By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

[signbabybrady]

Feels more likely that they are behind his regression. A lot of people were concerned that Mac wasn't getting the proper coaching support in a very important year 2 that could have spurred on his development. Instead he has Matt Patricia, a defensive coach for 15 years, calling offensive plays, and a 'QB Whisperer' in Joe Judge who led the Giants to the 31st offensive ranking 2 years in a row, hint there are only 32 teams in the NFL so that's pretty damn awful!

I don't recall reading any concern this is the first I am hearing.

 

[Triumph]

I have a better chance of winning the lottery next week. But let's revisit this question if that unlikely event happens! LOL

I had this game as a loss with Jones.

No way was Mac rolling into Lambeau and dueling with Rodgers unless he was on a short leash.

 

[TomPatriot]

So, what happens if the Pats wind up beating Green Bay with Matt Patricia calling the shots and Brian Hoyer?

I recall watching Hoyer playing for the Browns many moons ago and he was not all that bad. This team has plenty of talent on it to win and not just against the slugs of the NFL like last season.

I’ll be happy because the Pats won.

This post raises an interesting point, though. Will MP really be calling the shots? Hoyer has been an NFL QB for almost 15 years. He’s here in large part because of his football IQ and system knowledge. He’s not learning on the job. Is he really listening to anyone but Bill? He has the credentials to push back so we’ll see.

 

[Triumph]

Feels more likely that they are behind his regression. A lot of people were concerned that Mac wasn't getting the proper coaching support in a very important year 2 that could have spurred on his development. Instead he has Matt Patricia, a defensive coach for 15 years, calling offensive plays, and a 'QB Whisperer' in Joe Judge who led the Giants to the 31st offensive ranking 2 years in a row, hint there are only 32 teams in the NFL so that's pretty damn awful!

What about Tom House working with Jones all off season?

Evidently, Bradys QB guru isnt good enough these days.

 

[Triumph]

What nobody mentions is that year 2 for an NFL QB is where reality pays a visit.

All off season 31 defensive coordinators and staff have broken down every inch of game film from the previous season. They figure out right quick where the tendencies are in your game and have something ready for you in year 2. The Pats missed the post season in 2002 because Brady struggled after Marty Schottenhiemer figured out that Brady was less accurate when you forced him to move off his spot.

Blitzing Jones is his kryptonite. Baltimore blitzed him 9 times resulting in 3 sacks and a loss. Like Miami, they did not let him sit back there in the pocket and have all day to throw.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I thought Mac's arm looks weaker this year. There were some plays against the Ravens where he could have made it if he had more zip on the ball. Mac is just making dumb decisions, not sure why.

Seems that way to me as well. I think he is injured (before the ankle)

 

[Jim Beankie]

From Phil Perry (is he a clickbating media whore?).

"The circumstances at the moment aren't ideal, and it's worth looking at the coaching situation to see how much they're doing to help Jones develop.

The Patriots are at the bottom of the league when it comes to using quarterback-friendly concepts like play-action passes and run-pass option calls. They're last in play-action pass percentage this season (10.8 percent of Jones' throws) despite the fact that Jones is a top-10 quarterback when it comes to his yards-per-attempt figure when using play-action (9.8, 9th), according to Pro Football Focus. RPOs were a part of the plan in Week 2 -- Jones pushed for those to be incorporated into the offense in 2022 -- but he still hasn't thrown an RPO pass just yet, per Pro Football Reference.

How the staff has prepared Jones and the rest of the offense for opposing blitz packages is worthwhile, too. Last year, the rookie had a rating of 87.6 against the blitz, according to PFF. Jones had an adjusted completion percentage of 73.6 and a 7-to-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio, absorbing 16 sacks on 196 blitzes faced (8 percent) in 2021. This year, Jones is last in the NFL with a 32.3 rating against the blitz. He has an adjusted completion percentage of 50.0 and a 0-to-3 touchdown-to-interception ratio, absorbing four sacks on 31 blitzes faced (13 percent).

Taking a closer look at how Jones has been protected, he's faced pressure on at least 30 percent of his dropbacks -- blitzed or not -- in each of the last two games. Jones faced that much pressure in six games last season, four of which came with starting right tackle Trent Brown (now starting at left tackle) out injured. Jones left his Week 1 game in Miami this year with a back injury after taking a violent hit when faced with an all-out blitz. Jones left his Week 3 game with the Ravens with an ankle injury that could threaten his availability for Week 4 and beyond.

Jones is currently last in the NFL in quarterback rating across situations (76.2) due in large part to his league-leading five interceptions. But are those turnovers just the cost of doing business in an offense that has a "different philosophy," as Jones explained when detailing his Week 2 interception in Pittsburgh?

