Butch Stearns: Rivers MAY have torn ACL, or not [mergedx2]

[spacecrime]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Comments like that backup what Shaun Phillips said.
New England fans are by far the most arrogant, biased, and nastiest in the NFL. They absolutely refuse to recognize greatness outside the little world they live in.

It's a big world we live in, filled with Lombardis and an undefeated season. We recognize greatness when we see it. Don't see it in the Chargers. Get it through your heads that collective New England is GLAD the Chargers won. Go back to the threads pre-game. Everyone was hoping you'd win. Fact is that the CHargers have done absolutely ZILCH in this league since Fouts and Winslow played.

You think because your team won a couple games they are great, but that's not great. When was the last time you played in the AFCCG? This will be the Pats FIFTH AFCCG in the last seven years. That is great. Winning two playoff games in the last 10-12 years is not great.

Your team has done squat. And until it does, until you go deep into the playoffs multiple years, you guys need to sit down and STFU as you are simply embarrassing yourself.

In the meantime, dopes like JCDavey says people who think the Chargers and rivers isn't great are retrarded. It is ******ed to think that a team who hasn't done anything is great.

Potential and three bucks gets you a coffee and donut. Come back when you have matched what we have done and we'll talk. In the meantime, stop yapping about how little our world is and how great yours is. You have it backwards.

 

[Kdo5]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

I'd take on Billy Volek any day. The guy got lucky, Indy's defense was pathetic.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Apparently SD needs a little more of those "bad element" fans to avoid....

The San Diego Chargers face a local TV blackout for Sunday's playoff game unless the home team sells its remaining 350 tickets by 1:30 p.m. today – a task made tricky by a winter storm predicted for game time and the thousands of tickets for resale on the Internet.

IT'S THE PLAYOFFS!! YOU BARELY SOLD OUT THE PLAYOFFS!!!

now now now. That's not entirely true. A lot of fans were told that the game was sold out, then more tickets were released later in the week. I went to ticketmaster on Monday morning only to be told that there were no tickets available. On Friday I find out that the game hasn't been sold out yet and I nearly flipped. I KNOW there was a ton of us on the Chargers MB's that this happened to also. This is smack, but it's really uninformed smack.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Re: Butch Stern on WEEI just said

So who has have back-to-back 400-yard passing games, Rivers or Volek?

One of us doesn't know much about football, but it isn't me, babe. It's you.

I said I'd rather face Rivers than Volek, and it has NOTHING to do with how strong a guy's arm is. After you have watched football for more than two years, you will realize that arm strength is the most highly over-rated aspect of quarterbacking.

I understand that you're too young to remember, but Ryan Leaf had a stronger arm than either Rivers or Volek. On the Patriots, Rohan Davey had a much stronger arm than Brady.

Volek played extremely well in Tennessee, but mostly he is solid and stable and not as easily flustered as Rivers.

I don't see what your problem is, anyway. We both want Rivers to play, because be both think it will help our team win.

Volek is a legit starter and has starter type numbers ONLY when he prepares the week as the starter in Tenn. As a backup his numbers decrees dramatically so I have faith in him if they prepare him right but our chances are greater with Rivers in there.

I'm not sure but Rivers might just have the worst arm strength as a starter in the league, due to his throwing style. It's not a bad thing though because Brady had that title his rookie and sophmore year and you could always develop an arm but you can't develop a heart and savvy.

If I remember correctly, "he who shall not be named" had one of the most impressive arms they've seen. Plus, his size and strength were unreal and he was supposed to be one of the better QBs in the league. I watched a NFL Films show asking GM's which QB they'de rather have, Manning or "he who shall not be named" and it was split across the board. Obviously he never developed. Plus, it's kinda funny that Brady was judged by his arm strength, speed and already labled as not an NFL QB and has developed into arguably the greatest QB of all time.

