Curran Believes Jones is 'Making an Enemy' Out of Belichick

[venecol]

My point is "So what?". I find it interesting that, as this has played out in the way so many thought it would, which was that BB's machinations could/would lead to a really-bad-to-disastrous year on offense, people continue to try making this an issue about Jones, when it's so clearly a Belichick problem. If BB wants to make an enemies list, he needs to start with himself, because he's been a freakin' disaster for the Patriots, and for his own legacy, this year.

BB should have known this was a train wreck waiting to happen and taken steps to minimize the possible/likely negatives that so easy to see. So if he wants to be pissed off at his QB because his' QB isn't sufficiently meek as to quietly put up with all of this ********, then let him. Functionally, it won't make any difference at this point.

Or, to put this another way, how many good, healthy teams with a good QB, and in good weather conditions, has Belichick beaten since Brady left, that we should be worrying about BB having a case of the mads instead of worrying that BB's screwing up the so-called rebuild?

I agree with you that this season is 100% on Belichick. I also agree that he hasn't done anything to impress since 2019 to make the team better.

However, that doesn't entirely discount the poor level of play by Mac since 2021 Week 15.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think the trade down turned out to be great value but I’d have to agree Guards can be found later on. A Wr that some is us where clamoring for, Christian Watson, should’ve been the pick at 29.

We could have had George Pickens too and A.J. Brown is that Harry Draft what could have been.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

We could have had George Pickens too and A.J. Brown is that Harry Draft what could have been.

Not crapping on our draft (actually thought it turned out well) but could you imagine watson, Pickens, the Jones bros, strong, zappe, and k Harris in one haul?

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree with you that this season is 100% on Belichick. I also agree that he hasn't done anything to impress since 2019 to make the team better.

However, that doesn't entirely discount the poor level of play by Mac since 2021 Week 15.

Opponents in 2021, week 15 on:

Colts
Bills
Jaguars
Dolphins
Bills



Tough for me to ride a rookie QB's ass for hitting the wall and/or just (mostly) struggling against that group at the end of the season, especially given that he was fine against the Titans just before being practically zeroed out of the first Bills game by his own team's game planning.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree. Jones has no leverage. He'll either not play, or be moved. Belichick would be the last one standing in that situation. Unless he was to tell Kraft otherwise.

I have a feeling Jones would like to be moved. I think he wants out of here no matter what happens. Even if they get a new coaching staff and he turns into a good or even great QB next year, I think he is out of New England the first chance he gets. If it is either him or Belichick in New England next year, I think he will welcome a trade.

 

[PatsFan2]

Not crapping on our draft (actually thought it turned out well) but could you imagine watson, Pickens, the Jones bros, strong, zappe, and k Harris in one haul?

 

[masterbouncer]

PFF has him at #17 out of 86 overall and in pass blocking and #21 in run blocking.

Strange is #67 overall, #39 in pass blocking & #70 in run blocking.

Onwenu is #3.

I wish we would've kept Mason and drafted a WR or CB in the 1st round.

in first place the Pats should have not extended Mason but use the money on Thuney, with Thuney as LG and Onwenu as RG you would have a great IOL, that would have probably lead to a different 1st round pick last year (instead of having Mason and Onwenu that are playing the same position though Onwenu was not all to bad as RT its still not his best position)
What they did with shipping out Mason was to free up cap (to waste it somewhere else like on Dropgholor, Jonnu Cashitin etc..) while freeing up the natural best fit/spot for Onwenu on the line

 

[venecol]

Opponents in 2021, week 15 on:

Colts
Bills
Jaguars
Dolphins
Bills



Tough for me to ride a rookie QB's ass for hitting the wall and/or just (mostly) struggling against that group at the end of the season, especially given that he was fine against the Titans just before being practically zeroed out of the first Bills game by his own team's game planning.

Sure, I get it, he's still a rookie. (Jules didn't want to hear the rookie excuse after his 3rd gm).

He had a good game against a Henry-less Titans. He had several good games against several other teams. Hell, the Pats were #1 seed (9-4) after the windstorm game. So, it's not like he wasn't well versed in Josh's system. Then the Colts say: we're going to force Mac to beat us. Then the Bills say: we're going to force Mac to beat us. He ends up going 1-4. I think teams have figured out his limitations as a QB and nobody is afraid of him. Did he get a raw deal this season with Judge as his QB whisperer & Fat Matt as defacto OC? Abso-effing-lutely.

Imo he's not the guy. Call it what you will.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have a feeling Jones would like to be moved. I think he wants out of here no matter what happens. Even if they get a new coaching staff and he turns into a good or even great QB next year, I think he is out of New England the first chance he gets. If it is either him or Belichick in New England next year, I think he will welcome a trade.

I don't think it's a Mac vs BB issue.

It's a Mac vs Fat Matt issue and in this situation BB is backing Fat Matt for sure.

Josh was the buffer between Tom and Bill.

Mac needs a buffer.....if it's not too late.

 

[PatsFan2]

Sure, I get it, he's still a rookie. (Jules didn't want to hear the rookie excuse after his 3rd gm).

He had a good game against a Henry-less Titans. He had several good games against several other teams. Hell, the Pats were #1 seed (9-4) after the windstorm game. So, it's not like he wasn't well versed in Josh's system. Then the Colts say: we're going to force Mac to beat us. Then the Bills say: we're going to force Mac to beat us. He ends up going 1-4. I think teams have figured out his limitations as a QB and nobody is afraid of him. Did he get a raw deal this season with Judge as his QB whisperer & Fat Matt as defacto OC? Abso-effing-lutely.

Imo he's not the guy. Call it what you will.

Remember that First Round guy?? Arizona moved on very quickly it's not an absolute that a guy gets a Third year if they leave a lot to be desired.

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[Love The Drake]

Remember that First Round guy?? Arizona moved on very quickly it's not an absolute that a guy gets a Third year if they leave a lot to be desired.

Josh Rosen Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

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I’ve been saying this all season.

 

[XLIX]

If the team wants to play hardball, no, but if Mac wants to be a pain in the ass he could make things difficult.

That would put him at the end of a long line of players who played hardball here and got absolutely nothing in return for their efforts.

 

[venecol]

Remember that First Round guy?? Arizona moved on very quickly it's not an absolute that a guy gets a Third year if they leave a lot to be desired.

Josh Rosen Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for Minnesota Vikings Quarterback Josh Rosen on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

And that's my concern. Bill will never do that. After seeing how long he kept Harry and extending Wynn, it worries me he'll do the same with Mac and put the team in QB purgatory, which will set the rebuild back 5 years.

 

[catent]

A lot of hot air from Curran. Nothing specific, no information, no thoughtful analysis. Just a somewhat incoherent, disjointed, ramble about what he seems to think.

His commentary is about as useful as crowdsourcing posts from here. Not worth much.

 

[PatsFan2]

I’ve been saying this all season.

Homers would disagree though.

 

[PatsFan2]

And that's my concern. Bill will never do that. After seeing how long he kept Harry and extending Wynn, it worries me he'll do the same with Mac and put the team in QB purgatory, which will set the rebuild back 5 years.

Well BB doesn't have that much time left I see a good Two year run with a legit QB not named you know who.

 

[PatsFan2]

I have a feeling Jones would like to be moved. I think he wants out of here no matter what happens. Even if they get a new coaching staff and he turns into a good or even great QB next year, I think he is out of New England the first chance he gets. If it is either him or Belichick in New England next year, I think he will welcome a trade.

The Patriots won't be getting back good returns unfortunately.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

I liked the first Gladys more.

And the first Derwood too

 

[signbabybrady]

My point is "So what?". I find it interesting that, as this has played out in the way so many thought it would, which was that BB's machinations could/would lead to a really-bad-to-disastrous year on offense, people continue to try making this an issue about Jones, when it's so clearly a Belichick problem. If BB wants to make an enemies list, he needs to start with himself, because he's been a freakin' disaster for the Patriots, and for his own legacy, this year.

BB should have known this was a train wreck waiting to happen and taken steps to minimize the possible/likely negatives that so easy to see. So if he wants to be pissed off at his QB because his' QB isn't sufficiently meek as to quietly put up with all of this ********, then let him. Functionally, it won't make any difference at this point.

Or, to put this another way, how many good, healthy teams with a good QB, and in good weather conditions, has Belichick beaten since Brady left, that we should be worrying about BB having a case of the mads instead of worrying that BB's screwing up the so-called rebuild?

Bill made some mistakes your saying that justifies Mac making him an enemy. I get it everyone's mad at Bill for the Offensive Staff but the question is what now? I for one certainly don't want to see a war go down.

 

[SVN]

Brady is the GOAT. Cannot compare him to Mac Jones.

I can sympathize with Mac for his situation. I would prefer he didn't act like he did. But even if Mac was playing like last year with at least some second year progression, this offense is such a mess that he couldn't overcome it. In fact, I don't think 2006 Brady could overcome the deficiencies of this offense.

And as for Belichick potential firing, it would be mostly because of this year. Again, can you name another coach who could survive putting a defensive coach as the OC AND o-line coach and have the offense be as big of as a disaster as it is and keep his job? I wouldn't give an experience OC both the OC and o-line responsibilities, never mind someone with no experience in either category.

I admit I gave Belichick the benefit of the doubt before the season and thought Patricia could work. But that was because of "in Bill we trust". I would have probably mocked another team that did it.

Ex-Patriots Assistant Crushes Bill Belichick For Matt Patricia Failure

A former member of Bill Belichick's coaching staff took the New England Patriots head coach to task for his failed Matt Patricia experiment.

nesn.com

Lombardi compared Belichick’s decision to have Patricia, a defensive coach for most of his career, call offensive plays to Andy Reid’s choice to move respected O-line Juan Castillo to defensive coordinator in 2011. That experiment flopped, with the “dream team” Eagles finishing a disappointing 8-8. Castillo was let go a month into the 2012 season, and the Eagles canned Reid a few months later.

Regarding brady - yes he is the GOAT but its these intangibles whcih made him one. even in college with drew henson behind his shoulder he kept playing. yes the oc sucks,but do your job.