Curran Believes Jones is 'Making an Enemy' Out of Belichick

[All3Phases]

They've shown progress from 2020. There just hasn't been a noticeable jump from 2021 to 2022. But I think most people who followed the off season realize that this year we did in fact lose more talent than we brought on and lost our OC.

I wasn't particularly high on our prospects this season to begin with, but I didn't expect to have a stellar defense that would have been able to carry us and have a completely incompetent offense that kneecapped us that got us right to the edge of playoffs again.

The offense is equally as bad in 2022 as it was in 2020, you have 0 answers on your qb, and you can say they lost the OC, they didn’t try and replace him. That’s on the organization, it’s part of the mess. They went 7-9 in 2020 and on the verge of being 7-10 or 8-9 this year. After 3 full years there’s a very good chance they’ll be under .500 with question marks all over the place

 

[All3Phases]

They've also got to go after a prominent playmaker this offseason. Unfortunately, that trend is becoming a big one, and it's no longer a lucky few teams who seem to have one. We're already seeing it just within the division, and most of the teams who did have success this year had a top guy who made defenses pay attention, which made a lot of the mid-tier guys they have also look better. We've got a good group, but teams are definitely not being forced to really double anybody these days.

If you're not going to have an elite QB on your roster, you need to at least put a ton of talent around him. You can get by without it when you have Brady. When you have guys like Kirk Cousins or Jalen Hurts - or Mac - you've got to have that type of player to contend now.

Talent and scheme. The teams that have been successful without elite qbs over the past few years have been modern schemes. Rams, 49ers, dolphins

 

[Ian]

Talent and scheme. The teams that have been successful without elite qbs over the past few years have been modern schemes. Rams, 49ers, dolphins

Definitely true, but two of the teams you mentioned also have ridiculous talent on offense with at least one prominent playmaker.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

We see routes short of the sticks. Which is the bigger problem.

We see routes short of the sticks because it’s called that way. Because they don’t thrust Mac throwing the ball in critical situations. since his injury his average depth of target is at the bottom of the league because the coaching staff don’t want him turning the ball over.

At some point we need to realize that if the game are called that way is also cause by Mac’s limitation and not just because Matt Patricia doesn’t know what his doing.

 

[All3Phases]

Definitely true, but two of the teams you mentioned also have ridiculous talent on offense with at least one prominent playmaker.

Agree, definitely need playmakers. I think there’s 2 routes to go in todays league. Overall you have to be elite offensively, but either have a unicorn at qb (mahomes, Allen, Brady, manning, etc) or elite talent and scheme (usually those go hand in hand). Teams are starting to realize that you need to get the ball to playmakers in open space

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Talent and scheme. The teams that have been successful without elite qbs over the past few years have been modern schemes. Rams, 49ers, dolphins

Define successful because the 49ers haven’t won anything yet and I’ll argue that the reason they didn’t was because they didn’t have elite to very good QB. Same with the Rams before Stafford came.

I am sure that 49ers fans are asking themselves what they could have won and what they could win if they had a QB with the talent they had the last few years

 

[libra957]

Benching Mac now will do no good. The season is almost over, let the kid finish.

 

[XLIX]

Benching Mac now will do no good. The season is almost over, let the kid finish.

Bull. Letting Zappe start will do a lot of good in determining exactly what Zappe is. We saw both goid and bad from him but he never really had the chance to fully practice and prepare and play.

If Jones wants to act like a primadonna - while
playing as poorly as he does - he can spend some time on the bench.

 

[Trolltolls]

Curran is just being dramatic, I mean that's his job but come on....

 

[All3Phases]

Define successful because the 49ers haven’t won anything yet and I’ll argue that the reason they didn’t was because they didn’t have elite to very good QB. Same with the Rams before Stafford came.

I am sure than 49ers fans are asking themselves what they could have won and what they could win if they had a QB with this the talent they had the last few years

they’ve been competitive multiple times since Shanahan took over, you don’t need to go to 10 straight super bowls to be successful

 

[Triumph]

To be fair he hasn’t thrown many INT since they stopped asking him to throw more than 10 yards consistently

Great.

When you watch defenses they load the box vs him.

 

[Ian]

Bull. Letting Zappe start will do a lot of good in determining exactly what Zappe is.