 

[PatsRule]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

all smack aside, regardless of what happens, even if you guys pull out a snow plow and woodchipper LT to death

i'm pulling for whoever wins, to win the superbowl

if ya gotta lose, lose to the #1 team for the season

Hey jcdavey....If the Bolts win im rooting for the AFC in the SB..

 

[kriskanos]

Re: Butch Stern on WEEI just said

I would rather have Marty than a former Hollywood Stuntman in Turner...I'm not making that up either check IMDB...Norv quit the stunt business after working on Raiders of the Lost Ark. He got injured doubling for Harrisson Ford in the scene where he had to get dragged behind the truck. His foot got caught on the bumper and he was dragged for a half-mile face down in the dirt. Damn shame really.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

it sure doesn't make you an honest football fan

but hey maybe you're just all about smack talk and are incapable of having a logical football discussion i don't know.

if it's all smack cool.....but even in smack i don't lie, and i expect people to actually tell the truth, even in their smack

maybe i'm holding people like you to too high a standard

so go right ahead and keep lying in your smack talk


every board has so much ******ed false facts anyway...so just keep spreading the misinformation and creating stupider people by the second.....

Can you make a post without using the word "******ed"? We happen to have good posters here that have special needs children and they resent the use of that word. In your case it's overuse.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

It's a sprained MCL nothing more. You can't run or play with a torn ACL.

Actually, you CAN and there was a player playing in the NFL like that. It was Bobby Shaw. It was found that he had torn his ACL in both knees at some point in his life and that he's just developed the other 2 ligaments.

All ACL injuries are not created equal.

BTW, Rivers hasn't been running and yes, if you can WALK, you can PLAY.

 

[Tommysgirl]

Re: Butch Stern on WEEI just said

I would rather have Marty than a former Hollywood Stuntman in Turner...I'm not making that up either check IMDB...Norv quit the stunt business after working on Raiders of the Lost Ark. He got injured doubling for Harrisson Ford in the scene where he had to get dragged behind the truck. His foot got caught on the bumper and he was dragged for a half-mile face down in the dirt. Damn shame really.

Is that what happened to his face?

 

[kriskanos]

Re: Butch Stern on WEEI just said

Is that what happened to his face?

To quote Bugs Bunny..."Yup."

 

[FloridaPatsFan]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Actually, you CAN and there was a player playing in the NFL like that. It was Bobby Shaw. It was found that he had torn his ACL in both knees at some point in his life and that he's just developed the other 2 ligaments.

All ACL injuries are not created equal.

BTW, Rivers hasn't been running and yes, if you can WALK, you can PLAY.

Everything you wrote is absolutely true. But the most telling sign of Rivers injury was that it happened on a non-contact play....very typical if he was already playing with a partial/complete tear of the ACL. The knee will have no stability. I'm 100% positive that they are downplaying this injury in San Diego. I've also been told that Elway played without an ACL in one of his knees. If a player develops strength in the hamstrings...it will also compensate for partial/complete tears of the ACL.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

It's a sprained MCL nothing more. You can't run or play with a torn ACL.

http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/media/storage/paper997/news/2007/02/22/Sports/Bofia.Plays.On-2736262.shtml

You can play with a torn ACL, at least sometimes.

 

[BoltsFan]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Actually, you CAN and there was a player playing in the NFL like that. It was Bobby Shaw. It was found that he had torn his ACL in both knees at some point in his life and that he's just developed the other 2 ligaments.

All ACL injuries are not created equal.

BTW, Rivers hasn't been running and yes, if you can WALK, you can PLAY.

Yea, it depends on the type of ACL tear. Full tear, to play one week later would be amazing I think. Anyway it's the MCL not the ACL and it's only a sprain.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Comments like that backup what Shaun Phillips said.
New England fans are by far the most arrogant, biased, and nastiest in the NFL. They absolutely refuse to recognize greatness outside the little world they live in.

What greatness have New Englanders ignored? Certainly NOT that of Phillip Rivers. The guy is barely above average.

No one has refused LdT's greatness.

