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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I hear you. I share your sentimentAlthough I agree with you, I hope Shazier doesn't play again.
And I say this not being a **** but for his health.
He's been known to lead with his head when tackling. He'd have to change the way he plays. Tough thing to do IMO.
It's all very straightforward, cut and dried. The rule makes sense and I'm not just saying that as a Pats fan because of what happened tonight. Lots of loud booing at the end of the game by Steelers fans pelting Patriots players with garbage as they ran into the tunnel.Yeah good game. It's easy to critisize the catch rule but there's been an evolution to it and hence it's arrived where it is.
It was common to see receivers grab a ball in the end zone while falling out of the end zone, the juggling with it on the ground while sliding away and coming back with it and get ruled a TD. So they implemented the rule that you have to maintain complete possession all the way to the ground.
Remember when Calvin Johnson's TD was called back. He was falling while catching, then sitting on his bum and his other arm swung around and hit the floor and ball slipped out. He thought it was a TD but he needed to maintain possession all the way to the ground.
Week 1, 2010: Calvin Johnson's miraculous TD catch called back
So it was established that control has to be maintained all the way to the ground when you catch a ball while going to the ground. Then the Bryant controversy where he was going to the ground while catching and then extended to try cross the goal line, and ball popped up on hitting the ground. Since he hadn't completed a catch yet (by maintaining control all the way to the ground) he didn't have possession yet.
Did Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant catch it?
So basically today Jesse James caught the ball while going to the ground and didn't have possession yet when he broke the plane. And ball pops when he hits the ground. So correct overturn. It's not a catch since ball pops when his elbow hits the ground. He didn't maintain control all the way to the ground. Breaking the plane doesn't matter since he doesn't have possession yet.
Tony Corrente's explanation is consistent with my understanding and consistent with previous rulings. There's nothing controversial here.
Blandino and Pereira also confirm. Nothing new here. It's an incompletion.
And here's the official explanation from NFL . Same thing.
It's all very straightforward, cut and dried. The rule makes sense and I'm not just saying that as a Pats fan because of what happened tonight. Lots of loud booing at the end of the game by Steelers fans pelting Patriots players with garbage as they ran into the tunnel.
I saw no difference.
They can't close the deal.
True. Not a alot of tight games. Very one sidedUsually there's no deal for them to close. Never happy to see a close game against them given the history. Then again, they did switch up their defense.
Congrats on the win in an absolutely crazy game.
My thoughts:
- For about 60 seconds, the game seemed to play out exactly to my ‘best scenario’ prediction (all the way down to the final 31-27 score . Pitt was able to play ball control successfully, and while neither defense really stopped the other, Pitt was able to get just enough pressure to keep TB from completely going off.
- I thought Pitt pretty much went all-in on the man coverage concept, which was pretty courageous considering their injuries in the secondary (as well as the youth that would be playing). Obviously Brady figured it out by the end of the game (throw at Sean Davis!), but I don’t really have a problem with it even with Gronk shredding it in the 4th quarter. This was a good enough effort to get a W, it just didn’t work out in the end.
- I’ve never liked the catch rule when it comes to breaking the plane; I’ve always thought it’s a rule that just defies common sense. (I thought this well before the ruling tonight – the CJ and Dez and any number of other big calls in prior years didn’t make much sense either). I was surprised that it was overturned as I didn’t think it was necessarily ‘incontrovertible’ evidence – the ball moved, but I thought his hand remained underneath. BUT - bottom line, this wasn’t where the game was lost IMO – I thought Pitt was fortunate to be down at the goal line to begin with, and that the Steelers really lost it when they simply became too conservative in the prior series. Sort of a classic case of ‘playing not to lose’.
- By the same token, I didn’t have a problem with Pitt throwing the play after the James catch was overturned – I felt that if Pitt kicked the FG and got to OT, Pitt probably loses. The Pats had the clear momentum. Now obviously the result was awful and the execution left something to be desired for Pittsburgh, but sometimes that’s the way the ball bounces. (In an alternate universe, maybe Pitt intercepts that batted ball on the previous Pats’ series lol)
- It was hugely disappointing to see AB go out early – Pittsburgh seems snakebit when it comes to keeping all 3 of their ‘triplets’ on the field against the Pats. BUT…that disappointment was eclipsed by the fact that we got to see Shazier up in the booth…hopefully that’s a decent sign that maybe he’ll be able to walk again and lead a normal life, even if he never plays football again.
