Butler visiting Saints

[supafly]

No, that is not what I am claiming. What I am claiming is Belichick will not say "oh he doesn't want to be here, so gee I better trade him because I don't want an unhappy player." He had no problem keeping a very unhappy Ty Law around.

Belichick will weigh future performance against dollar cost against the compensation offered the Patriots in return. He will not weigh Butler's personal feelings.

I think there's more to it than just Butler's feelings. Belichick will drop him like a hot potato if he doesn't think he/his attitude will help the team win games, and he surely isn't going to waste anyone's time.

Also, Butler is far from the talent that Ty Law was, and judging by their offer to Butler, Belichick would agree. This all said, I do agree with your overall point that Belichick will do what's best for the team.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Neither is Malcolm Butler. Garoppolo vs Butler, fourth year pro vs fourth year pro.

The only difference between Garoppolo and Butler was that Garoppolo was drafted.

End of story.

Nope. JG is under contract. His contract expires at the end of the 2017 season. He can't talk to anyone w/o NE's permission and no one can talk to him w/o NE's permission.

Malcolm Butler is not under contract. He's called a restricted free agent for reason. The restriction is that he can be tagged with a draft-choice-based tender by his team (which NE did) and if he gets a contract from another team his team has the right to match that contract and keep the player, or refuse to match and collect the the appropriate draft choice from the other team. But aside from that he is a free agent. He can talk to any team he wants w/o NE's permission. Any team can talk to him w/o NE's permission. He can't be fined by the team for anything. And so on.

 

[Marqui]

Convince NO to give up their 11th and we'll drive you to the airport Malcom.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

If the New England Patriots do not agree to compensation, Butler is SOL. Petulant children must be dealt with accordingly!

What are you talking about? It's out of NE's hands. If Butler gets a contract from another team (which is highly unlikely -- a first round tendered RFA hasn't been signed away in 13 years) and signs it, Butler is guaranteed to get that contract. Either NE doesn't match and Butler has that contract with the team that offered it. Or NE does match and Butler has that same contract with NE. NE has no say in the matter and doesn't have to/get to "agree to compensation".

 

[ctpatsfan77]

To dispel the notion of collusion, Patriots will not get their #1 back. Instead, they will get lower round picks of equal value.
Will the event happen before this thread reaches 50 pages? That and the draft picks are the mystery.

My understanding of the collusion rules is that there isn't collusion if teams discuss trades involving players under RFA tenders. (If not, how TF did the Patriots agree to trade a 2 and a 7 for Welker rather than sign him to an offer sheet?)

In any case, let's assume the trade was going to be "Butler + mid-rounders" for "Cooks + mid-rounders." The first could be just in case someone dropped in out of the blue and swooped him away from the Pats and Saints.

 

[ATippett56]

Nope. JG is under contract. His contract expires at the end of the 2017 season. He can't talk to anyone w/o NE's permission and no one can talk to him w/o NE's permission.

Malcolm Butler is not under contract. He's called a restricted free agent for reason. The restriction is that he can be tagged with a draft-choice-based tender by his team (which NE did) and if he gets a contract from another team his team has the right to match that contract and keep the player, or refuse to match and collect the the appropriate draft choice from the other team. But aside from that he is a free agent. He can talk to any team he wants w/o NE's permission. Any team can talk to him w/o NE's permission. He can't be fined by the team for anything. And so on.

The New England Patriots own the rights to Malcolm Butler since the New England Patriots submitted a qualifying offer for restricted free agent Malcolm Butler.

The compensation for a restricted free agent Malcolm Butler, in this case the New Orleans, is New Orleans first round draft pick.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The compensation for a restricted free agent Malcolm Butler, in this case the New Orleans, is New Orleans first round draft pick.

If he decides to sign an offer sheet. If he signs the tender, the Patriots can trade him for anything they want.

 

[XLIX]

If the New England Patriots do not agree to compensation, Butler is SOL. Petulant children must be dealt with accordingly.

Uh, guess again. If a team is willing to give up their first rounder, and makes an offer the Patriots won't match, the Patriots can't stop it from happening.

With all due respect, the more you talk on this topic the more it is clear you don't understand the RFA process. Just a few posts ago you thought that Butler was under contract with the Patriots when myself and another individual had to correct you.

Waa! Stephon Gilmore accrued 5 NFL Seasons and received 5 years/$65 million!

Waa! Malcolm Butler accrued 3 NFL Seasons and received 1 year/$3.91 million!

Waa! Dispatch the wambulances!

The only one whining here is you. Butler (and his agent) would be fools not to at least pursue other opportunities. It would be recklessly irresponsible to just sign the tender right away in this situation where there is ZERO chance the Patriots rescind the offer.

 

[XLIX]

The New England Patriots own the rights to Malcolm Butler since the New England Patriots submitted a qualifying offer for restricted free agent Malcolm Butler.

Like I said.... the more you talk about this topic., the more you prove you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[ATippett56]

If he decides to sign an offer sheet. If he signs the tender, the Patriots can trade him for anything they want.

The New England Patriots can also trade Jimmy Garoppolo

What are you talking about? It's out of NE's hands. If Butler gets a contract from another team (which is highly unlikely -- a first round tendered RFA hasn't been signed away in 13 years) and signs it, Butler is guaranteed to get that contract. Either NE doesn't match and Butler has that contract with the team that offered it. Or NE does match and Butler has that same contract with NE. NE has no say in the matter and doesn't have to/get to "agree to compensation".

