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Youtubers are the lowest of the low.

I'm sorry the truth hurts your world view. You click the confused tag quite a bit, but have yet to form any sort of response to anything.

You tubers only have reputation to make a living. If they were so "low", or lying, they would lose their credibility and people would not support them.

But go ahead, keep clicking that confused tag.
 
I'm sorry the truth hurts your world view. You click the confused tag quite a bit, but have yet to form any sort of response to anything.

You tubers only have reputation to make a living. If they were so "low", or lying, they would lose their credibility and people would not support them.

But go ahead, keep clicking that confused tag.
I'm not the person to unwind the muddled mind of a conspiracy theorist. I know better than try to get involved.
 
All these? It’s just hard to take you seriously at this point with claims like this. Your just generalizing now. Neither of the names I mentioned are any of those things. And neither is Tim Pool, who I could really care less about.
Why listen to real experts when you can listen to a YouTube who did internet research?
 
Why listen to real experts when you can listen to a YouTube who did internet research?

When you think about it, it’s one of the easiest grifts out there.
 
I'm not the person to unwind the muddled mind of a conspiracy theorist. I know better than try to get involved.

TIL: Factual information and actual journalism is "Conspiracy Theory" You can't be serious. Everything in this video has a credible source.

What is a Tim Pool and why should we care what it has to say?

It's called actual journalism. If you didn't watch it, we have nothing to discuss.
 
Why listen to real experts when you can listen to a YouTube who did internet research?

On corona virus? Sure listen to real experts. But I was speaking generally after you claimed “all these youtubers are conspiracy theorists making money off each other”. Which was an absurd claim because it’s not true
 
So you choose ignorance. Good to know.
I dont watch TV, I also do not care about what media slant exist from either side (no **** they exist, didnt know it was some special code to crack) or care to listen to someone get to the bottom of it, especially if I have to listen to a rant to get to the point. If it was an article I could speed read it and jump to the fragments of information scattered about.

If Im aiming to be informed via youtube, my angle would be something along the lines of (on this particular subject, a doctor):


 
Public Opinion on Single-Payer, National Health Plans, and Expanding Access to Medicare Coverage

Speaking of polling... M4A/healthcare figured to be a hot topic anyway but now it will be even hotter because of the coronavirus.
Crazy how the surface level of these polls shows something completely different when you break it down in it’s entirety



I would refer you to slides 9 & 11 for this poll when people see what is involved they oppose NH plan.

IE you lose your polan and you pay higher taxes.
 
I dont watch TV, I also do not care about what media slant exist from either side (no **** they exist, didnt know it was some special code to crack) or care to listen to someone get to the bottom of it, especially if I have to listen to a rant to get to the point. If it was an article I could speed read it and jump to the fragments of information scattered about.

If Im aiming to be informed via youtube, my angle would be something along the lines of (on this particular subject, a doctor):




Yes, I'm subbed to the good Doc as well. He is a great source of factual information on the virus itself, and is not in any way political.
 
It's called actual journalism. If you didn't watch it, we have nothing to discuss.

I started the video, just for ****s and giggles. It began with Pool stating: “According to the New York Post, Donald Trump’s policies will be vindicated in the wake of the Coronavirus. I agree. But I’ll go one step further: Donald Trump’s policies have already been vindicated.”

This isn’t journalism, this is low-rent Trumpist fanfic. It’s unfortunate you can’t tell the difference.
 
I would refer you to slides 9 & 11 for this poll when people see what is involved they oppose NH plan.

IE you lose your polan and you pay higher taxes.

exactly my point man... the more ignorance about it, the higher the support.
 
Wait, I was about to agree with you, but let me clarify: You understand that there is an apparent higher mortality rate when, for example, you only test those with severe systems? And that you have an apparently lower mortality rate, when you begin to test a greater portion of the population?

In other words, the phenomenon is not based on the virus mutating to become milder, at least not so far as we know. We are simply capturing more cases as we test somewhat more broadly.

