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  1. PatriotsReign

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    I hear too many ignorant analysts try to say Brady is great because of the Patriots system

    Colin Cowherd debunks this myth totally in the best way I’ve heard.

     
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    People who say this usually point to the Patriots going 14-6 with Cassel, JG and Brissett as “evidence”. Problem with that logic is they missed the playoffs in 08 because they couldn’t beat good teams anymore and despite a 3-1 record they clearly were not a Super Bowl contender if Brady had missed all of 2016- quite a bit short of where they actually ended up. It’s clear as day what the difference is between a great team with Brady and just another team without him.

    To be fair - I disagree with Cowherd criticizing Belichick’s record without Brady. He turned the Browns to a very good team before Modell pulled the plug on the franchise. And the Browns didn’t fire him... the Ravens didn’t hire him. There’s a difference. Belichick does have a lot to do with our success. Put Belichick on the 2011 Colts and they are a lot better than 1-15 when they lost Manning. Put a bad coach on the Patriots and we end up close to where the Colts did without Manning.

    We have no idea how Brady would do without Belichick and it really doesn’t matter imo.
     
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    If this was a system, you would think, like the West Coast offense and others over time, that some team, any team would have copied it by now :cool:
     
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    I agree with your sentiment, but I think the Colts tanked that year.

    They actually went 2-14.

    Curtis Painter, who never played in the NFL again, went 0-14 for them. He wasn't as good as Nathan Peterman, and when they put in career backup Dan Orlovsky that season? They went 2-0.

    They deliberately went 2-14. You never know but Orlovsky could have brought that very talented team to 8-8.

    Does anyone talk about the total lack of offense when Brisset was in there?
     
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    While you are correct about Belichick turning the Browns around, you are incorrect about them not firing him. Belichick was hired in 1991 on a 4 year deal. In 1993, he received a 2 year extension that would have taken him through 1997. Belichick and the team were told after a 4-5 start in 1995 that the team was moving to Baltimore. Belichick was informed that he wasn't going with them. The Browns proceeded to lose 6 of the next 7 games because the players essentially gave up. That's how he ended up as the Asst. Head Coach of the Patriots in 1996.
     
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    Could be mistaken but I was sure Belichick was not informed by Modell he wasn't coming to Baltimore until after the 95 season when the team had officially relocated.
     
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    Yea, if it were just a system that could take any QB, and then matched with the sentiment that the Pats rarely have top flight WRs, then it would be seemingly easy to reproduce.

    I don't think anybody calls Brady a system QB anymore. I think that went out the window for most people a decade ago.
     
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    The "system" is that Belichick and his coaches, the Pats' personnel guys, and the Pats' players outwork everybody else in the league and aren't morons. And Kraft is smart enough to stay out of their way.

    The "system" is that the Pats' top to bottom, act like grown-ups while pretty much everyone else is still stuck in their sophomore year in the frat house.
     
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    Ahhhh, no! I’ve heard it the past 2 days on ESPN and the NFL Network.

    Whenever we hear people say “yeah, but Brady has Bill Belichick”, they’re saying it’s the (BB) system.

    But it’s not
     
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    I agree 100%!

    But without Brady, few would buy in. It still all comes back to #12. And I’m a huge BB guy.

    Tom Brady is the closest I’ll ever come to having a man crush! Sometimes he even gets me more excited than a beautiful naked 20-something goddess standing right in front of me. Prolly cuz I forget what that’s like!:p
     
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    Brady is the role model for everyone else on the team, a prime example of BB's approach, which makes it easier for BB to get that buy-in.
     
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    Brady would be a great coach
     
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    ESPN just wrote its article about how awesome Rodgers would have been in Brady's position on the Patriots under BB. Apparently would have crushed the career passing mark in 10 years. Yeah, the system crap is still there.
     
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    The "system" is Belichick builds the offense every year around Brady's strengths - they've almost always had one (sometimes two) tight ends who can block AND positively affect the passing game - Fauria, Graham, Watson, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Bennett...they've always had a top 3 slot guy - Brown, Welker, Edelman...and they've always had backs who can catch the ball and make people miss - Faulk, Vereen, White, Woodhead. They've focused on these type of passing game weapons and not the "take the top off" guys with the exception of Moss. Brady is deadly accurate and incredible from the LOS to about 20 yards downfield between the #s. His accuracy wanes on other throws, so Belichick focuses on his strengths....
     
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    Not in the sense Brady is some fiction of a king-making system (he is not), but he is a product of a system that identifies and rewards excellence outside game day. He has benefited from that system in regard to some of the players around him who have played roles in its success. It is a team sport, an no player himself can win titles (if that were true, then Brady would have 18 rings, not 5).

    The genius of BB was not drafting Brady (that was pure luck akin to spending $1 on a winning lottery ticket) but demonstrating a willingness to reward that player's practice play with a starting role and displace a high profile starter in Bledsoe. That is the type of risk that gets you fired if it fails, and few head coaches have the balls to do that. Without that leap of faith, we may have never known Brady.

    I don't believe there would be a Brady without BB. I am not convinced there would be a BB without Brady (2001 likely would have gone much differently without Brady, as a lesser QB may have tanked the season leaving BB with two consecutive losing seasons).

    It is true Brady is less physically gifted than QBs like Rodgers, Newton, Luck, etc., but they are midgets next to him in field IQ, work ethic, leadership, durability, and personal drive. The regular season is not the combine, which is why all of these immeasurable qualities create the success Brady has enjoyed, and why he is unquestionably the GOAT.
     
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    ^ This x100000000. Thank you sir. I've been saying this for years. I live in the Dallas area and people are envious of the Patriots and don't understand why the Cowboys can't do this as well. Then some get nasty and say the Pats "cheat" because they can't grasp this concept.
     
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    It's all Brady. Look at Bill's coaching tree. They have all failed, why? No Tom Brady.
     
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    Or, the coaching tree is not BB.
     
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    Thinking of what would happen if Brady and Rodgers had switched teams really is a useless exercise as that scenario never happened and it never will.

    The Patriots were not dumping Brady and moving up the draft board in 2005 to get Aaron Rodgers, and the Packers were never drafting Brady ahead of where the Patriots picked him in 2000. Neither team is constructed today for the benefit of the other QB. Even in the far fetched scenario of a trade today between the two QBs, it wouldn't prove squat one way or the other.
     

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