Curran Believes Jones is 'Making an Enemy' Out of Belichick

[Triumph]

I hear you, but I don't think there was any way they would have been able to keep the Raiders away from Mac long enough for the guys to get downfield.

Seems like most defense play prevent to stop the big TD.

 

[Ian]

Since were already on to 2023 and beyond lets just play all backups.

I like your thinking. Throw Zappe out there and let Mac rest for the Probowl.

Not really my thinking. More of a “I get why they’re doing it” thing.

 

[Triumph]

Why do you think it look like they give up everytime they are in 3rd and long and we see throws short of the sticks ?

Because the coaching staff doesn’t think Mac can make a play and want to avoid turnovers so they call safe plays and hope the receiver can make a guy miss to get the 1st

My sisters physical therapist worked for the Pats. He still has buddies and connections with the team.

He told my sister that behind the walls of Gillette the consensus is that Mac is a backup.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

They have plenty of time. I'm just telling you he's under contract until 2024

That depends if you want to lose two years or not

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Because Mac is a first-round pick and they've invested a lot of time in him and you don't give up on a player like that, especially one who threw for almost 4,000 yards and threw 22 touchdowns and won 10 games last year. Bad teams are reactionary and make rash decisions. This whole thing will play itself out and the "it is what it is" is in quotes because you know that's not me saying that

He wasn’t that great last year just 3 games that’s skew the impression of the season despite the majority of it that was average.

 

[upstater1]

I don't know about that. After everything Belichick has done this year which goes beyond the Patricia/Judge moves, you gotta wonder if Belichick is the GOAT Belichick anymore. See my last post. But other things I forgot is that he has the smallest coaching staff in the league which is probably a huge factor in why this team is making a lot of dumb mistakes. Pretty stupid to do that when you have guys with no experience at the three most important roles on offense with one of them in control of the two most important roles.

If Belichick made one of two bad mistakes, then Kraft would be stupid to let him go. But there is a long list this year which has to make Kraft wonder if Belichick is just really just going through the motions to stick it out long enough to get Shula's record or is he willing to do what is necessary to make this team a Super Bowl contender again. Based on this season, it is the former.

I disagree with practically all of this. There's a whole long list of top coaches making errors in assigning coordinators. Andy Reid has done this multiple times. This appears to be a first for Belichick. Maybe twice if you count Dean Pees.

As for small coaching staffs, I don't see how you're coming up with that. They have 10 coaches on the offensive side of the ball. This is a very big coaching staff. They used to have much smaller coaching staffs. Back when they were winning. If you reverse your argument and say they hired too many people, maybe that would be a fireable offense. I wouldn't say that, but I'm just presenting the facts.

I don't know what the long list is that you're referring to here. He hired Patricia and it didn't work. I think a big mistake at this point was also drafting Mac Jones. You can hold that against him.

 

[203Pat]

It seems like a lot of posters here think the team is 3-11 and the Pats didn't go to the playoffs last year. About half the league is doing worse than the Pats are doing now if you look at W/L outcomes.

Other good coaches with the same or worse records right now who I'm guessing aren't getting fired:
- Vrable
- McVay
- Thomlin
- Carrol
- LaFleur

So we are just looking at things with zero context now? Vrabel was the coach of the year last year and has overachieved basically every year with his roster and QB. McVay is coming off a Super Bowl win and a team that has been banged up all year at key positions. Tomlin is a long timer in a rebuild and a rookie QB who has missed a decent amount of time. Pete Carroll is in year one of a rebuild with a journeyman QB who is overachieving and has a handful of high first round picks coming his way. Lafleur coming into the year had the best coaching record in history through 40 games.

 

[lancerman]

If he went elsewhere and flourished we would lose the PR battle for the first time in a long time though.

This is the big one. If he goes to the Jets and does well. That's a major problem for everyone involved.

 

[archstanton543]

I don't know what the long list is that you're referring to here. He hired Patricia and it didn't work. I think a big mistake at this point was also drafting Mac Jones. You can hold that against him.

Wait. So, you would have rather they not drafted Mac?

 

[XLIX]

If he went elsewhere and flourished we would lose the PR battle for the first time in a long time though.

Yeah that would be horrible if Belichick lost a star QB because he refused to give him a good deal or make any sort of commitment and then that QB went elsewhere and won a Super Bowl in his first year with his new team.....

 

[upstater1]

Wait. So, you would have rather they not drafted Mac?

I think drafting Mac was absolutely the right decision.

I'm saying that in hindsight it was a mistake.

I go back to the context of drafting players WHEN they are drafted. That was the right decision then.

I'm not looking at this and saying, "Look who they could have taken!!!" That kind of thinking never makes sense to me.

If I could go back in time and take someone else, would I have?

First, I'm sure there are posts here from me during the draft wishing they could trade up for Justin Fields at 12 instead of taking Mac. That was me at the time. If I went back in time, I would do that.

 

[crawhammer]

And truthfully, he's been much better with the football the last month. We haven't seen any throws where we're holding our breath wondering if it will get picked off, even when he does throw downfield. And that's more in line with what we saw from him in his rookie season.

Mac Jones over the last month with some comparisons...

