Browns interested in trade for Garoppolo

[ctpatsfan77]

Jimmy G isn't exactly from Camelot (E. Illinois U.) so he should be happy to get a starting job in the NFL.

It ain't tOSU, but look up former Panthers. You'd be surprised how many well known names there are.

 

[luuked]

I'd rather trade with SF49ers.... they have the #2 pick overall.

From there we trade back multiple times because we aren't desperate for that 1 big impact player like most teams are.

We go from 2 overall and trade back to #7 and get a couple extra picks... then we go from #7 to #12 and get a couple extra picks... then from #12 to #18 and get more picks....etc etc etc... BB will own the draft like none other.

You will not get the second overall pick for JG. That's as much an illusion as the Mallet draft picks from the Texans.

On the other hand #12 -- especially because the Browns still have a **** ton of additional picks -- doesn't sound as unrealistic. But even for that it will require a bidding war most probably. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a 3/4 in 2017 plus a conditional 2018 second round that can become a first round based on playing time.

Similarly, I wouldn't be shocked if JG is on the roster through spring and gets moved around August when whatever bottom feeder realizes what garbage they have at QB/someone gets injured. This also gives BB & co. a better grasp on how much Jacoby developed over the offseason and whether he is able to handle backup duty.

 

[slash83]

The more teams interested the better, would love to see a bidding war over Jimmy G.

 

[dafoe2016]

I'd rather trade with SF49ers.... they have the #2 pick overall.

From there we trade back multiple times because we aren't desperate for that 1 big impact player like most teams are.

We go from 2 overall and trade back to #7 and get a couple extra picks... then we go from #7 to #12 and get a couple extra picks... then from #12 to #18 and get more picks....etc etc etc... BB will own the draft like none other.

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There is as much chance of us getting the second pick for Jimmy as there is of Bill doing the post game press conference in naked.

 

[patman52]

Jimmy will not fetch the 12th pick, unless our 1st is included.

 

[DarrylS]

IMO the 2nd or 12th is a high price and probably all based on speculation... Jimmy G. as so many others flourish in this system, but do not do as well in other systems..

IMO I think it is more like two high second round picks, plus a mid round pick.

No matter what happens to Jimmy G and if we do get picks for him, fans will whine about the pick and it will make great talk radio..

 

[Wilfork#75]

Jimmy will not fetch the 12th pick, unless our 1st is included.

I disagree, I think the 12th pick is the minimum we would get back. Is Jimmy G worth that in a vacuum? Probably not but that is completely irrelevant. The question is what other choices do the Browns have? They are stuck in QB purgatory and their entire front office is under pressure to turn things around. They desperately need a talented young QB and will have to fight with all the other QB needy teams to get one.

They aren't going to take a QB #1 overall because nobody is worthy. It's almost guaranteed they will take Myles Garrett who is the consensus top guy in the draft. The problem for the Browns is even though this is a historically weak QB class, none of the top guys will make it to the 12th pick. So they would either have to trade up, likely into the top 6 picks to draft a QB, draft yet another developmental QB later in the draft and continue to suck while they hope they develop or sign a journeyman FA QB and likely suck while hoping the QB class is better next year and you don't win just enough games to miss out on the top QBs in 2018.

I might be a complete homer but to me Jimmy G looks like by far the best option for the Browns, even if it costs the #12 pick. They have a ton of draft capital to fill other needs and a few nice pieces where they might be able to turn things around pretty quickly. But more importantly they have no leverage to negotiate with the Pats. The other trade and free agent options are poor, the draft class is historically weak and they are desperate.

If I am Cleveland I would be thrilled to get Jimmy G for just the #12 pick. You get the top QB available (assuming Cousins goes nowhere), you get an elite blue chip prospect in Myles Garrett and you have two more high picks in the second round. I think you would be much crazier to spend a high pick on any of the QBs in this draft than trade one for Garoppolo.

 

[borisman]

Lol we are not getting Clevelands 1st. More like 12 and Philadelphia 2nd or Phillys 2nd next year.

Ummm, yeah, I wasn't suggesting the no.1 overall pick. That is just silly to expect. If we got the no.1 pick then I wouldn't expect any other kind of compensation. Yeah, I guess I should have specified 12th overall but I thought that went without saying. Only a couple of delusional posters think we should hold out for the first overall pick.

 

[PittPatriot]

It ain't tOSU, but look up former Panthers. You'd be surprised how many well known names there are.

I agree...they are a strong program but a midmajor at best.
It is closer to YSU than OSU.