The only decision the New England Patriots have to make is if Malcolm Butler signs an offer sheet from the New Orleans Saints.

 

[ATippett56]

Uh, guess again. If a team is willing to give up their first rounder, and makes an offer the Patriots won't match, the Patriots can't stop it from happening.

With all due respect, the more you talk on this topic the more it is clear you don't understand the RFA process. Just a few posts ago you thought that Butler was under contract with the Patriots when myself and another individual had to correct you.

The only one whining here is you. Butler (and his agent) would be fools not to at least pursue other opportunities. It would be recklessly irresponsible to just sign the tender right away in this situation where there is ZERO chance the Patriots rescind the offer.

The New England Patriots have the option to do absolutely nothing until Malcolm Butler signs an offer sheet. The New England Patriots already submitted a qualifying offer to restricted free agent Malcolm Butler.

 

[JMC00]

Malcolm Butler's rookie deal if he played under the tender =$5.44m total

Derek Carr's rookie deal = $5.37m total

Butler and his moron of an agent can f**k off , whining about money. Dude had 1 good season and him and his agent had the balls to ask the Pats for him to be paid like Talib ($9.5m) after '15.


Whatever have fun in NO when they give him a huge deal and then Dennis Allen thinks he can put him on an island against Jones, Benjamin and Evans

 

[XLIX]

The New England Patriots can also trade Jimmy Garoppolo
The only decision the New England Patriots have to make is if Malcolm Butler signs an offer sheet from the New Orleans Saints.

Well, they may have to decide whether they want to keep Butler for 1 year and then get nothing in return, or if they are willing to accept a lower offer today. The current rumor is they may get #32 back from NO, so that is something the Patriots would have to agree to and a decision they would have to make.

 

[XLIX]

The New England Patriots have the option to do absolutely nothing until Malcolm Butler signs an offer sheet.

This is true, but refusing to negotiate a deal with other teams is, in itself, a decision of its own.

 

[XLIX]

Malcolm Butler's rookie deal if he played under the tender =$5.44m total

Derek Carr's rookie deal = $5.37m total

Butler and his moron of an agent can f**k off , whining about money. Dude had 1 good season and him and his agent had the balls to ask the Pats for him to be paid like Talib ($9.5m)

Where has Butler (or his agent) whined about money??

Seriously, where are you people getting this stuff???

 

[ATippett56]

Uh, guess again. If a team is willing to give up their first rounder, and makes an offer the Patriots won't match, the Patriots can't stop it from happening.

With all due respect, the more you talk on this topic the more it is clear you don't understand the RFA process. Just a few posts ago you thought that Butler was under contract with the Patriots when myself and another individual had to correct you.

The only one whining here is you. Butler (and his agent) would be fools not to at least pursue other opportunities. It would be recklessly irresponsible to just sign the tender right away in this situation where there is ZERO chance the Patriots rescind the offer.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

The New England Patriots submitted a qualifying offer to restricted free agent Malcolm Butler.

 

[XLIX]

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I sure as **** know more about it than you do considering you thought Butler was currently under contract with the Patriots and 3 posters (including myself) had to disabuse you of that erroneous notion.

 

[supafly]

The New England Patriots have the option to do absolutely nothing until Malcolm Butler signs an offer sheet. The New England Patriots already submitted a qualifying offer to restricted free agent Malcolm Butler.

He hasn't signed the tender yet. Once the framework for a new deal is worked out, he'll certainly sign it so he can get traded and paid. Supposedly, that's what he and his agent are currently doing in N.Orleans.

The only questions are whether another team actually signs him to a formal offer sheet (highly doubtful in my opinion) which would give us a first rounder as compensation, or whether he signs it and NE trades him for something else.

As noted by XLIX, it's still possible that Belichick keeps him for one last year, too. Although opinions may differ on how high those odds are, it still remains a distinct possibility.

 

[ATippett56]

He hasn't signed the tender yet. Once the framework for a new deal is worked out, he'll certainly sign it so he can get traded and paid. Supposedly, that's what he and his agent are currently doing in N.Orleans.

The only questions are whether another team actually signs him to a formal offer sheet (highly doubtful in my opinion) which would give us a first rounder as compensation, or whether he signs it and NE trades him for something else.

As noted by XLIX, it's still possible that Belichick keeps him for one last year, too. Although opinions may differ on how high those odds are, it still remains a distinct possibility.

So what? If Malcolm Butler refuses to sign the qualifying offer his contract is tolled.

 

[supafly]

Malcolm Butler's rookie deal if he played under the tender =$5.44m total

Derek Carr's rookie deal = $5.37m total

Butler and his moron of an agent can f**k off , whining about money. Dude had 1 good season and him and his agent had the balls to ask the Pats for him to be paid like Talib ($9.5m) after '15.


Whatever have fun in NO when they give him a huge deal and then Dennis Allen thinks he can put him on an island against Jones, Benjamin and Evans

I don't share the same resentment that you seem to be feeling, but you make an excellent point that Butler's weaknesses were being masked quite nicely. I will be sad if/when he leaves, though. Really liked his heart, attitude, physicality, and underdog story.