Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

[LuRkeR1978]

Don’t lash out at me because you’re an easy mark, dude.

More irony from a football forum tough guy. Keep up the insults.

 

[Adam Seward]

The point is that a lot of data indicates that many if not most people who are INFECTED are ASYMPTOMATIC. That % added to those who those who have diagnosed with the disease lower the Mortality Rate. IOW the virus many not be as dangerous as portrayed.

Youre focusing the CFR, which will be constantly changing and wont be pinned down until this event is entirely in retrospect.

Instead, focus on the current impact to our available care infrastructure. It is getting overwhelmed and we are still early on. Who cares about where the CFR is adjusting to, look at what is happening in hospitals around the world. Its absolutely dangerous. A lot of people are going to die alone in ICUs because of this. Last will and testament over conference calls. No caskets, just ashes. The last time you see a loved one taken in, alive or dead, could very well be when they are wheeled out on a stretcher or dropped off at the hospital, if you arent also admitted to the ICU or they arent allowed to pass at home. Youre missing the point by a ****ing mile.

 

[JackBauer]

More irony from a football forum tough guy. Keep up the insults.

Not an insult. After all, grifters like Pool have to make their money somehow. I’m sure he appreciates you.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I started the video, just for ****s and giggles. It began with Pool stating: “According to the New York Post, Donald Trump’s policies will be vindicated in the wake of the Coronavirus. I agree. But I’ll go one step further: Donald Trump’s policies have already been vindicated.”

This isn’t journalism, this is low-rent Trumpist fanfic. It’s unfortunate you can’t tell the difference.

It's a battle between knowledge (science) and ignorance, both on this board and with Trumpism in general. What's notable is how persistent they are in the face of facts and trends, to the point of fabricating alternative facts. Can Ian find out if they're actually Russian bots?

 

[JackBauer]

“Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter because of shutdowns to combat the coronavirus, with an unprecedented 50% drop in gross domestic product,” Bloomberg reports.

Well. Looks like I won’t be checking in on the 401k any time soon.

 

[LuRkeR1978]

Not an insult. After all, grifters like Pool have to make their money somehow. I’m sure he appreciates you.

Back this claim up with facts.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The point is that a lot of data indicates that many if not most people who are INFECTED are ASYMPTOMATIC. That % added to those who those who have diagnosed with the disease lower the Mortality Rate. IOW the virus many not be as dangerous as portrayed.

No, that's exactly how I and everybody else here have portrayed it for weeks. Perhaps you have added something by liberally CAPITALIZING.

13, if you have no symptoms and catch the seasonal flu, never go to a doctor, and of course, don't die, you don't go into the denominator group when we say that .1% who catch the seasonal flu die of it. Same sing.

Let's say a million Americans die of COVID. Let's say through testing, admissions, everything we have solid data for, we come to a number that 100 million had COVID-19. Then we do the math and the percentage is 1%, 10x as deadly as the number we bandy around for the seasonal flu.

What you're SCREAMING about in ALL CAPS is that it's NOT AS DEADLY because the DENOMINATOR WAS BIGGER -- in the above example, actually 200 million had it, including previously uncounted mild or asymptomatic cases. It's not as deadly as you thought!

Look, I'm not wishing for bad outcomes but by the same token you can't spin yourself or wish yourself into good outcomes.

That said, I'd love for the number of deaths and infections to suddenly turn into a non-exponential, additive function (or better yet, to decline). If we go the way we've been going, though, it'll take a month to get to 187,500 dead. Actually 4 weeks = 28 days. So, 4/19 or so. IF the exponential rise continues. I hope to God it doesn't, and I think it will flatten out somewhat. Hell I'm not a fortuneteller, I'm just a guy who washes his hands a lot.

You can be asymptomatic and not be counted, great. The actual rate among known cases is still extremely high. It would be lower if you counted people never tested - but regardless of rate, the number of deaths is the driving concern. If we lost 20 people but only ever recognized 20 cases, it would be 100% fatal. In fact, outbreaks happen all the time that are more like that example. It's how a virus "shoots itself in its foot," killing the host before it can be spread.

