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Could BB surprise us and NOT take a LB?

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Belicheck knows way more than any of us what he needs the most to get this team to the title. If he bypasses grabbing a lb on day one I'd be disappointed-but I would assume he will be adding a Jason Taylor. I believe that coach knows he has to add some fuel to the pass rush. We have a gaping hole at ILB next to Mayo. Somwhere in this draft, or in free agency he has to get some help.
 
Would not be surprised. People talk about the abundance of high quality LB ad DE/OLB conversions in this year's class, but I disagree. Anybody foolish enough to spend a top 15 pick on a Maybin, Ayers, Orakpo, Cushing or Matthews to fill an immediate need at LB is in for really some serious disappointment.

I see only Curry, Maualuga, and maybe Everette Brown and Laurinitis (now underrated if anything), as being worthy of a first or high second round pick.

The more I think about it, I think that BB goes for value over need this year.
 
Box,

In my ideal draft, I would have taken all the early picks. This draft has maybe 40 First round picks in it. Why wait a year for a second to become a first, when you can get the equivalent this year without waiting? My picks would be:

Willian Beatty LOT @23
James Laurainitis ILB @ 34
Connor Barwin/Larry English @ OLB 47
Ron Brace NT @ 58
Well that's nice, but you presume Beatty is an upgrade over Light, Kaczur, or LeVoir - perhaps he is, but I haven't seen it. I've already stated Laurinaitis is over-valued for what he offers the team, so I'm not impressed. English may well still be there at #47, but I believe those who expect Barwin there aren't paying enough attention to the demand for athletic pass rushers - if Aaron Maybin is projected in the top 15 so often Barwin is easily a better value then you allow - and those attempting to see English as an equivalent talent aren't looking that closely either. I'd expect Ron Brace to go a little earlier given the demand for 3-4 DL in this draft.

And then then the best remaining Safety @ 3
From among Chung, Vaughn or Moore
It's very likey all three would be gone before #89, not a good strategy.

And then Pat White QB/TB/S with the compensatory pick @ 3

I would hope to pick up Tidbury, Unger, a RB, and Tom Morestead P from the dregs.
Unger? He's very likely gone before the mid-second. Sidbury? If he lasts beyond round 3 I'll be surprised, he's just as likely to be taken in the second.

My thinking is if you can draft a future LOT take him. There is an oppening for an ILB right now. And rookies can start there, take a good one.

There are several developmental DE--> OLB conversions going on, and I don't know the status of any. Barwin or any rookie will just be beginning a multi-year conversion/development. Tedy took 3-4 years, likewise TBC; Woods has taken 3 years+, Crabel and Redd are 1 year in; and the draftee would just be starting year 0. Get the talent, but don't count on it, for this year.

Ditto for the reserve NT; when you find a good one, take him. They are rare. Then take a reserve S.

Pat White willl probably never be a starting QB; but he might well be a quality backup QB, and the best of this terrible bunch; and occasional Single Wing tailback, triple threat. And if that doesn't work, a pretty good S or WR.

The others are just guesses.

No I would not be surprised to see BB load up on linemen. But I'd like to get one defensive starter this year too; and ILB is where he can come in and play.

Beside have you noticed that BB cleared up all his possible holes with vet pickups,elsewhere. He did NOT load up on vet LBs. An Indication perhaps??
BB always tries to close the loopholes, this year is no different.

Who were the available vet LBs that had any value for NE?

A reserve NT is nice, but BB has one at a decent price, buying another doesn't make a lot of sense.

Barwin is a conversion project, but at what position? Supposedly Mayock would make him a TE day one. Could he be a TE and also focus on being a situational pass rusher rather than a full service OLB? This is BB we're talking about.

Pat White is not an NFL Quarterback, he is a fine athlete who could be developed as a WR.

Defensive starter, what good is Laurinaitis inside? Ochmed may have seen improvement in his ability to take on a block, but he's a long way from being anything but a liability in the run game. Mayo was able to make up ground with his speed, Laurinaitis doesn't have that going for him. There are later round projections who are just as, if not more athletic, and play downhill much, much better. If you want a defensive starter as a rookie you'll need a player who is a better fit for what NE does at SILB. Heck, many pundits think Laurinaitis is better as a 4-3 WLB and not at MLB.
 
I could see BB not drafting a linebacker at all... if he signs or trades for a veteran linebacker. But I think it's an either or, and possibly he might even do both. The Pats have scrutinized this year's linebackers quite closely if you examined their visits/workouts. More olbs than ilbs too.

I'd like to see Barwin and Gilbert in Pats uniform come 2009, but in BB I trust, because it's really hard to tell how his drafts will turn out.
 