Anyway, what an amazing game. (I'll probably appreciate it more in a week or two lol).
I’m not sure if we’ll see you all later this year – Pitt has a steeper climb now with the loss and the AB injury – but good luck the rest of the way regardless.
Best wishes for Burkhead – that’s a player I always liked when he was with Cincy, hopefully it will be a case if it looking worse than what it actually is.
lillloyd
Couldn't agree more.I totally agree with PIT's decision to go for the win on 3rd down. I'd want NE to do the same thing in that situation.
But like in SB49, while I didn't have a problem with the high-level playcall (i.e. pass), I think the specific pass that was called was a bad idea (and not because of the outcome). Especially since unlike in SB49, PIT didn't need a TD. They could tie with a FG. Can't take the risk over a turnover there and while calling a pass is fine, you can't call something that risky.
Lots of posts here related to the catch, I'll respond here but really it's to all of them.Breaking the plane has nothing to do with it. If he was trying to make a catch at midfield and did the exact same thing, it would be ruled incomplete, if called correctly.
Congrats on the win in an absolutely crazy game.
My thoughts:
- For about 60 seconds, the game seemed to play out exactly to my ‘best scenario’ prediction (all the way down to the final 31-27 score . Pitt was able to play ball control successfully, and while neither defense really stopped the other, Pitt was able to get just enough pressure to keep TB from completely going off.
- I thought Pitt pretty much went all-in on the man coverage concept, which was pretty courageous considering their injuries in the secondary (as well as the youth that would be playing). Obviously Brady figured it out by the end of the game (throw at Sean Davis!), but I don’t really have a problem with it even with Gronk shredding it in the 4th quarter. This was a good enough effort to get a W, it just didn’t work out in the end.
- I’ve never liked the catch rule when it comes to breaking the plane; I’ve always thought it’s a rule that just defies common sense. (I thought this well before the ruling tonight – the CJ and Dez and any number of other big calls in prior years didn’t make much sense either). I was surprised that it was overturned as I didn’t think it was necessarily ‘incontrovertible’ evidence – the ball moved, but I thought his hand remained underneath. BUT - bottom line, this wasn’t where the game was lost IMO – I thought Pitt was fortunate to be down at the goal line to begin with, and that the Steelers really lost it when they simply became too conservative in the prior series. Sort of a classic case of ‘playing not to lose’.
- By the same token, I didn’t have a problem with Pitt throwing the play after the James catch was overturned – I felt that if Pitt kicked the FG and got to OT, Pitt probably loses. The Pats had the clear momentum. Now obviously the result was awful and the execution left something to be desired for Pittsburgh, but sometimes that’s the way the ball bounces. (In an alternate universe, maybe Pitt intercepts that batted ball on the previous Pats’ series lol)
- It was hugely disappointing to see AB go out early – Pittsburgh seems snakebit when it comes to keeping all 3 of their ‘triplets’ on the field against the Pats. BUT…that disappointment was eclipsed by the fact that we got to see Shazier up in the booth…hopefully that’s a decent sign that maybe he’ll be able to walk again and lead a normal life, even if he never plays football again.
Anyway, what an amazing game. (I'll probably appreciate it more in a week or two lol).
I’m not sure if we’ll see you all later this year – Pitt has a steeper climb now with the loss and the AB injury – but good luck the rest of the way regardless.
Best wishes for Burkhead – that’s a player I always liked when he was with Cincy, hopefully it will be a case if it looking worse than what it actually is.
lillloyd
While I can understand your point I also think you need to consider the alternative. Because the alternative would be refs needing to subjectively assess what considers "secure possession".Now to the rule itself: this is a rule I’ve always disliked. I disliked it on the Dez Bryant non-catch. I disliked it yesterday, but I would have disliked it just as much if it had been the Pats losing a TD on an identical play, or if James’ catch had been ruled a TD in spite of the rule. IMHO this is one of many examples in recent years where the refs and the rulebook have wandered too deeply into actual gameplay, to the detriment of the game.
Will you please stop undermining my position that all Steelers fans are drunken maniacs/sore losers!
Seriously though, this was an awesome game. You have a great team and the Steelers are a 1st rate organization. I don't resent competition and the Steelers are a most worthy adversary.
I actually hope Shazier doesn’t play again.Good post as usual. Hope to see your team in MA in January. Hope AB is ok and Shazier plays again