Mac Jones over the last month (4 games):
1-3, 61.7 cmp%, 231 Y/G, 6.6 Y/A, 3 TD, 1 INT, 84.9 passer rating

Daniel Jones over the last month (4 games):
1-2-1, 68.0 cmp%, 189 Y/G, 6.1 Y/A, 3 TD, 0 INT, 92.0 passer rating

Andy Dalton over the last month (4 games):
2-2, 70.7 cmp%, 211 Y/G, 8.5 Y/A, 6 TD, 0 INT, 116.7 passer rating

Josh Allen over the last month (4 games):
4-0, 61.3 cmp%, 231 Y/G, 6.5 Y/A, 9 TD, 1 INT, 98.5 passer rating

Trevor Lawrence over the last month (4 games):
3-1, 67.8 cmp%, 297 Y/G, 7.8 Y/A, 11 TD, 1 INT, 112.4 passer rating

How about Mac Jones in the 4th quarter with some comparisons...

Mac Jones in the 4th quarter 2022:
59.8 cmp%, 0 TD, 2 INTs, 68.9 passer rating

Kyle Allen in the 4th quarter 2022:
55.2 cmp%, 2 TD, 2 INTs, 70.3 passer rating

Brett Rypien in the 4th quarter 2022:
63.3 cmp%, 2 TD, 1 INTs, 81.1 passer rating

Tom Brady in the 4th quarter 2022:
66.7 cmp%, 10 TD, 3 INTs, 93.8 passer rating

Joe Burrow in the 4th quarter 2022:
70.2 cmp%, 11 TD, 2 INTs, 117.9 passer rating

And as far as Mac's drop off from last season...

Mac Jones in the 4th quarter 2021:
62.8 cmp%, 8 TD, 3 INTs, 94.9 passer rating

 

[PatsFan2]

I disagree with practically all of this. There's a whole long list of top coaches making errors in assigning coordinators. Andy Reid has done this multiple times. This appears to be a first for Belichick. Maybe twice if you count Dean Pees.

As for small coaching staffs, I don't see how you're coming up with that. They have 10 coaches on the offensive side of the ball. This is a very big coaching staff. They used to have much smaller coaching staffs. Back when they were winning. If you reverse your argument and say they hired too many people, maybe that would be a fireable offense. I wouldn't say that, but I'm just presenting the facts.

I don't know what the long list is that you're referring to here. He hired Patricia and it didn't work. I think a big mistake at this point was also drafting Mac Jones. You can hold that against him.

Speaking of mistakes that I can agree with.

 

[catent]

Benching Mac now will do no good. The season is almost over, let the kid finish.

Considering there is a playoff berth on the line and the team needs wins to achieve it, the quality of the QB play is very relevant to the potential outcome of the season.

Will Zappe necessarily be better than Jones and give them a better chance to win over these final 3 games? No guarantee, but if history is any indication, it’s a real possibility.

And if that’s the case, then there is in fact possible good that could come from sitting Mac (note my choice of the word “possible” in that last sentence; I’m not saying sitting Mac is guaranteed to give the team a better chance, but it’s within the realm of possibility based on what we’ve seen).

 

[PatsFan2]

So we are just looking at things with zero context now? Vrabel was the coach of the year last year and has overachieved basically every year with his roster and QB. McVay is coming off a Super Bowl win and a team that has been banged up all year at key positions. Tomlin is a long timer in a rebuild and a rookie QB who has missed a decent amount of time. Pete Carroll is in year one of a rebuild with a journeyman QB who is overachieving and has a handful of high first round picks coming his way. Lafleur coming into the year had the best coaching record in history through 40 games.

 

[Triumph]

I just want to win this Saturday,

I dont care if Steve Belichick is QB. We have a golden opportunity to shock the world.

 

[Rob0729]

I disagree with practically all of this. There's a whole long list of top coaches making errors in assigning coordinators. Andy Reid has done this multiple times. This appears to be a first for Belichick. Maybe twice if you count Dean Pees.

As for small coaching staffs, I don't see how you're coming up with that. They have 10 coaches on the offensive side of the ball. This is a very big coaching staff. They used to have much smaller coaching staffs. Back when they were winning. If you reverse your argument and say they hired too many people, maybe that would be a fireable offense. I wouldn't say that, but I'm just presenting the facts.

I don't know what the long list is that you're referring to here. He hired Patricia and it didn't work. I think a big mistake at this point was also drafting Mac Jones. You can hold that against him.

Andy Reid putting Juan Castillo at defensive coordinator was one of Reid's biggest mistakes of his career. Even he admits that.

I could be wrong, I read somewhere that the Pats have the smallest coaching staffs in the league. It could be main staff members and not low level assistants. They don't have a dedicated o-line coach which means there is one less of the main coaching staff on offense.

I listed a lot of things he did wrong this year.

 

[upstater1]

Andy Reid putting Juan Castillo at defensive coordinator was one of Reid's biggest mistakes of his career. Even he admits that.

I could be wrong, I read somewhere that the Pats have the smallest coaching staffs in the league. It could be main staff members and not low level assistants. They don't have a dedicated o-line coach which means there is one less of the main coaching staff on offense.

I listed a lot of things he did wrong this year.

You said there is a long list, but you don't specify, so I don't know what you're referring to. Billy Yates is an extra OL coach. We have an RB coach, TE, WR, 1 assistant OL, QB, passing game coaches (Rothstein), and an Ass't WR coach in Ross Douglas. We also have Hughes who is not specified but who spent his career previously as a QB coach elsewhere.

Andy Reid also fired Sean McDermott and some other coordinators, it wasn't only Castillo.

 

[Triumph]

Benching Mac now will do no good. The season is almost over, let the kid finish.

Nobody is suggesting that Jones does not start this Saturday.

If the Pats are down by more than 10 points and the offense is sputtering then make a change at QB.

 

[sb1]

Let Stidham I mean Zappe play to see what he’s got!