Boutte available for trade?

[mgteich]

We just signed Brown and Doubs and you want to make the playbook harder to grasp for new players ? Yeah.....no.

The Offense will NOT be slowed down more every year. Josh and Maye are working to have MORE and MORE of the Offense implemented.

 

[Zuma]

The Offense will NOT be slowed down more every year.

If you say so Josh

 

[BTTA]

Shows you what these chatbots are worth.

It shows you more about the quality of the question asked.

 

[captain stone]

I would expect this year's Offense to be less dumbed down than that of 2025.

By the end of the season, let's hope... At the beginning of the season, especially during the first four games, it might be even more dumbed-down than last year...

This is another reason to keep Boutte at least until Josh thinks that he has 4 wide receivers who know the system well enough to contribute this year.

Agreed.

I would think that several will be ready to take the next step with the passing Offense: Maye, Henry, Hollins, and Williams.

I think Double-H & Hollins might be maxed-out already...

 

[mgteich]

By the end of the season, let's hope... At the beginning of the season, especially during the first four games, it might be even more dumbed-down than last year...




Agreed.




I think Double-H & Hollins might be maxed-out already...

maxed out? I agree that they may not be as good as in 2025. They still have great value to the Offense.

 

[rochrist]

maxed out? I agree that they may not be as good as in 2025. They still have great value to the Offense.

Plenty of posters here have been saying that about Henry for at least the two pervious seasons.

 

[captain stone]

maxed out? I agree that they may not be as good as in 2025. They still have great value to the Offense.

Yes they do; they're just not going to take a "next step," that's all.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Kraft said it changed in 2021, what he said after it crashed and burned in 2024 doesn’t mean sht.

The guy produced a documentary trying to portray himself like George Halas, an owner/GM/coach who led the dynasty to greatness. Like we all hadn’t just witnessed the previous two decades.

I don’t begrudge him, he was lobbying to make the HOF… but give it a rest.

Bob said personnel changed entering 2021, Bill said it changed the last few years in an interview a year ago.

Your BB hate doesn’t erase our collective history or memories. Get a grip.

You're a liar. Kraft said he wanted to see more collaboration, problem there is that Bill is, was, and always will be a complete control freak. And your idiotic idea that Elliot Wolf was overruling him is borderline insane. And anyone not insane would immediately recognize that Eliot Wolf telling Belichick: "Listen up Bill, I'm in charge here, I'm taking Mac Jones. You just need to do your job." Is as ludicrous as it gets.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

You're a liar. Kraft said he wanted to see more collaboration, problem there is that Bill is, was, and always will be a complete control freak. And your idiotic idea that Elliot Wolf was overruling him is borderline insane. And anyone not insane would immediately recognize that Eliot Wolf telling Belichick: "Listen up Bill, I'm in charge here, I'm taking Mac Jones. You just need to do your job." Is as ludicrous as it gets.

okay, I don't want to wade into this stupid BB vs TFB ****. Don't want to. Don't want to. But...

We all watched that hostage video that BB had to record about their collaborative draft war room that collaboratively made the collaborative Mac Jones pick. I don't know who's making which point, but I'm taking it at face value.... BB did NOT have the only talking stick in that tribal council.

 

[Huckleberry1]

okay, I don't want to wade into this stupid BB vs TFB ****. Don't want to. Don't want to. But...

We all watched that hostage video that BB had to record about their collaborative draft war room that collaboratively made the collaborative Mac Jones pick. I don't know who's making which point, but I'm taking it at face value.... BB did NOT have the only talking stick in that tribal council.

He had final say, as he always had. If he didn't want the most important player on the team he wouldn't have taken him. Anyone who thinks Eliot Wolf overruled Belichick is mentally incompetent.

 

[Wozzy]

You're a liar. Kraft said he wanted to see more collaboration, problem there is that Bill is, was, and always will be a complete control freak. And your idiotic idea that Elliot Wolf was overruling him is borderline insane. And anyone not insane would immediately recognize that Eliot Wolf telling Belichick: "Listen up Bill, I'm in charge here, I'm taking Mac Jones. You just need to do your job." Is as ludicrous as it gets.

I’m lying… sure, which is why it took you almost a month to reply. So people following this thread can forget how you actually lied a pages back.

Exactly what did I lie about, I provided actual quotes from Bob, Bill and cited beat reporter sources saying Bill was getting vetoed over decisions?

Just saying “you’re a liar” is proof of nothing. Don’t wait a month to respond this time.

 

[Wozzy]

Bull ****ing ****. Kraft made one comment that he would like to see some collaboration and Belichick blew him off completely,

This was a lie, zero proof, no link… just a fictional scenario made up in your head.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I’m lying… sure, which is why it took you almost a month to reply. So people following this thread can forget how you actually lied a pages back.

Exactly what did I lie about, I provided actual quotes from Bob, Bill and cited beat reporter sources saying Bill was getting vetoed over decisions?

Just saying “you’re a liar” is proof of nothing. Don’t wait a month to respond this time.