Or are you saying that the virus literally becomes more mild "the more infectious it is"? (It is just as infectious, by my reckoning, and just as deadly; we're just observing apparent changes because the tested population has increased.)



The point is that a lot of data indicates that many if not most people who are INFECTED are ASYMPTOMATIC. That % added to those who those who have diagnosed with the disease lower the Mortality Rate. IOW the virus many not be as dangerous as portrayed.
 
It’s still not a virus that kills young or healthy people like the Spanish flu did. Even if 25% of the population caught it like the Spanish flu it’s not as bad as the Spanish flu.

So let's decide what you're basing that on, because somebody probably has to make this call when the ventilators get scarce and you're deciding who gets one.

Since young people have more years of life left to them if they don't die of this, and since chances are better they'll survive, all else being equal:

if there is 1 ventilator, and there is a 60 year old and a 20 year old, all else being equal, put the 20 year old on a vent and let the 60 year old die?​

Go ahead and answer if you want. I am pretty sure that's the right call for my money. Know what the wing nuts called it when Zeke Emanuel wrote a paper on these medical ethical questions? "Death panels."

I'm not saying you need that reminder, I'm saying wake TF up people, when the **** hits the fan, somebody has to make these calls somehow. Hate to say it, but the youngster gets the vent. And as great as I think I am, he should get his turn on the ride even if mine has to peter out.

However: Your "it's just old people" rap is really getting on my last nerve, being an old person married to an old person. No, it's not okay to lose a few hundred thousand (or million) people if they're old anyway. Fercristsake.

isn’t the comparison pretty useless? The Spanish flu was 100 years ago

So... huh?

Not related to either of these posts, the latest numbers on new deaths and infections in NY:

United States Coronavirus: 32,356 Cases and 414 Deaths - Worldometer

Hey look, a couple of days of downticks, not just to new cases but to daily deaths. I wouldn't get too excited about the new cases being lower -- that could just be working through the backlog of people who need tests.

But the daily new deaths actually declined. Granted, we're still in a sensitive chunk of the curve... where small deviations ("clumps in the data") can look like trends... but I'll take a 2-day apparent improvement over the alternative. Maybe it's reflecting that 2 or 3 weeks ago people reached a new level of concern & resulting social distancing.

By the way, Rand Paul is positive. He's got a preexisting lung problem from that time his neighbor kicked his ass. We're all God's chilluns and I guess grrrr I have to beam out healing messages to the universe.
 
I started the video, just for ****s and giggles. It began with Pool stating: “According to the New York Post, Donald Trump’s policies will be vindicated in the wake of the Coronavirus. I agree. But I’ll go one step further: Donald Trump’s policies have already been vindicated.”

This isn’t journalism, this is low-rent Trumpist fanfic. It’s unfortunate you can’t tell the difference.



As opposed to the Bezos owned WaPo?
How much does Amazon's businesses rely on good from China. :D
 
Rich sample size and killer sampling error...

To ensure no bias they only polled people coming out of a Duluth GA Walmart wearing camo.
 
I started the video, just for ****s and giggles. It began with Pool stating: “According to the New York Post, Donald Trump’s policies will be vindicated in the wake of the Coronavirus. I agree. But I’ll go one step further: Donald Trump’s policies have already been vindicated.”

This isn’t journalism, this is low-rent Trumpist fanfic. It’s unfortunate you can’t tell the difference.

You mean "This doesn't line up with my politics so I will automatically dismiss all of it and make fun of people, rather than absorb all the material and form an articulate, factual analysis."

That's what I figured. You didn't let me down.
 
You mean "This doesn't line up with my politics so I will automatically dismiss all of it and make fun of people, rather than absorb all the material and form an articulate, factual analysis."

That's what I figured. You didn't let me down.

Don’t lash out at me because you’re an easy mark, dude.

If you honestly believe that Trump’s approach to
COVID has already been exonerated then there’s simply nothing to discuss, other than the color of the sky in your world.
 
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