“The ultimate point being, looking at consistent organizations and percentages, you win from the pocket, not from extending the play.“
I get you, BGC - but this was his bottom line and this is the point. And of course this point goes beyond QB. They can do only so much.
While athleticism of some QB prospects or “arm strength“ is a nice tool to have it will not be decisive for their future in NFL imo.
I was literally typing a post in my thread but let's have the discussion here.
Let's talk about "pocket passers" ....
I remember asking you this a few weeks and never got an answer I believe. This is open to the entire forum btw.
Besides Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson which QB's are beating you strictly from the pocket?
First off Brady is the only real, true pocket passer from that group? We agree on that?
The others will purposely extend and want to go "outside the pocket" to create and extend plays. So with all do respect you're wrong saying athleticism isn't a decisive tool. I mean your entire argument is hinging on cyborg Brady who will be out of the league in a year or two. Mahomes absolutely uses his athleticism, it's an enormous part to his game.
Can he and others beat you from the pocket? Absolutely! No one is arguing different. But you're kidding you are kidding yourself if you think they're are "pocket passers" with all due respect. It simply isn't true sir.
The QB position is so much more than her accurate or has a strong arm. It's a barter system - give and take. Some QB's will accept pressure in order to extend/make big plays down field. So again guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Watson will literally accept pressure, giving their OL heat at times making them look worse than they are. But they're able to do that bc of their athleticism. No denying the role it plays and how big or decisive it is.
Back to Brady and my question though. When he retires which true pocket passers are just waiting in the wings ready to take over? I honestly can't think of one?
But again who are these pocket passers? Guys like Baker, Jimmy, Goff etc certainly aren't pocket passers if we're being serious. They would get eaten alive if not for a supporting cast, having their hand hand, motion, PA, rollouts etc ... Again none are even close to real pocket passers.
Come to think of it the last few that were drafted highly are almost out the league. Rosen, Haskins
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On the other Lamar Jackson, since everyone wants to bring him up has been the most consistent & best QB from his class. Let's talk about him.
Who's been more right LD when it comes to Jackson, remind me?? The guys who said he couldn't throw, isn't a real QB or Bacon? Also remind me sir if you'd be so kind?
Who has been the most efficient QB from the
pocket in the red zone over the last 3 years?
Just one more sir. Remind me who was the
most efficient QB from the pocket just a year ago? I. Can't. Remember.
I'm sorry I've been working so much lately. Last one. If you would LD, remind me which QB was in the playoffs this year and who had the better stats? Our QB or the guy we passed on, Jackson? It's coming back actually, there are some special people with enough fingers on one hand to count how many TD's Cam passed for this year. With comparable talent for targets I might add.
Again I'd love to hear thoughts on the real stuff. No one is denying you need to be a good from the pocket. The position just isn't the same and neither is the game sir.