The rate of increase of known cases has just begun to hit the asymoptotic part of the curve (the handle of the hockey stick.) So has the number of dead.

All the data is important and all the data count, but trying to jump up and down about the good news that more people are infected and therefore the mortality rate is lower is getting excited about the wrong thing if you ax me.

 

[Adam Seward]

Well. Looks like I won’t be checking in on the 401k any time soon.

And to think mine is setup as a Roth so in emergency I can liquidate with minimal penalty. I never really though it would be for pennies on the dollar if need be. **** me.

 

[fnordcircle]

Hey so just FYI there's two things we could probably just establish and save 20000% of the whataboutism replies the usual crowd keeps doing.

-China screwed this up royally. They are, by far, the ones at the most fault for what has happened.

-Obama is no longer president, so the mistakes made by his administration have fuck-all to do with the missteps by the Trump admin.

 

[JackBauer]

It's a battle between knowledge (science) and ignorance, both on this board and with Trumpism in general. What's notable is how persistent they are in the face of facts and trends, to the point of fabricating alternative facts. Can Ian find out if they're actually Russian bots?

Reminds me of a quote by Isaac Asimov:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

 

[LuRkeR1978]

It's a battle between knowledge (science) and ignorance, both on this board and with Trumpism in general. What's notable is how persistent they are in the face of facts and trends, to the point of fabricating alternative facts. Can Ian find out if they're actually Russian bots?

Sources in the video include Washington Post, Newsweek, theVerge, Vox... these are leftwing sources. So I guess "alternative facts" come form both sides then, don't they?

Surely you can refute them, if its so easy. But do it without insults.

 

[venecol]

The point is that a lot of data indicates that many if not most people who are INFECTED are ASYMPTOMATIC. That % added to those who those who have diagnosed with the disease lower the Mortality Rate. IOW the virus many not be as dangerous as portrayed.

Maybe you should volunteer at a hospital and relieve some of the first responders w/o PPEs from collecting samples. We actually need them to take care of the sick, so we can't have them getting the virus themselves.

Since you believe the virus is not dangerous please help the cause out. What say you 13? Be a hero.

 

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[Tony2046]

He had a chance to watch his team's highlights. He had to take a leak when it started but it was all over when he got back....should have dvr'd it.

Taking the leak was the highlight.

 

[patsfan13]

Hey so just FYI there's two things we could probably just establish and save 20000% of the whataboutism replies the usual crowd keeps doing.

-China screwed this up royally. They are, by far, the ones at the most fault for what has happened.

-Obama is no longer president, so the mistakes made by his administration have ****-all to do with the missteps by the Trump admin.

So since no war is ever perfect why the rampant criticism of Orange Man Bad, before the outcome is determined?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Germany has now banned groups of more than 2 unrelated people in public.

 

[patsfan13]

Maybe you should volunteer at a hospital and relieve some of the first responders w/o PPEs from collecting samples. We actually need them to take care of the sick, so we can't have them getting the virus themselves.

Since you believe the virus is not dangerous please help the cause out. What say you 13? Be a hero.

I am already working snowflake.

 

[lancerman]

It’s still not a virus that kills young or healthy people like the Spanish flu did. Even if 25% of the population caught it like the Spanish flu it’s not as bad as the Spanish flu.

That’s not the problem. The problem is you still can pass it on to anyone who is old or immunocompromised. The other problem is if 25% of the population catches it, many who would survive will die simply because of lack of resources. Then everyone who has a stroke or heart attack might not get the care they need. God forbid you get in an accident and cut an artery and surgeons can’t get to you right away. You get an infection but you are online.

Its more than the people that get this virus.

 

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[PatsFanInVa]

I am already working snowflake.

Not taking a shot here 13, not building a case to take a shot, this is a safe post...

You do work where you need to be physically there, on site, or you can't do the job? (e.g., perfect example = doctors/nurses who do not work via telemedicine.)

If your job can be done from home, I urge you and your workplace to consider it, just speaking person to person.