Comparing Tom Brady & Ben Roethlisberger - THE FIRST 5 YEARS

[maverick4]

If Big Ben hadn't messed up his body on the motorcycle, his stats might never have dipped like that.

 

[Disco Volante]

There are a couple of stats that I prefer, because they take in several parts of a quarterbacks's game. Quarterback Rating

Bulger, Culpepper and Pennington all rank ahead of Brady in all-time QB Rating.

 

[Rob0729]

You forgot one important stat where Roethlisberger probably has a permanent lead:

Brady does win in the all important dating hot actresses/models category 3 (Giselle, Bridgette Moynahan, Tara Reid before she went totally insane) to 1 (Missy Peregrym).

 

[jmt57]

Bulger, Culpepper and Pennington all rank ahead of Brady in all-time QB Rating.

Not according to Pro Football Reference; I guess we use different sites for our info.

92.9 - Brady (4th)
90.6 - Pennington (6th)
89.4 - Roethlisberger (7th)
89.0 - Culpepper (9th)
85.6 - Bulger (15th)

I'm not saying QB Rating is perfect - it isn't - but total yards and TD give a distinct advantage to the QB that is on a team that throws more often. The Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt stat should actually help Roethlisberger in comparison to other QB's based on his ability to avoid sacks.

 

[Disco Volante]

Not according to Pro Football Reference; I guess we use different sites for our info.

92.9 - Brady (4th)
90.6 - Pennington (6th)
89.4 - Roethlisberger (7th)
89.0 - Culpepper (9th)
85.6 - Bulger (15th)

That's always the best place to go, mine obviously was an out-dated page. (Linked from Wikipedia )

 

[Dino 6 Rings]

honestly folks, I'm just happy I finally have a QB that is even in the dicussion when it comes to "best in the league"

After OdenHell, Bumble Brister, Kordell, Maddox, ThomzHack, Malone and so on...its great to finally have a guy, that when there is 2:46 left in the Super Bowl, I can have confidence is going to lead us on a game winning TD drive. Even if it starts with a 1st and 20.

 

[MrTibbs]

If you look at how scary-young Ben is and how excellent of an organization the Steelers have, there is no doubt that Ben actually has a chance to be just as good ... or even Better than Tom when his career has ended - Yes it is very possible,especially if Pitt continues to dominate thier division and consistently win and we all don't know what type of QB Tom will return as - He may be the same type of player or better or worse

I don't think its fair to say that Tom and Peyton are way ahead of Ben for the simple reason that Ben entered the league in 2004 - Thats 4 years later than Tom and even a longer edge for Peyton .. and Ben already has one more ring than Manning and closing in on Tom

Stop smoking that wacky weed. Tom wins games for the Patriots more often then not. The Steelers win games despite Rothlisberger more often then not. It's the defense in Pitt not Rothlisberger. To even mention the two in the same sentence is a joke. The way I read it the 2008 season is included in those stats and the 2000 season is not.

I don't know what games you have been watching but there are a LOT of QB's better then Rothlisberger. He's nothing more then mediocre.

 

[Dino 6 Rings]

Stop smoking that wacky weed. Tom wins games for the Patriots more often then not. The Steelers win games despite Rothlisberger more often then not. It's the defense in Pitt not Rothlisberger. To even mention the two in the same sentence is a joke. The way I read it the 2008 season is included in those stats and the 2000 season is not.

I don't know what games you have been watching but there are a LOT of QB's better then Rothlisberger. He's nothing more then mediocre.

Once again, I totally disagree. I watch a Lot of Football, and Ben wins more games than he loses. By a lot. He has 19 game winning drives in the 4th or OT. The Jags playoff game, he lead the Steelers on a drive to take the lead and the Defense let up a 4th and 1 Scramble to allow the Jags to get into FG Range to win the game. Samething against the Jets last year, and the Cards, the Defense choked both those games out after Ben lead us to either Tie or Take the lead. Defense even choked in the SB. He had to lead them on that last drive. Did it against Baltimore as well, the #2 defense. 80 yard drive to win the game.

