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  1. Ice_Ice_Brady

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    Marino - .601 winning pct
    Brees - .586 winning pct

    Incorrect.

    Yes, Brees won a Super Bowl and has had more postseason success than Marino, but my point is that Brees leads his team to more points in a game just 58% of the time, which is an extremely low mark compared to actual all-time great QBs, many of whom also didn’t field good defenses. It suggests (as does empirical common sense) that a lot of his numbers are inflated by empty yardage and soft zone coverages trading clock time for gimme touchdowns.

    I get that Brees has not had a good defense a lot of seasons, but those numbers tend to smooth out, or at least stop becoming massive outliers, over a very long career. In addition, playing a lot of dome and warm weather games should make your defenses look worse just as it boosts your offense. So, taking into account that Quarterback X is Brees’s opponent, and Brees has faced Quarterback X 278 times, with each of them playing in the same conditions, shouldn’t an all-time great QB win a lot more often?
     
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    Great stuff here fellas. I don't care who knocks Manning down the list for any of his accomplishments" as long as he fades more and more into the background. The talking heads love these lists and if Manning isn't on them its a good thing for this world we live in.
     
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    JarOfMayo51 In the Starting Line-Up

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    This warms my heart
     
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    Saban claims that he wanted Brees but the Miami doctors insisted that Brees shoulder was too messed up and that he might never be effective. Of course, Culpepper had a messed-up knee and was never effective.

    It might be Saban's ego talking, but I think that other teams also shied away from Brees based upon poor physicals at that time.
     
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    I was disappointed because I wanted the Pats to face the Saints in the Super Bowl.....

    Why?

    1.) Obviously I thought they would still win!

    2.) A Brady-Brees Super Bowl, are you kidding me? Two living legends facing each other on the games greatest stage, I mean, c'mon. How could you not want that?!?

    3.) Ok, then the trivial aspect.....I'll take any championship, but I would prefer they come against different teams. We already beat the Rams. Of course, I can tell myself that at least we beat a different 'city' with the LA Rams (vs STL Rams).
     
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    He's already got him 3x over in the stat that really matters

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    I think they may have gotten lucky because whatever Gurley’s deal was, it clearly impacted the offense in a big way, and Goff whiffed on multiple game changing plays. I was afraid of the Saints due to Kamara and Thomas. Those two guys are absolute monsters, maybe the best RB and best WR in the league. I think if Michael Thomas stays healthy, he’ll be a top-10 all-time receiver. What a beast.
     
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    This is true. Saints would have been a handful. We would have scored more points though
     
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    Saints lost to that SAME GIMPY RB who had 4 carries for 10 yards. Were out gained in yards, 378 to 290, their leading rusher was Ingram who had 31 yards. The qb they faced was green as could be and they couldn’t stop him to the tune of 26 points. Oh, Brees threw the game sealing pick as well which made the winning FG possible.

    Bottom line. Saints couldn’t get it done at (home.) Patriots beat the Rams at a neutral stadium and made their qb look the way the Saints couldn’t. Quarters strategy was brilliant and was a smashing success with the added bonus of Pats front 7 running wild.

    Patriots defense was just crazy good. Stomped out San Diego, held KC to 0 points at half and beat up on the NFC conference champs.

    Again, I’m sure they had one more gem for Kamara and Thomas as well. As great as they are.
     
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    At the end of the day, Brady is about wins more than stats. Because wins is the most important stat in football hands down.
     
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    Brady will never, and I repeat NEVER overcome the edge Spitoon Manling holds over him in the aggravated sexual assault category,blame shifting to HIS wife the ILLEGAL steroids HE used to recover from neck bolt surgery and the overall smug "it's always everybody else's fault!" after every INT and game he lost. In other words, Brady will never approach the "SCUMBAG AZZOLE" level achieved by the Fivehead.
     
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    The all-time record that matters most this year is Belichick tying Paul Brown with 7 NFL championships.
     
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    Actually, Brees will be saying, "Enjoy it while it lasts Sonny boy. Effin' Tom Brady's coming for my ass...and yours too!"
     
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    This pic is not realistic......

    Brady will look much younger at 50 after he wins all those rings......
     
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    There are no records that REALLY matter for Brady's legacy anymore. They'll just make the rubble bounce, so to speak. Hell, everything after 28-3 turning into 34-28 has been gravy honestly. "Gilding the lily" doesn't even describe it. It's like talking about how rich Bill Gates is, at some point the numbers going up is almost arbitrary.

    Peyton Manning losing his regular season records so quickly WILL diminish HIS legacy, though, because they form such a big part of it. He was basically defined by eye-popping regular season numbers. The further he slides down the list the less he seems to matter in retrospect, basically.
     
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    Brees is stat wh0r3
     
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    Thanks ~ I going to look this up. Brees is a great QB however he has participated in multiple losing seasons.
     
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    You see variants of this shirt around New Orleans but you expect their own fans to consider him better than Brady given his stats and well, they’re Saints fans.

    That said no one outside of New Orleans thinks this that I’ve encountered. I actually agree that he doesn’t get enough respect outside of New Orleans. I would take Brees in a big spot over Manning. In most of Manning’s losses his offense crapped the bed but with Brees it was almost always the defense, aside from the god awful pick he threw this year in a game they should have won in regulation.
     

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    I would prefer for Brady to have the all time lead in yards and TD's when he hangs it up but that is mainly because it likely means he played for several more years.

    With passing rules so much easier these days it is only a matter of time before the majority of the counting numbers are passed by such luminaries such as Matt Stafford and Kirk Cousins who already average more passing yards per game. Passing for 4,000 yards a season is now expected so surpassing 50,000 or so career yards just means that you were good enough to play 12+ years.

    Same will happen with passer rating and interception rate. 100 ratings are now common and most top QB's throw single digit picks per year, Unless something dramatically changes, Brett Favres all time int record will never be challenged.

    Am curious how stat accumulators like Brees will be thought of 20 years from now when his stats look more pedestrian and his W/L record and limited post season success come under more scrutiny.
     

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