Its moronic and idiotic comments like YOURS that show that people from outside of New England are CLUELESS about New Englanders in general and should just keep their mouth's shut.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Its not as serious as Dixons was anyway, its not torn, its strained.

And either way if our O-line plays like it has he wont be touched.

First of all, you really should know what you are talking about before you comment. Secondly, muscles are strained, ligaments are sprained. And lastly, a sprain can be TEARING of the ligament.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/sprains-and-strains

If a ligament is stretched or torn, the injury is called a sprain.

If there IS minor tearing, which they may not be able to see on the MRI, then River's knee won't be nearly as strong as it needs to be. And if he steps onto that field without some kind of brace, he's a friggin idiot who is asking to be injured even worse than he currently is.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Butch Stearns: Rivers has torn ACL [mergedx2]

Yea, it depends on the type of ACL tear. Full tear, to play one week later would be amazing I think. Anyway it's the MCL not the ACL and it's only a sprain.

Newsflash for you. A sprain is a type of tearing of the ligament.

That's your one free piece of information. Anything more and I start charging.

 

[BradyToMoss]

An immobile Phil Rivers playing is alot better than a healthy Billy Volek. I've seen enough backup QB's have fun with the Patriots before. Bring on an injured Rivers.

 

[Patsgofor4]

To say that you cannot run with a torn ACL shows a complete lack of understanding about the function of the ligaments of the knee. I am a physician (although not an orthopedic surgeon) and can tell you that it is definitely possible to walk straight ahead even if you tear your ACL completely in half (ie. Rivers walking to the locker room or walking along the sidelines). How do I know that? Because I have seen patients who have never had their ACL injuries fixed but lead completely normal lives. Pivoting on a torn ACL, on the other hand, is close to impossible. Based upon the play in which Rivers was injured, an ACL tear makes much more sense. The MCL runs along the inner (medial) aspect of the knee and tends to be injured by a direct blow to the outside of the knee, not by jumping and landing awkwardly. If you dont believe me, this is from MGH, home of Patriots team physician Tom Gill:

https://www.massgeneral.org/sports/injuries/faq_ACL.html

6. How will the knee function if the ACL is torn?
If no structure other than the ACL is injured, the knee usually regains it range of motion and is painless after six or eight weeks. The knee can then feel completely normal. However, it can be a "trick knee". If a knee does not have an ACL it can give way or be unstable when the person pivots or changes direction. The person can usually run straight ahead and ride a bicycle without a difficulty. However, when the person with a torn ACL makes a quick turning motion away from the planted foot, the knee tends to give way and collapse. This abnormal motion can damage the menisci or articular cartilage and cause further knee problems.

The lesson? Don't talk out of your ass.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Rivers has a torn ACL

Heard on the Big Show on EEI. He said that he will still try to play, but his lateral movement is restricted.

I've had this same injury... and actually lived with it for several years before having it repaired... it started as a partial tear and quickly evolved into a full tear and I can say clearly that forward and back motion is not a problem even with a full tear.
In fact I'd often play QB in pickup touch football games because it was the one position I COULD play.

Side to side... forget it... just thinking about it would cause PTSD of my initial (and many subsequent) Joe Theismanish knee injuries where the sucker would fold sideways (and legs generally don't like that)

Frankly - while Rivers could certainly be effective on some plays, the risk of further injury and the psychological aspect of what should be a natural fear of being hit and blowing it out completely should cause any coach to bench him.

So I can't see him playing if indeed he has an ACL tear - but I'm not surprised they'd do everything to keep the Pats guessing.

 

[JoeSixPat]

An immobile Phil Rivers playing is alot better than a healthy Billy Volek. I've seen enough backup QB's have fun with the Patriots before. Bring on an injured Rivers.

I agree - which is why I just can't see Rivers playing... assuming these reports are correct - which we cannot.

The only way Rivers is in there is if all Patriots and Chargers players for that matter agree not to touch him... and that ain't happening.

Frankly I'd be surprised if they even made had him on the game day active list if he does have an ACL tear.