That change in philosophy is clear. Jones is third in the NFL this season in average depth of target (10.4 yards) and leads the NFL in yards on deep passes that have traveled at least 20 yards or more (309 yards). But to what end? In targeting the team's No. 1 down-the-field option DeVante Parker -- whose deep-threat role is about as well-defined as any wideout in the league -- Jones has now been picked off four times.

There's a give and take there that Jones alluded to earlier this week when I asked him about the emphasis on deep attempts this season.

"I think explosive plays are always good," Jones said. "I think a lot of the really good teams in the NFL make explosive plays. Just being able to do that and then also hold on to the ball and have a fine line between the two I think is really important."

But there are fair questions to be asked as to whether or not the personnel usage by the coaching staff has supported Jones sufficiently. Kendrick Bourne has found himself at the bottom of the receiver depth chart despite some advanced metrics suggesting he's one of the most underrated receivers in football. Patriots tight ends Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry have disappeared from a production standpoint.

And there are moments -- whether there's a player at the line of scrimmage who doesn't understand an audible, or ball-security problems (they're second-to-last in the NFL in giveaways with eight) -- when it's clear there's a lack of attention to detail on that side of the ball."

Perry's mailbag: Evaluating Jones as the answer, the Packers plan and more

Phil Perry’s latest mailbag tackles your questions on Mac Jones as the long-term answer in New England, Brian Hoyer’s leash as the starter, the plan vs. the Packers and much more.

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Random question, but has Mac done any of the fake the quick pass to the side then hand it off to the RB type of plays? Not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but that seemed to be a TB12 staple.

 

[notex]

What a bunch of losers we are. Our QB throws for his first 300+ yd game, we get a 150+ yd game from our key FA signing Our total offense was over 460 yds and our reaction to this game by game improvement is to almost universally condemn the offensive coaching staff. I don't get it. Is this kind of lack of vision take place on the first 11 pages of this thread, or was the fact I only read the last 2 make me believe that everyone who posted in that thread believe Patricia needs to be fired.

There were a number of reasons for that loss. At least 2 of those 4 interceptions completely Mac's fault. One I thought was great play by the defense and the last one was a hail mary throw.

A lot of what drives our opinions is perception. Early in the game Jackson UNDERTHROWS a ball in the endzone (0ff his back foot) and COINCIDENTLY gives his receiver position and its a TD. Later in the game Mac throws a ball that would have been perfect into the corner of the endzone BUT the DB has the position and picks it. HOWEVER if Mac had thrown a less perfect pass and under thrown it, it would have been a TD. SO in one example you have an imperfect pass results in the TD and the pass to the corner of the endzone results in the pick.

BTW on defense I wasn't happy with the play of the LB's on Sunday. It looked like they missed filling holes some of the time.

Agreed. Our offense moved the ball well, moved the chains, scored points, ran the ball, ran a great 2 minute drill at end of 1st half etc... TURNOVERS lost that game, and Mac was directly responsible for 3 of them. I thought the Agoholor one was most egregious, however...

 

[Boomer B]

Agreed. Our offense moved the ball well, moved the chains, scored points, ran the ball, ran a great 2 minute drill at end of 1st half etc... TURNOVERS lost that game, and Mac was directly responsible for 3 of them. I thought the Agoholor one was most egregious, however...

BS. You asked before examples of why people are talking about bad coaching or play calling. You were given examples of multiple ex players or journalists talking about it. Ted Johnson diagramed on TV why the first pick was a bad call and the 2nd pick was a bad call and how Parker read the play wrong. He’s being asked to push the ball downfield with Parker as the main option and most of those picks are being thrown while targeting Parker. That’s a change made by the coaches. Bourne sits on the bench while we are throwing 50/50 balls to Parker.

Keep burying your head in the sand.

 

[notex]

BS. You asked before examples of why people are talking about bad coaching or play calling. You were given examples of multiple ex players or journalists talking about it. Ted Johnson diagramed on TV why the first pick was a bad call and the 2nd pick was a bad call and how Parker read the play wrong. He’s being asked to push the ball downfield with Parker as the main option and most of those picks are being thrown while targeting Parker. That’s a change made by the coaches. Bourne sits on the bench while we are throwing 50/50 balls to Parker.

Keep burying your head in the sand.

Despite a play call, at the end of the day the quarterback has the option of NOT throwing the ball, checking down, taking a sack, scrambling etc. More importantly, its his responsibility to throw it to the right area/away from defenders. Mac is capable of making these throws and Parker, as we've seen, is capable of going up and getting the ball. One of the more underrated aspects of Tom Brady's game was his willingness to take a sack or throw the ball away.

As Julian Edelman said recently "Ball Security = Job Security".

If one of the picks was Parkers fault, great, I'm not on here to rip Mac Jones. But that isn't a reason to change playcallers as the thread suggests. Just arguing against the the thread topic of "Its time to get rid of Matt Patricia" as if everything going wrong with this team is on him.

