Business Insider "BB's Drafting of DBs Is Killing The Pats"

[JackBauer]

Belichick has done an absolutely horrendous job of drafting defensive backs. This is self evident truth. You guys do know the man isn't infallible, right? If you want an example of his ****ty drafting at the position killing this team, look no further than last year's AFC Championship after Talib went out of the game.

Bill is in the argument for best coach of all time, and his achievements speak for themselves, but that doesn't mean his mistakes have to constantly be excused.

Straw man much?

 

[dannydyn]

BI.com is the biggest joke in the news outlets sector. I should know, because I use their material for amusement purposes on slow days at work...

 

[RodThePat]

Straw man much?

Yeah, it's not like this thread is filled with people citing Belichick's past accomplishments, trying to discredit the author of the article, or making fun of the fact that it's written for Business Insider as a means to devalue the content, and the criticism of Belichick.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Someone is pointing out the obvious Patriots struggles drafting DBs, in an article. Let's string him up!

Congrats on your first published piece on BI!
You're usually more articulate and coherent but it's clever to disguise your style somewhat.

 

[Big-T]

How much of the failings of DBs comes down to the coaching they have?

We know they're coached to not turn and look for the ball and instead try and make a play through the receivers hands to knock the ball away, Butler at the end of his rookie year was playing well and turning for the ball...the next year? Not looking and getting toasted by everyone, the same went for McCourty, his head rarely turned in year 2.

Last year Dennard would turn and look for the ball too so let's wait and see how he plays this year.

Then of course there's just the bad picks, like Ras-I.

 

[JackBauer]

BI.com is the biggest joke in the news outlets sector. I should know, because I use their material for amusement purposes on slow days at work...

They have some talented writers like Josh Barro. On the whole it isn't great though, I'd agree.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It is however a good thing that BI is there to state the obvious for us, we never would have realized it otherwise.

I am eagerly awaiting their next article on how it may not have been a good idea to give Hernandez that big contract extension.

 

[dannydyn]

They have some talented writers like Josh Barro. On the whole it isn't great though, I'd agree.

Any site that defends Miley Cyrus' performance at the VMA's is garbage in my book.

 

[JackBauer]

Yeah, it's not like this thread is filled with people citing Belichick's past accomplishments, trying to discredit the author of the article, or making fun of the fact that it's written for Business Insider as a means to devalue the content, and the criticism of Belichick.

No one has portrayed BB as infallible, and I bet you almost everyone would agree with the general thrust that he has struggled with DB picks.

That said, the article itself is poor, so I'm not sure why you're surprised it'd get trashed here.

 

[yukon cornelius]

how many DB's have been drafted in the first 3 rounds over the past 10 years....how many ended up pro bowlers....how many regular starters

same figures for rounds 4-7 would be nice



then compare the pats numbers over the same time period



thing is, the draft tends to be a crapshoot from the end of the first round on.....the pats have had NEED at DB, so they've drafted a lot.....some have been misses, some near misses, some hits, some great picks.....much like, i suspect, the drafting accuracy out of the rest of the league

DB & WR are probably two of the more unpredictable slots to fill out of the draft.....the teams that have had to draft those positions due to need are bound to have more misses than hits, such is the nature of the beast


i don't think so much that bill has struggled to fill DB through the draft, but more that in the NFL filling that position via the draft isn't easy.....and i'd bet the numbers over time bear that out

 

[RodThePat]

No one has portrayed BB as infallible, and I bet you almost everyone would agree with the general thrust that he has struggled with DB picks.

That said, the article itself is poor, so I'm not sure why you're surprised it'd get trashed here.

That's the thing, you have to "bet" most people would agree with the general message of the article, because most people haven't come here and manifested that opinion themselves. When shoddily written fluff pieces on Patriots players are posted here, I don't see about half the posters discussing the merits of the writing, you really believe people have more of a problem with how this article was written than the fact that it criticizes Belichick?

 

[Huckleberry1]

how many DB's have been drafted in the first 3 rounds over the past 10 years....how many ended up pro bowlers....how many regular starters

same figures for rounds 4-7 would be nice



then compare the pats numbers over the same time period



thing is, the draft tends to be a crapshoot from the end of the first round on.....the pats have had NEED at DB, so they've drafted a lot.....some have been misses, some near misses, some hits, some great picks.....much like, i suspect, the drafting accuracy out of the rest of the league

DB & WR are probably two of the more unpredictable slots to fill out of the draft.....the teams that have had to draft those positions due to need are bound to have more misses than hits, such is the nature of the beast


i don't think so much that bill has struggled to fill DB through the draft, but more that in the NFL filling that position via the draft isn't easy.....and i'd bet the numbers over time bear that out

That is not how draft analysis is actually done. What the real experts do is wait a couple of years to see who pans out and then give a retrospective critique going by who they would have picked 3 years later. Personally i am still outraged that they didn't take Mike Wallace, I was pretty much certain he would have been a good choice after his 3rd year in Pittsburgh.

 

[Deus Irae]

how many DB's have been drafted in the first 3 rounds over the past 10 years....how many ended up pro bowlers....how many regular starters

same figures for rounds 4-7 would be nice



then compare the pats numbers over the same time period



thing is, the draft tends to be a crapshoot from the end of the first round on.....the pats have had NEED at DB, so they've drafted a lot.....some have been misses, some near misses, some hits, some great picks.....much like, i suspect, the drafting accuracy out of the rest of the league

DB & WR are probably two of the more unpredictable slots to fill out of the draft.....the teams that have had to draft those positions due to need are bound to have more misses than hits, such is the nature of the beast


i don't think so much that bill has struggled to fill DB through the draft, but more that in the NFL filling that position via the draft isn't easy.....and i'd bet the numbers over time bear that out

 

[belichick010405]

Another sign of the decline of print and electronic journalism.

If this is what people call analysis then maybe I am living in the twilight zone.

 

[JackBauer]

That's the thing, you have to "bet" most people would agree with the general message of the article, because most people haven't come here and manifested that opinion themselves. When shoddily written fluff pieces on Patriots players are posted here, I don't see about half the posters discussing the merits of the writing, you really believe people have more of a problem with how this article was written than the fact that it criticizes Belichick?

You're probably right that shoddily-written pro-Patriots articles receive less criticism than shoddily-written critical pieces. I think in this case you're getting more backlash than you would ordinarily expect due to the headline.

 

[RodThePat]

That is not how draft analysis is actually done. What the real experts do is wait a couple of years to see who pans out and then give a retrospective critique going by who they would have picked 3 years later. Personally i am still outraged that they didn't take Mike Wallace, I was pretty much certain he would have been a good choice after his 3rd year in Pittsburgh.

How is retrospective criticism not valid? You have to provide me the Patriots scouting network and infrastructure if you want me to have the ability to analyze draft picks as soon as they are made. Even the fans who are College Football fanatics are hard pressed to have elaborate and consistent opinions on who the Patriots should and shouldn't draft.

So after they pick a guy and the kid pretty much sucks from the get-go, the fans and media reaction should be "aw, shucks! Well, Bill really liked him, so it's a pity it didn't pan out..."?

 

[RodThePat]

You're probably right that shoddily-written pro-Patriots articles receive less criticism than shoddily-written critical pieces. I think in this case you're getting more backlash than you would ordinarily expect due to the headline.

We'll agree on that. The use of the term "killing", in particular, was a desperate cry for attention by the writer.

 

[DarrylS]

Before the first kickoff the sky is falling folks stop by, ain't it awful.

This d backfield has all matured another NFL year, and for the most part have played together for a while now.. one thing we know is the value of experience in the NFL and in the Patriots system...

At one point last season our d backfield totaled less than 5 years NFL experience.. as much as there are those who believe that this is a haphazard collection of JAG's, it is much different than that with some depth..

To have healthy, improved D ends and LB's will only help the overall defense.. even though the d backfield is in the limelight often, they are mutually dependent on the rest of the defense...

If any of us had any sense we should reserve judgement until about the 4th game.. and then see what happens.

 

[belichick010405]

You're probably right that shoddily-written pro-Patriots articles receive less criticism than shoddily-written critical pieces. I think in this case you're getting more backlash than you would ordinarily expect due to the headline.

Jack - I am a equal opportunity critic of any journalist that doesn't know what in the hell they are doing.

Case in point - Nick Underhill, Ben Volin, Felger and even Greg Bedard.

I was all over Bedard and his insistence last year that the Patriots were running a 3-4 defense despite how their personnel was set up.

 

[resdubwhite]

Any site that defends Miley Cyrus' performance at the VMA's is garbage in my book.

well. Without getting into it too much.

Commercially, She's done quite well out of it.

Artistically. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Back on topic. Our history hasn't been great.

hopefully Logan and Harmon help to make the unit better this year.

Onwards, upwards and ever forwards.