 

[PP2]

I'm coming around to believe the relevant question is how much confidence BB has that Brissett can lead his team and make the plays to win. We talk about Brady's time remaining (a few years?), and Jimmy's evidence (some) and college competition (weak). Not nearly enough about Brissett's ceiling.

We haven't seen much of the kid, but for certain the coaches have. They didn't draft him for no reason at all. They didn't activate him off IR for no reason at all, either.

Well let's put it this way: Brissett's locker space is right next to Brady's. Don't think it could get any clearer than that, as to who the real heir apparent is.

And the locker on Brady's other side? It belongs to Hogan.

 

[luuked]

Well let's put it this way: Brissett's locker space is right next to Brady's. Don't think it could get any clearer than that, as to who the real heir apparent is.

And the locker on Brady's other side? It belongs to Hogan.

I am still not convinced that they are ready yet to part with JG without seeing the jump Jacoby hopefully will make from y1 to y2. Unless someone grossly overpays (e.g. #12 pick). I think it's more likely he is on the team during spring and gets traded once the coaches have seen a bit from JB version y2.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Ummm, yeah, I wasn't suggesting the no.1 overall pick. That is just silly to expect. If we got the no.1 pick then I wouldn't expect any other kind of compensation. Yeah, I guess I should have specified 12th overall but I thought that went without saying. Only a couple of delusional posters think we should hold out for the first overall pick.

You start a bidding war and anything is possible. There is a reason these teams perennially pick at the top of the draft, and it all stems from bad decisions, like overpaying for the next "franchise QB" Let them think SF wants to offer the 2nd pick and maybe they bite...Crazier things have happened......

 

[mosslost]

I don't see how refusing to sign an extension with New England is a risky move for Garoppolo. He would be foolish to sign an extension here unless everyone knows something about Brady which completely contradicts Brady's spoken statements.

I meant with Cleveland. SIgn something that makes him a little rich, but is shorter term so he can get the %#$%! out of there

 

[Bill Lee]

Probably the 3rd or so thread I'm typing this in to, but asking a GM to part with a 1st rounder is like asking them to part with their first born child. It'll be interesting to see if any have the balls to do it. I think the answer is no. It's just so much safer to use the 1st rounder on some position of need and give yourself a few years for that choice to be a boom or a bust rather than going all in on JG and needing him to perform in year 1 or your career is in the toilet.

It's great for the Pats, but concerned JG could be going to a graveyard.

That's nice of you, but I don't think BB is nice when it comes to the fortunes of the Patriots. The last thing BB would want to do is trade JG to a team that's only a player or two away. He'd rather banish him to a place like CLE that's in a total rebuilding mode.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't think BB is nice when it comes to the fortunes of the Patriots. The last thing BB would want to do is trade JG to a team that's only a player or two away. He'd rather banish him to a place like CLE that's in a total rebuilding mode.

I think thats an interesting point and I agree with you as there is evidence to support it.

Drew= BUF
Sey= OAK
Mankins= TB
Moss=MN
Branch= SEA
Collins=CLE

For each team, BB did not see them as an immediate threat so he was comfortable with the deal.

It'll be telling if BB trades Jimmy to CLE.

I would also assume based on his competition, he takes into account if the team is a contender in the AFC East, the AFC and the NFL. I think that (trading to a contender) is part of an overall formula BB thinks through when trading a player to another team.

While DEN is AFC competition, clearly he felt right trading Derby to DEN.

 

[The Gr8est]

I disagree, I think the 12th pick is the minimum we would get back. Is Jimmy G worth that in a vacuum? Probably not but that is completely irrelevant. The question is what other choices do the Browns have? They are stuck in QB purgatory and their entire front office is under pressure to turn things around. They desperately need a talented young QB and will have to fight with all the other QB needy teams to get one.

They aren't going to take a QB #1 overall because nobody is worthy. It's almost guaranteed they will take Myles Garrett who is the consensus top guy in the draft. The problem for the Browns is even though this is a historically weak QB class, none of the top guys will make it to the 12th pick. So they would either have to trade up, likely into the top 6 picks to draft a QB, draft yet another developmental QB later in the draft and continue to suck while they hope they develop or sign a journeyman FA QB and likely suck while hoping the QB class is better next year and you don't win just enough games to miss out on the top QBs in 2018.

I might be a complete homer but to me Jimmy G looks like by far the best option for the Browns, even if it costs the #12 pick. They have a ton of draft capital to fill other needs and a few nice pieces where they might be able to turn things around pretty quickly. But more importantly they have no leverage to negotiate with the Pats. The other trade and free agent options are poor, the draft class is historically weak and they are desperate.

