah, those were scouting botches, not effort botches.

It's probably better if BillB just closes his eyes, throw a dart at the wall of WR's available to draft in 2023. Then pick that winner!
Jonnu is pathetic as a WR and a TE.

Every 1st play of every game Patriots play is .... wait for it ....

A RUNNING PLAY.

 

[upstater1]

Yeah, those were scouting botches, not effort botches.

Sanu is maybe on Brady. Wasn't Brady clamoring for Sanu after we cut AB?

 

[goheels22002]

Patriots Insider Believes Mac Jones Is Losing Belichick's Trust | PatsFans.com

The last few weeks have likely tested the relationship between Bill Belichick and Mac Jones, with one Patriots insider believing the rift may go deeper than that.

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Great piece, @Ian, but the whole story needs to be taken with a grain of salt. There's a lot of credence given to podcasters who expound on what Bill Belichick, Bob and Jonathan Kraft, and Mac Jones are thinking. While provocative, I don't buy it. I like all those guys - Curran and Perry - they are something of an echo chamber and often speculating on emotions or motivations as if they have some proof. I see none in their comments.

What if the truth is that Belichick is paying closer attention to his QB and some of the veterans in the knowledge that Bill O'Brien is coming back as OC in the offseason with a bucket load of cap money to take the next step in the re-build? What if the Krafts and Belichick have already developed a plan to hand the reins over to O'Brien or some other successor after Belichick eclipses Don Shula?

I see the Krafts and Belichick as long-term planners in the way they draft, bring in free agents, and let high-priced veterans depart for bigger paydays. Why is that not the case here? Look, Josh McDaniels appeared to be the heir apparent but couldn't pass on another opportunity with a storied franchise with a solid roster far superior to the Colts who he left at the altar. Belichick to throw lifeline to Patricia and Judge rather bring in some experienced, successful OC who may or may not have been a good fit at the time Josh accepted the LVR job.

They went with the devil they knew (which has not worked out) and bought time to take the next step on their terms. That's what they did with Cam Newton. O'Brien would come in with loads of experience with young QBs, as an OC at Alabama, and without the GM duties that were out of his league at Houston. Good fit all around.

If those are the circumstances, all this noise about frustrated QBs and coaches is transitory and irrelevant.

 

[Steve102]

Great piece, @Ian, but the whole story needs to be taken with a grain of salt. There's a lot of credence given to podcasters who expound on what Bill Belichick, Bob and Jonathan Kraft, and Mac Jones are thinking. While provocative, I don't buy it. I like all those guys - Curran and Perry - they are something of an echo chamber and often speculating on emotions or motivations as if they have some proof. I see none in their comments.

What if the truth is that Belichick is paying closer attention to his QB and some of the veterans in the knowledge that Bill O'Brien is coming back as OC in the offseason with a bucket load of cap money to take the next step in the re-build? What if the Krafts and Belichick have already developed a plan to hand the reins over to O'Brien or some other successor after Belichick eclipses Don Shula?

I see the Krafts and Belichick as long-term planners in the way they draft, bring in free agents, and let high-priced veterans depart for bigger paydays. Why is that not the case here? Look, Josh McDaniels appeared to be the heir apparent but couldn't pass on another opportunity with a storied franchise with a solid roster far superior to the Colts who he left at the altar. Belichick to throw lifeline to Patricia and Judge rather bring in some experienced, successful OC who may or may not have been a good fit at the time Josh accepted the LVR job.

They went with the devil they knew (which has not worked out) and bought time to take the next step on their terms. That's what they did with Cam Newton. O'Brien would come in with loads of experience with young QBs, as an OC at Alabama, and without the GM duties that were out of his league at Houston. Good fit all around.

If those are the circumstances, all this noise about frustrated QBs and coaches is transitory and irrelevant.

 

[Ian]

LOL, I posted that over a week ago, so it's funny to see other people responding to this now.

 

[Deus Irae]

I really don't think this is the case.

I think we finally started expending picks on WRs the last few years, but it hasn't worked out (N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton [yet!]), and it's the same with the TEs we gave a ton of money too.

I'd also argue that from 2016 on he started to give Brady weapons again (last time was 2007). Brandin Cooks, Antonio Brown, Mohamed Sanu, a few others.

He tried. These weren't bargain scrap players. Sanu cost a #2, Cooks a #1, AB $11m, N'Keal a 1st.

AB was an affordable gift horse, not a product of some system approach. Cooks cost a first, then brought a first. Instead of using that pick on another WR (D.J. Moore, Calvin Ridley and Courtland Sutton, among others, were still on the board), they burned it on Isaiah Wynn . Sanu was a panic move because BB had screwed up the WR position that season.