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I am expecting that BB will surprise us. I know whatever he does will be better than any idea I have had...

While we are crazyfor a LB or 2 he had seen Crable, Redd, Guyton & Woods in practice and knows what their ceiling is in our system. He knows what he need to do to strengthen the team.

Don't sell yourself short; Bill hasn't exactly set the league on fire lately with his drafting acumen.

The progress - or lack thereof - of Crable, Redd, Woods & Craig during the off-season might determine whether Bill takes an OLB within the first 2 rounds. Perhaps he also knows that Jason Taylor will sign with him after 2-a-days conclude during TC.

As for ILB, it's possible that Bill plans on using Adalius at OLB and drafting one of Laurinaitis, Mauluga or Cushing to play alongside Mayo for the next 5 years. The fact that somebody like Andra Davis wasn't signed may indeed be an indication of his intent to seek ILB help through the draft instead.

Or, he may just come to the conclusion that his idea of value would be better served at other positions when 23, 34, 47 & 58 arrive. If he chooses to take Darius Butler, Will Beatty, Jarron Gilbert & Will Moore - all top players at other positions of need - but no LB, then I can live with that, I suppose.

Still, when will we ever see this combination of quantity & quality at OLB, at exactly the spots where we have multiple picks?
 
Certainly, and it wouldn't be much of a surprise.

Wouldn't surprise me if BB did not take a LB in the entire draft never mind first round.

I'll be a dissenting voice...I think it would be a big surprise. Not so much because we're all focusing on day-1 OLBs, but because the team has been focusing on day-1 OLBs in its workouts and visits.

Sure, they could mix things up by, say, trading 23 + 47 for Jenkins, then taking Gilbert at 34, and the best value left at 58 would be at a position like OL or WR. But as I say, that would be mixing things up and a surprise. If they do use all 4 day-1 picks, I'm betting there will be an OLB in the bunch.
 
The defense has slipped in the past couple of years. My fear is

that the Patriots will draft for offense instead of defense or trade

most of their 2009 picks for 2010 picks.
 
I'll be a dissenting voice...I think it would be a big surprise. Not so much because we're all focusing on day-1 OLBs, but because the team has been focusing on day-1 OLBs in its workouts and visits.

Sure, they could mix things up by, say, trading 23 + 47 for Jenkins, then taking Gilbert at 34, and the best value left at 58 would be at a position like OL or WR. But as I say, that would be mixing things up and a surprise. If they do use all 4 day-1 picks, I'm betting there will be an OLB in the bunch.
Yes they have been looking at Day One OLB, yet the visit numbers paint a different story:
CB: Jenkins, Davis, Smith...and maybe Butler if you give credance to BB at the Pro Day (I don't, but that's just me).
OLB: Ayers & Barwin, the others are projected in the third round or later, these are the only two whom Gosselin thinks may sneak into Round One. NFL draft preview: Defensive line | NFL Draft News | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News
DL: Hood & Gilbert.
OL: A. Smith

We have no reporting on local prospect visits, but there is reporting on 25 of the magic 30. I would like an OLB for Christmas in April, but BB has set the board with variety. :confused2:

EDIT: Will he take one Day One? That seems likely with Sidbury and C. Brown getting consideration, but #23 isn't as sure a thing.
 
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EDIT: Will he take one Day One? That seems likely with Sidbury and C. Brown getting consideration, but #23 isn't as sure a thing.

Definitely agree. I see DE, OT, CB & OLB all in play at #23. By #58, though, I expect to see an OLB prospect on board.
 
Definitely agree. I see DE, OT, CB & OLB all in play at #23. By #58, though, I expect to see an OLB prospect on board.
Throw in C/G at #23 too, more as a security that will hopefully be part of a trade down, but I'm expecting a run on OT and QB to shift the weight to defense and C/G in the later first.
 
Would I be surprised if Belichick didn't draft a linebacker in the first two rounds? Of course not! It is fan boards that have been drafting one or two linebackers a year since Belichick arrived, not Belichick himself.

OLB
Perhaps Belichick believes that
1) it take 2-3 years to develop an OLB in our system.
2) Woods is an OK starter (what draftee would start?).
3) that Crable and Redd are doing fine in their development.
4) he can draft another prospect after Day One if he sees someome he wants, since the appropriate time for prospects at the right value is Round 3 and beyond.
5) each year he can meet depth needs with free agents as he has this year with TBC.
6) there are much better values for our Day One picks.
7) Mayo was a special case, a top 10 stud (sometimes such players can contribute early).

ILB
Perhaps Belichick believes that
1) while it is clear that we should draft an ILB prospect, we are fine for 2009 with mayo, Bruschi and Guyton.
2) Bruschi has one more year of contribution, perhaps mostly as a backup.
3) Guyton is ready to share the load with Bruschi, and is developing well.
4) Ruud could compete with a Day Two rookie for the developmental draftee.