I’m lying… sure, which is why it took you almost a month to reply. So people following this thread can forget how you actually lied a pages back.

Exactly what did I lie about, I provided actual quotes from Bob, Bill and cited beat reporter sources saying Bill was getting vetoed over decisions?

Just saying “you’re a liar” is proof of nothing. Don’t wait a month to respond this time.

Kraft never said " it changed," he said he wanted to see more collaboration, he never said it happened, in fact what he said was that Belichick always retained full control, which is the opposite of what you claimed. In other words, you're a liar.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Can we get back to whether Boutte could/should be traded?

I still say no. Pats should keep him. Injuries occur and can also keep Brown and Doubs fresh.

 

[mgteich]

Can we get back to whether Boutte could/should be traded?

I still say no. Pats should keep him. Injuries occur and can also keep Brown and Doubs fresh.

Most of us are fine with the 6 WR's and no compensation until at least mid-August.

The cost would be a bit pricey given how little the backups will get the ball. Brown and Doubs are WR. They don't play every down. They don't need to be rested.

 

[Wozzy]

Kraft never said " it changed," he said he wanted to see more collaboration, he never said it happened, in fact what he said was that Belichick always retained full control, which is the opposite of what you claimed. In other words, you're a liar.

Kraft announced personnel was "becoming a collaboration" entering 2021 at the owners meetings.

That was saying the status quo, which had existed for almost two decades was changing.

BB confirmed this years later, he said the last few years of his tenure personnel was "not on the same page."

Again, what Bob said after it blew up in his face after Bill was gone is irrelevant.

See the documentary Bob made, he also has a touch of dementia and not an objective source at that point.

This is all factual.

Unless of course you have an axe to grind on a fan forum.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

He had final say, as he always had. If he didn't want the most important player on the team he wouldn't have taken him. Anyone who thinks Eliot Wolf overruled Belichick is mentally incompetent.

I don't care about which personalities you believe had which point of view when. You've really wedded to a talking point about Wolf and Belichick. Knock yourself out, but by the way, the whale kills Ahab in the end, just saying.

Here is what we know:
- In prior years, BB traditionally had dictatorial power over drafting, which he'd delegate when/how he wanted
- Kraft made pre-draft comments about the Patriots' draft approach
- During that draft, BB memorably talked about the new collaborative approach and how the pick was a collaborative choice. I'm not sure whether he actually declared himself to be Locutius of Borg, but it was like that.
- Needless to say, BB was not in the habit of declaring a collaborative draft methodology. This was a departure. The departure was announced "ex cathedra." It was not mysterious.

So again, I don't care who overrode whom in a likely non-existent confrontation. I don't think it was the scene in "War Games" where the guy points his gun and says "turn your key, sir." It was those two and whoever else was in the room getting to the same place on the pick. I missed why it's important that A overrode B -- if that puts us on the same side, for God's sake give the drama a rest and just admit they all shuffled their cards or whatever they use in the computer age, floated names, and came to a conclusion. The idea that one overrode the other assumes facts not in evidence, 180 degrees from the emphasis in that draft, e.g., collaboration over hierarchy.

Kraft was firing rounds over BB's bow continually making sure that's the way it went down.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't care about which personalities you believe had which point of view when. You've really wedded to a talking point about Wolf and Belichick. Knock yourself out, but by the way, the whale kills Ahab in the end, just saying.

Here is what we know:
- In prior years, BB traditionally had dictatorial power over drafting, which he'd delegate when/how he wanted
- Kraft made pre-draft comments about the Patriots' draft approach
- During that draft, BB memorably talked about the new collaborative approach and how the pick was a collaborative choice. I'm not sure whether he actually declared himself to be Locutius of Borg, but it was like that.
- Needless to say, BB was not in the habit of declaring a collaborative draft methodology. This was a departure. The departure was announced "ex cathedra." It was not mysterious.

So again, I don't care who overrode whom in a likely non-existent confrontation. I don't think it was the scene in "War Games" where the guy points his gun and says "turn your key, sir." It was those two and whoever else was in the room getting to the same place on the pick. I missed why it's important that A overrode B -- if that puts us on the same side, for God's sake give the drama a rest and just admit they all shuffled their cards or whatever they use in the computer age, floated names, and came to a conclusion. The idea that one overrode the other assumes facts not in evidence, 180 degrees from the emphasis in that draft, e.g., collaboration over hierarchy.

Kraft was firing rounds over BB's bow continually making sure that's the way it went down.

The discussion is about who made the final decisions, if that doesn't interest you then don't weigh in on it. You said you don't care, so don't care. I know who was in control.

 

[Wozzy]

I know who was in control.

Facts be damned.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Facts be damned.

Fact is that Belichick always ran the show, you have ZERO evidence of Eliot Wolf ever overruling him, but you keep pretending you do, while never actually showing it. On one hand you cite Bob Kraft's statement of what he hoped would happen as " proof," while on the other calling him a liar. So which is it, is he a liar, or a reliable source of information?

"Uh uh uh uh he's both, he's a reliable witness and a liar." -Wozzy