So for some folks, like whoever started this thread, the solution is apparently to fire Matt Patricia. I personally think that this isn't all on the OC/playcalling and Mac has been inconsistent with his decision making and execution. Apparently the same goes for Parker, and Agoholor for his costly fumble.

 

[TomPatriot]

What about Tom House working with Jones all off season?

Evidently, Bradys QB guru isnt good enough these days.

He’s kinda everyone’s QB guru isn’t he? Pretty sure he’s not the problem.

 

[Boomer B]

Despite a play call, at the end of the day the quarterback has the option of NOT throwing the ball, checking down, taking a sack, scrambling etc. More importantly, its his responsibility to throw it to the right area/away from defenders. Mac is capable of making these throws and Parker, as we've seen, is capable of going up and getting the ball. One of the more underrated aspects of Tom Brady's game was his willingness to take a sack or throw the ball away.

As Julian Edelman said recently "Ball Security = Job Security".

If one of the picks was Parkers fault, great, I'm not on here to rip Mac Jones. But that isn't a reason to change playcallers as the thread suggests. Just arguing against the the thread topic of "Its time to get rid of Matt Patricia" as if everything going wrong with this team is on him.

So for some folks, like whoever started this thread, the solution is apparently to fire Matt Patricia. I personally think that this isn't all on the OC/playcalling and Mac has been inconsistent with his decision making and execution. Apparently the same goes for Parker, and Agoholor for his costly fumble.

So you think the regression from last year to this year being last in the league in QBR is squarely on Mac and has nothing to do with coaching? Of course he can make better decisions, but he’s clearly not being put in a good position by his coaches.

Venecol posted this earlier. Well worth a read

Perry's mailbag: Evaluating Jones as the answer, the Packers plan and more

Phil Perry’s latest mailbag tackles your questions on Mac Jones as the long-term answer in New England, Brian Hoyer’s leash as the starter, the plan vs. the Packers and much more.

www.nbcsports.com

Tunescribe posted this

“According to Greg Bedard's analysis, only the last interception was Mac's fault. The first one he blamed on the play call -- play-action on second and seven, linebackers disregarded the fake and immediately dropped into coverage; Mac had nowhere else to go with the ball and forced it. The second (in end zone) he put on Parker not adjusting to coverage (Mac blew his top at Parker on the sideline afterward).”

I posted Ted Johnson showing why the first 2 picks were bad calls. Pretty clear Mac isn’t getting the coaching and direction he needs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Zolak (paraphrased):


"Looking at the picture of the pre-snap line up, I can definitely see why Jones went to the fade on that call."

 

[captain stone]

Seems that way to me as well. I think he is injured (before the ankle)

I thought he had plenty of zip on most of the throws for which he needed to have zip, because in those cases his mechanics were sound...
It was when his mechanics were Unsound that some of his passes floated... And when his mechanics and decision-making were both Unsound?
That's when the turnovers happened...

 

[venecol]

Patricia explaining the new offense to the team.

 

[Boomer B]

Patricia explaining the new offense to the team.

So by watching that Patricia has Mac f'ing around quite a bit.

 

[PatsfanTN]

is Anyone happy with this or last 3 years version of the Patriots? Bourne and Henry MIA. Why?
supposed doghouse for Bourne and not the right schemes for Henry? Load of crap. I totally defended BB, but this isn’t working nor has it been. Let’s see if those still making excuses at the end of the season stick with it.
Is October still an extension of the preseason BB?

 

[signbabybrady]

is Anyone happy with this or last 3 years version of the Patriots? Bourne and Henry MIA. Why?
supposed doghouse for Bourne and not the right schemes for Henry? Load of crap. I totally defended BB, but this isn’t working nor has it been. Let’s see if those still making excuses at the end of the season stick with it.
Is October still an extension of the preseason BB?

If we can make the playoffs 2 out 3 years moving forward that won't be a bad thing. Of course we need to do better when we get there.

 

[venecol]

is Anyone happy with this or last 3 years version of the Patriots? Bourne and Henry MIA. Why?
supposed doghouse for Bourne and not the right schemes for Henry? Load of crap. I totally defended BB, but this isn’t working nor has it been. Let’s see if those still making excuses at the end of the season stick with it.
Is October still an extension of the preseason BB?

2-6 since last season's bye. I'm not happy.

 

[Deus Irae]

This post is not about Brady, but his departure is a pretty good line of demarcation, given the subject at hand:


The Patriots were 12-4 in Brady's last season (regular season). They are 18-18 since (again, regular season). Patricia's responsible, at most, for only part of the final 3 game stretch, and a 1-2 record. And we all knew that, even in a best case scenario, Patricia was going to have ups and downs as he learned how to be the O.C./playcaller.


Patricia may be "a" problem. Patricia is definitely not "the" problem.