Yeah, he had a couple horrible games, especially after he face planted a windshield. But the last 2 years he's been pretty solid.

What big game has Cutler Won? Or McNabb? Or Rivers or Breese? Rodgers?

Maybe Eli but apparently he can't throw on windy days.

 

[BradyManny]

Could say the same thing about Brady's first ring

I wouldn't say Brady's game would've been a dud. Would he have won Super Bowl MVP? No. But he played well enough to keep them in the game.

More importantly, Brady was going up against one of the best defenses in the league in the Rams (7th in scoring, 3rd in YPG) and Roethlisberger was playing the Cards, who during the regular season had the 28th ranked scoring defense in the league.

But again, history won't remember any of that anyway. They just remember rings.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Stop smoking that wacky weed. Tom wins games for the Patriots more often then not. The Steelers win games despite Rothlisberger more often then not. It's the defense in Pitt not Rothlisberger. To even mention the two in the same sentence is a joke. The way I read it the 2008 season is included in those stats and the 2000 season is not.

I don't know what games you have been watching but there are a LOT of QB's better then Rothlisberger. He's nothing more then mediocre.

Well if this 'so called' mediocre QB does enough and makes the little mistakes in 5 years to help his team earn 2 SB titles during that span then this so called mediocre QB seems to be doing more than enough and thats all that matters.

 

[brdmaverick]

I think those stats are very comparable, but also ..........

At first, the Patriots were winning with Brady and not necessarily because of him, but then he became the reason for the victories. The same is true for Ben Roethlisberger.

The Steelers are a great defensive, run oriented team, but they are winning now because of Big Ben. His ability to not exactly look glamarous, but avoid the rush and make big plays when they need it most.

 

[PittPatriot]

When people look back at this era, Brady and Manning are still going to be so far ahead of the rest of the competition - granted, unless Ben improves greatly.

Ben needs to do more commercials.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Ben needs to do more commercials.

Then he'll be officially elite He'll probably get some contracts now, I imagine. That's cool-I'm a little sick of the Manning Boys

 

[Triggerfish]

I think those stats are very comparable, but also ..........

At first, the Patriots were winning with Brady and not necessarily because of him, but then he became the reason for the victories. The same is true for Ben Roethlisberger.

The Steelers are a great defensive, run oriented team, but they are winning now because of Big Ben. His ability to not exactly look glamarous, but avoid the rush and make big plays when they need it most.

Yea, I think this is a pretty fair assessment. Technically and fundamentally, I don't think BR is in the same league with either Tom or Peyton though (at least not yet). I think both of those guys definitely have more "polished" skills. But there's no denying that Ben is a gamer and he has a way of making things happen and coming up big when it's clutch time.

 

[Deus Irae]

I highly disagree with this post.

Rivers (No Way. He is good, but he also has LT in the backfield, one of the best TEs in the game and the luxary of playing against Oakland, Denver and KC twice a year. Sorry but I don't see the Rivers Lead Chargers ever beating the Ray Lewis Ravens Defense 3 times in one season.)

Both LdT and Gates were shells of themselves this season, and Rivers still did a tremendous job.

Warner (He's good, but he has always had Tremendous Talent as Wide Outs in the Years he had Great Years. 5 years of his career are great, the rest mediocre.)

People forget, but Warner injured his thumb and his hand has never been the same. He figured out that he could recoup some of the grip that had been lost by using a glove on his throwing hand in all weather. As for mediocre, have you SEEN Ben's numbers for 2 of the past 3 seasons? Check out 2006 and 2008.

Brees (Great Numbers, zero ability to win big games. Take the Tampa game this year, his team needed a win, the tossed 2 picks in the last 4 minutes)

After Ben's first Super Bowl appearance, I would think Steeler fans would avoid the "big game" argument like the plague.

McNabb (This guy can't win a big game. Yes, he lacks the great talent at WR for most of his career, but he chokes in big spots. He gets nervous and shaky and can not handle pressure at all. He had the ball with a chance to lead his team to Victory in this year's NFC Title game and in the Super Bowl against the Pats, he Choked both times.)