They've got him under contract for the next three seasons. They're not in a rush there and don't need to do anything prematurely and have plenty of time to evaluate him. Again, he's going to have the same type of offseason opportunity that Mac had to get stronger, work on his mechanics, etc. Belichick historically notices these things (that's how Brady flew up the depth chart) so if the kid gets stronger and competes hard in camp and Mac stays stuck in neutral, he'll absolutely get his shot.

 

[Ian]

We saw both goid and bad from him but he never really had the chance to fully practice and prepare and play.

Sure he did. He was the starter against both Detroit and Cleveland and got all the reps.

Again, plenty of time to make a determination there.

 

[Love The Drake]

They've got him under contract for the next three seasons. They're not in a rush there and don't need to do anything prematurely and have plenty of time to evaluate him. Again, he's going to have the same type of offseason opportunity that Mac had to get stronger, work on his mechanics, etc. Belichick historically notices these things (that's how Brady flew up the depth chart) so if the kid gets stronger and competes hard in camp and Mac stays stuck in neutral, he'll absolutely get his shot.

I think it’s more about do they go after a Jimmy G or dare I say Tom, or draft a prospect in the first or second round or trade down to trade into the 24 draft.
They need to know what they have in them as of their development and grasp of the the offensive concepts they have been trying to instill.
Mac may look great in practice wearing a non contact jersey but the thought, fear or threat of getting hit may make him a coward on the field.
You need to see how Zappe is in those similar situations at least alternate drives.
It’s not like Mac or the offense gets in a rhythm anyway.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'd start Zappe last game of the season if Mac plays poorly the next 2 games. Why not? When there's no post season, a club should start assessing players AND STAFF for the next season.

 

[Triumph]

They need tackle help far more. You can't put any QB behind this offensive line and expect to be consistently good. I think you've forgotten that Zappe was strip-sacked at least twice in the couple of games he played in. Gotta be able to protect whoever is back there, and they need to get quality depth in there ASAP.

Without question Zappe played better. Check out his numbers. Zappe needs better pocket awareness and better feel for the DL trying to tip passes. Zappe bears the brunt of responsibility for how the offense performs good or bad. The ball is in his hands. If an OL misses a block thats the way it goes. It happens. Orlando Brown for KC is missing blocks and Mahomes has to react. Josh Allen does not get Wall of China blocking every game. Look at the Jets game. The OL was not the issue in Las Vegas.

You're not winning in todays NFL without a good QB. A very good QB is coming to town on Saturday. Burrows has transformed the Bengals into legitimate Super Bowl contenders.

Furthermore, a good QB can make his OL look great because he gets the ball out quickly and his deep ball is a legit concern that defenses need to respect.

 

[Ian]

We see routes short of the sticks because it’s called that way. Because they don’t thrust Mac throwing the ball in critical situations. since his injury his average depth of target is at the bottom of the league because the coaching staff don’t want him turning the ball over.

At some point we need to realize that if the game are called that way is also cause by Mac’s limitation and not just because Matt Patricia doesn’t know what his doing.

A lot of those routes are literally two yards shy of the sticks. Mac can throw two extra yards.

I get the argument about the downfield throws, but I saw another still someone posted complaining about this, and two guys in the still they posted were both at the same depth and literally two yards short of moving the chains. It's mind-numbing that we're seeing that.

I think you're also forgetting about what we saw last season - and I mentioned this yesterday. Mac threw a pick-six against Dallas and Josh came right back and he threw that touchdown pass to Bourne. They're not operating that way this year and it's tough to build confidence when you're not doing it consistently.

And truthfully, he's been much better with the football the last month. We haven't seen any throws where we're holding our breath wondering if it will get picked off, even when he does throw downfield. And that's more in line with what we saw from him in his rookie season.

 

[Triumph]

They handed it off and crossed their fingers maybe he could break into the second-level and maybe gain a block like he's done previously. It unfortunately didn't happen and obviously, it didn't end well.

OK

Seems like throwing would have used up less time.

 

[Ian]

Without question Zappe played better. Check out his numbers.

I know his numbers. I've entered every one of his plays into the stats database

They have plenty of time. I'm just telling you he's under contract until (edit) 2025, so there's no rush to make a move right now. But it's entirely possible that we're having a different conversation this offseason depending on how things finish.

 

[Ian]

OK

Seems like throwing would have used up less time.

I hear you, but I don't think there was any way they would have been able to keep the Raiders away from Mac long enough for the guys to get downfield.