Celtics 2023 - 2024 Discussion

[RobertWeathers]

Better way to do NBA tournament is just to play a randomly drawn, conference free, single elimination tournament. 1-2 games each week, winner moves on, loser goes home. It was a travesty to watch so many teams outcomes based on randomness of point differentials in other games, and you have a bunch of 3-1 teams going home despite winning their “must win” challenges. Group Stage is really stupid for basketball. Also in soccer tournaments goal differential makes more sense and usually the top 2 teams in each group advance.

This whole thing is a **** show as at the end of the Nets game they went from a tie game most of the way to a last ditch attempt to win by 19 with the Raptors forcing up low pct 3s. Two teams playing with different goals.

I have no interest in this in-season tourney.

 

[aluminum seats]

I have no interest in this in-season tourney.

I hate it

Will this be something in 20 years where the next generation is really into it or will it die out? Hmmmm

 

[Kdo5]

I hate it

Will this be something in 20 years where the next generation is really into it or will it die out? Hmmmm

That depends on the results of this in season tournament. No one is going to give a crap if the Pacers or Pelicans win it.

If it’s the Celtics/Bucks vs Lakers/Suns and you have Tatum/Giannis duking it out with Lebron or KD in the championship round, it gains some prestige going into next year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That depends on the results of this in season tournament. No one is going to give a crap if the Pacers or Pelicans win it.

If it’s the Celtics/Bucks vs Lakers/Suns and you have Tatum/Giannis duking it out with Lebron or KD in the championship round, it gains some prestige going into next year.

You lost me...

How does the in-season tourney provide prestige over/same parallel as the NBA Finals?

 

[They_Hate_We]

I hate it

Will this be something in 20 years where the next generation is really into it or will it die out? Hmmmm

The second a high profile player gets hurt while trying to run up the score against a team with nothing to lose is when teams start giving up on this current format. Our starting 5 had no business playing that late into the 4th for this "tournament". 500k or not.

 

[jimnance]

The second a high profile player gets hurt while trying to run up the score against a team with nothing to lose is when teams start giving up on this current format. Our starting 5 had no business playing that late into the 4th for this "tournament". 500k or not.

The problem is the asinine point differential thing.
Works well with soccer since the scores are so low. But with hoops?
Are you f'n kidding g me? Who was the f'n genius who came up with that idea.
They're asking for big trouble having stars still in games late with big leads just to run up the score as a tiebreaker.
Like you posted, all it takes is for a Giannis,Steph,Jokic,Embiid,Tatum etc get a season-ending injury in that scenario.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The second a high profile player gets hurt while trying to run up the score against a team with nothing to lose is when teams start giving up on this current format. Our starting 5 had no business playing that late into the 4th for this "tournament". 500k or not.

The problem is the asinine point differential thing.
They're asking for big trouble having stars still in games late with big leads just to run up the score as a tiebreaker.
Like you posted, all it takes is for a Giannis,Steph,Jokic,Embiid,Tatum etc get a season-ending injury in that scenario.

The high profile players are going to play through the 3rd Q anyway, so we are talking about playing an extra 1/2 or 3/4 of one quarter in one or two games a year for maybe three or four teams. I am not a huge IST fan, really couldn't care less, but a handful of high profile guys playing an extra 1/2 or 3/4 of one quarter in one or two games does not seem like a big deal.

 

[They_Hate_We]

The high profile players are going to play through the 3rd Q anyway, so we are talking about playing an extra 1/2 or 3/4 of one quarter in one or two games a year for maybe three or four teams. I am not a huge IST fan, really couldn't care less, but a handful of high profile guys playing an extra 1/2 or 3/4 of one quarter in one or two games does not seem like a big deal.

You make a good point, however, my post was not meant to point out the amount of time that the starters are playing. Rather it was about leaving the starters out to "run up the score." If the other team gives in and sends their bench out, and we're still playing starters because we have to win by 23 points (for example) I feel, in my opinion, that it's an ill conceived concept.

I didn't really think or care much about the in-season tournament when it started. However, when I realized that the amount of points by which you beat a team is a factor, I disliked it immediately. The Chicago game was the first time I heard people talking about it.

 

[They_Hate_We]

The problem is the asinine point differential thing.
Works well with soccer since the scores are so low. But with hoops?
Are you f'n kidding g me? Who was the f'n genius who came up with that idea.
They're asking for big trouble having stars still in games late with big leads just to run up the score as a tiebreaker.
Like you posted, all it takes is for a Giannis,Steph,Jokic,Embiid,Tatum etc get a season-ending injury in that scenario.

You read my mind, so I don't need to post it.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You make a good point, however, my post was not meant to point out the amount of time that the starters are playing. Rather it was about leaving the starters out to "run up the score." If the other team gives in and sends their bench out, and we're still playing starters because we have to win by 23 points (for example) I feel, in my opinion, that it's an ill conceived concept.

I agree that the starters staying in to play the other team's bench is not a good look. But it is only a few games a year for less than a quarter that it will happen. It is "in our faces" because we were one of the games this year where we needed a higher PD, but 25+ other fan bases didn't see their team experience it this year. Next year the Celtics might not be in that position to run up the score. My point is that I doubt the NBA will change anything related to PD because a few games ran up the score. The IST might die a slow death as fans get bored of it in the coming years, but I think it has caused enough buzz in 2023 that the IST is here to stay for awhile.

PS NBA ratings are low during the NFL season so the NBA is trying to create a buzz. It worked to some extent.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I still like the idea of a basketball cup that could run during same time as season. Have 64 teams.

-Single elimination (ditch point differential)
-Random draw
-Best international teams invited
-Doesn’t count towards regular season standings

NBA teams can half ass it but they’ll probably stop half assing it when some international team makes it deep and int players start getting some recognition. Would be cool to see guys like Jokic, Luka, Doncic in younger years. Some of those int teams playing balls to the wall on a given night could beat and embarrass a half assed NBA team.

I like the idea of a cup. It makes soccer leagues more exciting and the NBA reg season is rightfully criticized as lackluster.

 

[aluminum seats]

I still like the idea of a basketball cup that could run during same time as season. Have 64 teams.

-Single elimination (ditch point differential)
-Random draw
-Best international teams invited
-Doesn’t count towards regular season standings

NBA teams can half ass it but they’ll probably stop half assing it when some international team makes it deep and int players start getting some recognition. Would be cool to see guys like Jokic, Luka, Doncic in younger years. Some of those int teams playing balls to the wall on a given night could beat and embarrass a half assed NBA team.

I like the idea of a cup. It makes soccer leagues more exciting and the NBA reg season is rightfully criticized as lackluster.

Man, I don't know. Think I'd lose it watching Porzingis, or anyone, logging minutes in games that don't matter

Reducing the number of playoff teams would make the regular season mean more, but I realize that'll never happen

The regular season is what it is, in all sports--if you like the sport, the journey is fun. But the only thing that ultimately matters is the title

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Man, I don't know. Think I'd lose it watching Porzingis, or anyone, logging minutes in games that don't matter

Reducing the number of playoff teams would make the regular season mean more, but I realize that'll never happen

The regular season is what it is, in all sports--if you like the sport, the journey is fun. But the only thing that ultimately matters is the title

You would lose it watching 2 or 3 guys log an extra 8 minutes in one or two games?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You would lose it watching 2 or 3 guys log an extra 8 minutes in one or two games?

A lot of guys play in the Olympics, national teams, summer leagues, etc. It depends on the player’s injury risk, age, etc.

 

[aluminum seats]

You would lose it watching 2 or 3 guys log an extra 8 minutes in one or two games?

No, I suppose I wouldn't "lose it," I guess I'm more emotionally stable than that, at least some days

But an injury in any of those games would definitely bug me, and yeah, I do find any minute of a player playing for the purposes of this in-season tournament to be annoying. Plus the point total thing, it's just stupid to me. I root for the titles

Random thought though, did Vegas adjust the lines at all for these games depending on how much points a team needed? That would be sort of funny. Celtics favored by 32

 

[Kdo5]

You lost me...

How does the in-season tourney provide prestige over/same parallel as the NBA Finals?

Forget the word “prestige”. I just mean it gains a little more juice and leaves a better impression on fans if you have some good battles between elite players or teams in the tournament finals.

People would be more interested in a subsequent tournament if you have Tatum and Lebron in a tight game than the Pacers winning.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Random thought though, did Vegas adjust the lines at all for these games depending on how much points a team needed? That would be sort of funny. Celtics favored by 32

Vegas probably thought of that, but I do not gamble so I have no idea. Great thought though.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

 

[jimnance]

Embiid ruled out tonight due to being skeered of Kornet