He won plenty of big games to even get to the NFCCG time and again. I think McNabb is often over-hyped, and I do think that the pressure at the very top can get to him, but come on.

But Palmer? No way, he had one of the best wide receiver corps in football and couldn't win a single playoff game since coming out of USC. Not one Playoff game. Imagine if Brady or Manning had Housh and Chad in their Prime?

Palmer was a tremendous quarterback before the dirty play of the Steelers resulted in his leg injury. His first year back was fine. I expect that he'll bounce back as long as that elbow heals properly, and he'll once again distance himself from Ben and the other pretenders to the QB throne. I reserve the right to change this opinion if he looks gun shy, however.

Cutler? Come on, the guy has had one ok year and was the QB of the only team in NFL History to be 9-3 and Miss the Playoffs. Great QBs are Great Leaders too. He has proven nothing.

Ben's proven that he can ride the coat tails of a great cast. So did Trent Dilfer. This is the quarterback that opponents WANTED throwing the ball, because people knew that if he had to throw 30 times, his team was probably losing the game. This year, when they became more of a throwing team out of necessity, he threw 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions, and had an 80.1 passer rating. In fact, in the two seasons that he's passed the most, he's combined for 35 touchdowns and 38 interceptions, and had passer ratings of 75.4 and 80.1.

Rodgers. Took an NFC Championship Game Team and missed the Playoffs. He may need a couple years to shake off the Favre legacy. Tell me though, if the Packers start the season next year 0-6, is he still QB of that team? I don't think so. I think a coach could very well be fired in GB next year because of Rodgers.

In his first season as a starter, he led his team to the #5 scoring offense in the NFL. His TD/INT ratio was 28/13 and he had a 93.8 rating. Now, I will say that it clearly didn't translate to wins, and it's fair to ask whether that's significant or coincidental. But, unless that question is answered in a negative manner, you've got to admit that he's in the same realm as Ben. Was it his fault that the team fell from #6 to #22 in defense? How much was a Favre effect, and how much was the defense collapsing? The answer to that question will tell us a lot about this kid over the next couple of seasons.

Look, I'm not saying that he's a complete stiff or anything, but let's be realistic about the guy. Unless he improves by some factor of 10, he's not going to be approaching Manning/Brady status.

 

[qbert]

Roethlisberger is a very good QB, but he is not in Brady's league (at least not yet) no matter what the numbers say. The Steelers have always been about a strong, physical defense and a strong running game. It really hasn't changed with Roethlisberger at the helm. He is great in the fourth quarter like Brady is and is very illusive, but Brady makes the players around him better.

You don't watch Steeler games then.

 

[rabthepat]

Big Ben impressed me with his play this year. His stats indicate he is clearly a top tier QB. Beyond the stats; he is very elusive for a big guy, he takes a pounding and he remains positive when things go bad. There were times this year when I thought his O line was trying to get him killed.

His game winning TD pass is what I like to see out of a QB in big games. Do not leave it up to kickers unless it is Adam V. in a play off game.

 

[qbert]

Ben's proven that he can ride the coat tails of a great cast. So did Trent Dilfer. This is the quarterback that opponents WANTED throwing the ball, because people knew that if he had to throw 30 times, his team was probably losing the game. This year, when they became more of a throwing team out of necessity, he threw 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions, and had an 80.1 passer rating. In fact, in the two seasons that he's passed the most, he's combined for 35 touchdowns and 38 interceptions, and had passer ratings of 75.4 and 80.1.

Did you black out the entire 2007 season because of how it ended for the Pats?

32 TDs / 11 INT / 104.1 rating

 

[Deus Irae]

Did you black out the entire 2007 season because of how it ended for the Pats?

32 TDs / 11 INT / 104.1 rating

No, I pointed to the two seasons surrounding it. Reading comprehension a problem for you?

 

[qbert]

No, I pointed to the two seasons surrounding it. Reading comprehension a problem for you?

No but objective football analysis is obviously a problem for you. Your gerrymandering of statistics to prove a weak-ass point about a QB you obviously dislike, when the majority of Pats fans in this thread can give Ben credit for what he's done, is plain laughable.