Boutte available for trade?

[Rob0729]

Bill Belichick had total control before.

If it didn’t change why would Bob announce it changed very publicly?

He never announced the change in Belichick's total control because it never changed. Let me post the exerpt from the article you posted.

“Belichick liked Jones, but he also liked quarterback Davis Mills,” Howe wrote. “Belichick also was dead set on taking a quarterback at that spot. But Jones was the Patriots’ highest-rated player, and they desperately needed a quarterback after going 7-9 with Cam Newton in their first season without Tom Brady. Belichick appeared content to wait for Mills … but relinquished to the staff’s strong push for Jones, according to league sources.”

So basically the article says Belichick could have overruled his staff and waited for Mills. He chose not to. He wasn't overruled. It was his decision to defer to his staff. That is no different than him making the choice himself in terms of responsibility for the pick. Jones was as much on him as it was his staff.

And even Howe says that Belichick like Mac Jones. He just didn't want to take a QB that high.

 

[sb1]

If Maye and the Patriots offense have the rep of being products of a weak schedule then Boutte also has that rep. Makes me wonder how much they really could get for him

 

[Wozzy]

He never announced the change in Belichick's total control

If Bill had total control prior to 2021, he did, then why did Bob very publicly announce that the dynamic was changing?

Belichick said a year after he left that personnel had changed his last few years there.

You’re suggesting both Bob and Bill lied because (checks notes) Bill was a meanie who hurt Tom’s feelings.

 

[Rob0729]

If Maye and the Patriots offense have the rep of being products of a weak schedule then Boutte also has that rep. Makes me wonder how much they really could get for him

I saw a report that most teams see Boutte as a WR #4 on most teams. That means most teams don't really see the value for trading for him more than a late third day pick (maybe conditional that could be more if he produces).

 

[Wozzy]

If Maye and the Patriots offense have the rep of being products of a weak schedule then Boutte also has that rep. Makes me wonder how much they really could get for him

Most teams have 90 man rosters now and young guys they want to see practice. If a trade is going to happen we probably have to wait for camp to start.

 

[Wozzy]

I saw a report that most teams see Boutte as a WR #4 on most teams.

He is… even if many fans here overrate him.

 

[Rob0729]

If Bill had total control prior to 2021, he did, then why did Bob very publicly announce that the dynamic was changing?

Belichick said a year after he left that personnel had changed his last few years there.

You’re suggesting both Bob and Bill lied because (checks notes) Bill was a meanie who hurt Tom’s feelings.

The only time Kraft ever got involved in personnel decisions prior to 2021 was Brady related. He negotiated Brady's contract. And in 2019, he sided with Belichick over Brady.

Other than what the budget was, Kraft let Belichick do whatever he wanted. Even after 2021, there is no proof that Kraft was involved

And no one lied. Belichick maintained final say on personnel decisions. Didn't change. He just allowed other people to have more input in those decisions. From the same article you posted:

“After previously vowing to be more collaborative, Belichick recognized he couldn’t go back on his word with his first selection under the new approach,” Howe said. “Before calling Jones, Belichick repeatedly asked his staff members if they were fully on board with the selection. He received no pushback.”

So there was no real change how personnel was chosen. Belichick just agreed to be more collaborative with the decisions on personnel. He didn't loose control. He CHOSE to give others more input.

And if he thought Jones was going to be a bust and he didn't use his final say power to overrule the pick just because he wanted to be a team player, that is worse than him thinking Jones was going to be a star and drafting him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mac was mentally weak and of low character… there’s no coaching that away.

But he saved the 49ers season going 5-3 putting them in position for the #1 seed when Purdy returned. He took big hits and made some tough throws to help them win games. He could've easily folded like a lawn chair in big moments, but he didn't. Having a competent offensive play caller guiding you certainly helps.

Bill keeping Mac in games as he crashed and burned with a smirk on his face was a clear indicator what he thought of the pick.