If I am Cleveland I would be thrilled to get Jimmy G for just the #12 pick. You get the top QB available (assuming Cousins goes nowhere), you get an elite blue chip prospect in Myles Garrett and you have two more high picks in the second round. I think you would be much crazier to spend a high pick on any of the QBs in this draft than trade one for Garoppolo.

I agree that in a vacuum Jimmy G is not worth what the Pats will get for him, but in a vacuum Sam Bradford isn't worth what the Vikings paid either.

As you pointed out there are not a lot of young QBs as good as Jimmy appears to be, and the NFL* is starved for starting quality QBs. If the Browns,or another team balk at a high price, well, they can continue to suck much cheaper.

Likewise, if the Browns were to pick Garrett #1 overall and then try to trade up for one of the top QBs in the draft, the cost to trade up might be more than the cost to trade for Jimmy straight up, and the draftable QBs appear weak this year.

Also, for those pointing out that Jimmy was a 2nd round pick and that limits what the Pats can expect, consider that a big reason Jimmy didn't go higher was due to the level of competition he faced in college, and he has now spent three years being groomed under Brady and has played very well against NFL* competition, even though the sample size is small.

As I recall, in the 2014 draft, the Browns were debating whether to take Jimmy or Johnny Manziel, so while the Browns made a bad choice, there were teams considering Jimmy in the 1st round that year.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Yes, why on Earth would you waste a 1st round pick in a trade for Jimmy G when you can use it on a sure thing like DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky, or Deshaun Watson?

This is why the Patriots are successful. They may literally be the only NFL team not run by morons.

 

[fightingirish595]

Probably the 3rd or so thread I'm typing this in to, but asking a GM to part with a 1st rounder is like asking them to part with their first born child. It'll be interesting to see if any have the balls to do it. I think the answer is no. It's just so much safer to use the 1st rounder on some position of need and give yourself a few years for that choice to be a boom or a bust rather than going all in on JG and needing him to perform in year 1 or your career is in the toilet.


That's nice of you, but I don't think BB is nice when it comes to the fortunes of the Patriots. The last thing BB would want to do is trade JG to a team that's only a player or two away. He'd rather banish him to a place like CLE that's in a total rebuilding mode.

teams will trade a first rounder for a guy they think is a franchise quarterback.
Look what the eagles gave up last year for Carson wentz and a 4th round draft pick. If someone loves Jimmy and thinks he's the answer, they will do give up a top 10 pick. any trade that's made should look something like that trade from last year between the browns and eagles. I don't see why it shouldnt when you consider all factors

 

[GodBrady]

Look who the browns got for carson wentz... a guy who never played a down in the Nfl. Did not even play in the FBS.

Again, it's apples and oranges. Carson Wentz is a rookie, and so he is forced to sign a cheap rookie contract. After Wentz was drafted, he signed a 4-year, $27M deal, which additionally comes with a 5th-year option.

Jimmy is in the last year of his contract. Brock just signed for $72M and he's a steaming pile of garbage. Jimmy G could require something like a 5-year, $90M contract. Who knows.

So basically, if you're the Browns, you have to say something like:
- do I want Jimmy G and lock him up at 5-years, $90M, OR,
- do I want Kizer/Watson/Trubisky at 4-years, $29M + 5th year option, and have $61M extra in payroll over the next five years? $12M a year could completely cover a Terrelle Pryor extension!

Again, many of the arguments being made apply exactly to Jamie Collins. Let's say hypothetically we knew there were ongoing trade discussion for Jamie Collins earlier in the season. You would've seen posts on this board like, "Collins is an elite talent. If the Browns want him, they're going to have to pay a steep price. I wouldn't settle for anything less than a 2nd round pick. If the Browns don't want to pay that? Too bad, then you can't have him. We don't have to trade Collins, we're only going to trade him if the price is right. Belichick shouldn't settle any for anything less than we got for Chandler Jones, and he's not going to. Period."

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

OK, I'm not an NFL GM, but these are the options:

A- pay a 1st round pick for a chance to audition a 25 year old who has successfully started in the NFL and is locked in on a $820,077 salary for 2017. If he doesn't work out, don't re-sign him and go back to square 1 in 2018. Doesn't work out, you've wasted a pick; so what?. If it works out well, you have a franchise tag option for leverage in further contract negotiations.

B- The alternative is paying some guy out of college something like a four-year deal worth $24-28 million over four years (plus a signing bonus) and you hope to God he can learn how to play in the NFL. Doesn't work out, you've wasted a not only pick but also millions of dollars and cap space.

Option "A" seems more attractive to me and it's not even close. Am I crazy? If so, what am I missing?