BOTTOM LINE
A) Some of us believe that there are Day One picks which meet the normal value proposition for Day One picks: major contribution expected by the end of their second year. Some of us believe that there are players who meet the Round One value requirement of contributing in their first year and potential starter in Year 2.

B) I believe that we should treat 23 and 34 as first round picks, since as Box points out, 34 is essentailly the same position as a comp #1. We should treat 47 and 58 as Round 2 picks, rather than our 3rd and 4th picks and expect Second Round value for the picks.

C) Personally, I expect that Belichick is ready for the season even with little contributions from draftees at linebacker. However, I do see several players who might meet the above criteria: Everette Brown, Maualuga, Laurinitis, and Matthews. The issue is whether any linebackers are worth a 1st or 2nd rounder to the patriots. The answer could very well be a firm "No".

DRAFTING WITHOUT A LINEBACKER ON DAY ONE (there are many other possibilities)
23 CB Jenkins or RB Brown or LT Beatty
34 OL Wood
47 DE Gilbert
58 SS W. Moore
89 ILB there are many choices
 
Don't sell yourself short; Bill hasn't exactly set the league on fire lately with his drafting acumen.

 
Throw in C/G at #23 too, more as a security that will hopefully be part of a trade down, but I'm expecting a run on OT and QB to shift the weight to defense and C/G in the later first.

If we did go C/OG in the first round, we would literally have our pick of the draft. Not a bad thing, except I think it violates his "draft for value" pattern.
 
I think 34 is early enough if there is someone we really want.

If we did go C/OG in the first round, we would literally have our pick of the draft. Not a bad thing, except I think it violates his "draft for value" pattern.
 
I've been wondering similar:

1) Guyton may have made huge progress late last year in Belichick's view, and he may be happy with him starting next to Mayo.
2) The same could be true for one of the young OLB's.
3) The same could be saying for one or more of the young cornerbacks.

If any one of these is true, it shifts the focus of the draft to rebuilding of one of the lines. If two or three are true, then both lines may be the focus. And that would be the best possibel scenario for the team.

Does anyone on this board know different?

OLB
Perhaps Belichick believes that
1) it take 2-3 years to develop an OLB in our system.
2) Woods is an OK starter (what draftee would start?).
3) that Crable and Redd are doing fine in their development.
4) he can draft another prospect after Day One if he sees someome he wants, since the appropriate time for prospects at the right value is Round 3 and beyond.
5) each year he can meet depth needs with free agents as he has this year with TBC.
6) there are much better values for our Day One picks.
7) Mayo was a special case, a top 10 stud (sometimes such players can contribute early).

ILB
Perhaps Belichick believes that
1) while it is clear that we should draft an ILB prospect, we are fine for 2009 with mayo, Bruschi and Guyton.
2) Bruschi has one more year of contribution, perhaps mostly as a backup.
3) Guyton is ready to share the load with Bruschi, and is developing well.
4) Ruud could compete with a Day Two rookie for the developmental draftee.

BOTTOM LINE
A) Some of us believe that there are Day One picks which meet the normal value proposition for Day One picks: major contribution expected by the end of their second year. Some of us believe that there are players who meet the Round One value requirement of contributing in their first year and potential starter in Year 2.

B) I believe that we should treat 23 and 34 as first round picks, since as Box points out, 34 is essentailly the same position as a comp #1. We should treat 47 and 58 as Round 2 picks, rather than our 3rd and 4th picks and expect Second Round value for the picks.

C) Personally, I expect that Belichick is ready for the season even with little contributions from draftees at linebacker. However, I do see several players who might meet the above criteria: Everette Brown, Maualuga, Laurinitis, and Matthews. The issue is whether any linebackers are worth a 1st or 2nd rounder to the patriots. The answer could very well be a firm "No".

DRAFTING WITHOUT A LINEBACKER ON DAY ONE (there are many other possibilities)
23 CB Jenkins or RB Brown or LT Beatty
34 OL Wood
47 DE Gilbert
58 SS W. Moore
89 ILB there are many choices
 
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I refused to be surprised by anything BB does on Draft Day anymore (Daniel Graham, Logan Mankins, etc.). The only reason not taking a LB in the 1st two rounds would surprise me is the number of picks (4), the apparent need, and the depth of the position this year, particulary the DE/OLB hybrid types. I think not taking a LB would indicate great value at all the picks. For example:

23: Malcolm Jenkins, CB/S
34: Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
47: Max Unger, OL, Oregon/Ron Brace, NT, BC
58: Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Jose State
 
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