And he lost his job over that. It was obvious Jones was a limited passer, but Bill proceeded to nerf him further by hiring Patricia to run Shanahan's offense only to get called out by Bourne. That was scraped after a year and Bill was forced to bring back O'Brien in which the offense ended up being worse than the year prior.

The O-line was deteriorating and none of the skill players on offense were going to scare any defense. BB chose to mimic the early 2000's way of building his team through defense, but they constantly got pushed around by any competent offense. Jones was set up to fail.

Bill has nobody to blame but himself for the way he coached and built the team post Brady.

 

[sb1]

Robert Kraft explains decision to part ways with HC Bill Belichick after 24 seasons

Patriots owner Robert Kraft met with the New England media on Thursday to explain the decision to part ways with head coach Bill Belichick after 24 seasons and six Super Bowl titles.

www.nfl.com

Kraft on the possibility of taking control away from Bill instead of letting him go:



"Every decision has been his".

Pretty clear cut to me that even Kraft believes Bill always had final say from start to finish in his time here. Kraft wouldn't be mulling over taking some of this power away from Bill if it was already taken away...

 

[mgteich]

Boutte available for trade?

I ask the mods to change the name of this thread to reflect what folks are discussing.

When someone wants again to discuss Boutte or WR's, there can be another thread.

 

[Brady85-23]

If the Pats trade boutte i hope they get a player. At edge or LB. Even if they throw in a pick to sweeten the deal

 

[Wozzy]

The only time Kraft ever got involved in personnel decisions prior to 2021 was Brady related. He negotiated Brady's contract. And in 2019, he sided with Belichick over Brady.

Other than what the budget was, Kraft let Belichick do whatever he wanted. Even after 2021, there is no proof that Kraft was involved

And no one lied. Belichick maintained final say on personnel decisions. Didn't change. He just allowed other people to have more input in those decisions. From the same article you posted:

“After previously vowing to be more collaborative, Belichick recognized he couldn’t go back on his word with his first selection under the new approach,” Howe said. “Before calling Jones, Belichick repeatedly asked his staff members if they were fully on board with the selection. He received no pushback.”

So there was no real change how personnel was chosen. Belichick just agreed to be more collaborative with the decisions on personnel. He didn't loose control. He CHOSE to give others more input.

And if he thought Jones was going to be a bust and he didn't use his final say power to overrule the pick just because he wanted to be a team player, that is worse than him thinking Jones was going to be a star and drafting him.

This is an awful lot of words to not answer the question asked.

 

[Wozzy]

But he saved the 49ers season going 5-3 putting them in position for the #1 seed when Purdy returned. He took big hits and made some tough throws to help them win games. He could've easily folded like a lawn chair in big moments, but he didn't. Having a competent offensive play caller guiding you certainly helps.

And he lost his job over that. It was obvious Jones was a limited passer, but Bill proceeded to nerf him further by hiring Patricia to run Shanahan's offense only to get called out by Bourne. That was scraped after a year and Bill was forced to bring back O'Brien in which the offense ended up being worse than the year prior.

The O-line was deteriorating and none of the skill players on offense were going to scare any defense. BB chose to mimic the early 2000's way of building his team through defense, but they constantly got pushed around by any competent offense. Jones was set up to fail.

Bill has nobody to blame but himself for the way he coached and built the team post Brady.

Mac sucks, he’s a backup…. as far as first round picks go that’s a bust.

Drake Maye didn’t use Mayo as an excuse… get real.

 

[Rob0729]

This is an awful lot of words to not answer the question asked.

Why did Kraft announce the change? Because the drafting had sucked for years. Brady was publicly dissatisfied with the talent around him his last year with the Patriots. Something had to change.

That said, nothing really changed other than Belichick agreed to be more collaborative. He retained control over personnel and final say. He just agreed to Kraft to listen more to others and not just make decisions on his own.

Now tell me why Kraft said that Belichick retained complete control in personnel decision his entire tenure as a Patriot in this clip: