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Brady, Brissett, Garoppolo 2019: 17--2

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by PatsFanSince74, Oct 24, 2019.

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What are we to make of this?

  1. Pats management thought that Brady was coming to the end and were trying to line up his successor?

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  2. The Pats were grooming Brissett and Garoppolo as trade bait and knew neither would replace TB12.

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  3. I'm not impressed. Neither has proven anything yet.

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  4. Dumb luck (not Andrew)

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  1. PatsFanSince74

    PatsFanSince74 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    If Bill Parcells is right and "You are what your record says you are," then what are we to make of the fact that Tom Brady, Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo, with a combined record of 17--2 as starters in 2019, were on the same Patriots Roster in 2016?
     
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    That the Patriots are really good at drafting quarterbacks?
     
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    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

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    Bill's a good coach.
     
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    Vatahala Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Plus add Matt Cavanaugh, Kevin O'Connell and Kliff Kingsbury all coaching in the NFL.
     
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    Judging them solely on their play this year, Brissett is a better qb than Jimmy G.
     
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    I believe when the Pats drafted JE in 2014 they believed Brady's window was about 2-3 more years. When they drafted Jacobi in 2o16 they were doubling down. That strategy changed between 2014 and 16 when it became clear that Brady was NOT slowing down and he was going to be the best QB they had for the next few years. After that it was just a matter of getting the most assets for the 2 guys.

    There IS a possibility that they didn't realize just how good Jacobi was going to be, but given what he was when they made the trade, they got very good value for him.....at the time.

    In the end, the key factors in a good NFL QB is as follows in order of importance. 1. the ability to process the game. 2, Intelligence 3. Leadership 4. Arm strength 5. Quick release, 6. Mobility.

    People take for granted how important #1 is. A QB usually has less than 3 seconds to read the field, determine the defense, assess the separation of his receivers, and then release an accurate throw, all the while the best athletes in the world are looking to tear his head off. We have been watching the GOAT at this particular skill for 20 years. Monday night was a good example of what it looks like when your QB doesn't have it...yet

    Leadership and intelligence go without saying, then arm strength. It has its place because you have to have enough to make the throws outside the numbers. That doesn't mean you have need the STRONGEST arm, just one good enough. A quick release always helps, and was one of the first things I noticed about JG, and finally mobility. It clearly helps, but not above any of the rest. And mobility doesn't mean running around like a chicken with your head cut off. Brady and Marino were magicians moving within the pocket. Its the so called "mobility" guys like Watson and Mayfield who lead the league in sacks. Just sayin'

    At any rate. BB stayed with Brady because he was still better than JG and JB, and he still is to this day. No Pats fan should have ANY regrets on that.
     
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    Just for fun...here are all the quarterbacks the Jets and the Patriots have drafted during the Brady era, with the draft value spent. Players with at least a season of NFL starts are in bold. Which lineup of talent would you rather have?

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    Whoa! That's amazing. Thanks.
     
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    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I think the most amazing part is that the Patriots are the major outlier, not the Jets. Consider the three 1st-round QBs the Bills have drafted during that period: Josh Allen (TBD), E.J. Manuel and J.P. Losman.
     
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    System* QBs.

    sis-tuhm, sis-them (adj) really just a synonym for winning at this point
     
  12. PatsFanSince74

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    Yep. And using your metrics from above,

    Manuel was drafted #16, or 1,000 draft value points expended for a career QBR of 77.1 and record as a starter of 6--12--0.

    Losman was drafted #22, or 700 draft value points expended for a career QBR of 75.6 and record as a starter of 10--23--0.

    Allen. 1,500 points and looking better at this point, but, as you say, "TBD."
     
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    but but but but...Belichick can't draft!!!!
     
  14. oldrover

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    Easy... Belichick...

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    is the real quarterback whisperer. :)
     
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    For a long time I've thought it was more about the development process than skill at drafting that determined the success of QBs. I think this chart supports that idea.
     
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    I disagree with the Mark Sanchez value. He who gave us the butt fumble, is PRICELESS.
     
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    Yep, there's no way to know. They could be weighing factors differently in their drafting than most teams--for instance, the coaching success of some of the failed QB prospects could point to an emphasis on leadership and football smarts. Or they could be better at teaching and developing young QBs, with Brady as a heck of a role model on how to approach the job. Probably a combination of the two.
     
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