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Actually, the first Int was described by Gruden as something the Patriots discovered on tape and were prepared for resulting in the Int.
5 for 50 is shutting down compared to 10-166
So your answer is that the Jets allowed over 300 yards to WRs, more than double what the Patriots did, because Henne just didnt play as well?
That is a bs argument.
I guess our D play better against the Blls than yours but their players just had a bad day against you.

Gruden can say whatever he wants to. Take a look at the first INT for yourself Henne INT #1. Look where Marshall's pattern is taking him, there's a hole that's been opened in the coverage. I think it was actually Jaws who called it a dig route. It wasn't...or, if it was, that's not the pattern that Marshall ran, and this would just be another miscommunication between QB and receiver. Marshall has made his cut and is behind the linebackers in coverage. 51 and 55 were held at the line by the playaction, 55 chases after the back in the flat and 51 has his back turned to the line as he tries to get back in coverage. Brian Hartline ran a seam route that cleared out the safety responsible for middle of the field and occupied the corner on that side of the field. All Henne had to do was get it over the linebackers. He could have put some touch on it and dropped it in, or fired one high and let Marshall go get it. But he threw it short and behind Marshall, right to 50.

Actually, watching this play for about the 20th time now: As soon as Henne turns around from his fake, Hartline is wide open for the first down, Henne misses him. Later when he throws to Marshall, Ricky Williams is also open out in the flat. This was just a terrible play by Henne, I don't care what Gruden or Jaws said (Jaws is much better after he does his weekly filmwork than he is during MNF. They put in a lot of prepwork for each game and look for opportunities to use their prepped material).

You've brought up the yardage that Miami receivers gained twice now. This is just the difference between how the Jets and Patriots play defense. You play soft coverage, so Henne was able to throw to his backs underneath against you. When the Dolphins played the Jets, the backs were kept in protection to counter the Jets blitzing scheme.

Yardage is yardage, no matter who it's thrown to. The bulk of the gap in Henne's passing yardage, 302 vs. 363, is the result of an additional 5 passing attempts against the Jets. Normalize the attempts and we're talking about a difference of 23 yards, a difference .7 YPA. When you're talking about a single game, that's a marginal difference.

The only significant difference in the performance of the Jets and Patriots defenses is found in the INT column. I've already explained why 2 of the INTs in the Patriots' game were the result of poor play by Henne, not playmaking ability on the part of the Patriots. This is the case for the overwhelming majority of INTs. It's why I said Cromartie was overrated during his rookie year, and it's why Jarrius Byrd has no picks so far this year after having 9 last year. Mark Sanchez didn't throw 20 INTs last year because the defenses he played were so good, it was because he was bad. It's why turnover numbers for defenses fluctuate so wildly from year to year.

Your pass defense was marginally better than the Jets' was last week. They were awful, you were bad. That's nothing to be proud of.

This was a great win for your team, but please give the credit to the appropriate unit, the Special Teams!

Yep our win is no where near as good as yours... but please continue to argue

Where did I say that? This was a great win for the Patriots. I'm simply responding to the people who think that the Patriots pass coverage was good in this game. Your Special Teams won the game and may win you a few more before the year is over. Your defense will probably continue to be a liability.

The defenses of yore weren't great because of a "bend but don't break" philosophy. They were great because they had great players, starting with a dominant front 7, and including an all-pro caliber corner and safety.

You're not that team anymore, but you're still very good. You have one of the greatest QBs of all time, 2 of the 15 best receivers in the league (including the 2nd best WR of all time), and a host of complimentary threats. I've already said you have the best offense in the league. Stop acting like I'm trying to disparage your team. I'm just trying to provide an objective assessment of your team.
 
Let me ask you this, what's more important - yards or points? Miami was held to 14 points. Who cares if Henne threw for 1,000 yards. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how many yards you gain. It's all about the points. A 99 yard drive is worthless if you turn it over on the one.

There's a correlation between yards and points. When there's a discrepancy, turnovers and special teams fill in the gap. The only world in which you surrender 1,000 yards and win (without producing 1,000 yards yourself) is a hypothetical one. As a defense, you can't rely on turnovers, because they're out of your control. You can't generate a turnover unless the offense gives you the opportunity to, if they don't, then you're **** out of luck. Great QBs aren't going to afford you enough of those opportunities to win games against them on a consistent basis, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Chad Henne will. If you win those games, it will be because Tom Brady is your QB.
 
There's a correlation between yards and points. When there's a discrepancy, turnovers and special teams fill in the gap. The only world in which you surrender 1,000 yards and win (without producing 1,000 yards yourself) is a hypothetical one. As a defense, you can't rely on turnovers, because they're out of your control. You can't generate a turnover unless the offense gives you the opportunity to, if they don't, then you're **** out of luck. Great QBs aren't going to afford you enough of those opportunities to win games against them on a consistent basis, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Chad Henne will. If you win those games, it will be because Tom Brady is your QB.

don't even try to lecture us. what the hell would an admitted jet fan know about winning consistently ? go back to your blowhard, gas bag, knick lovin', yankee buying free agent, ***********.
 
The stats before the horribly garbage time in the 4th quarter would be interesting. They went into major prevent mode, with almost all starters pulled.

Exactly!

And I'm glad they did. They kept all receivers in bounds, gave then 5-10 yard pickups and killed the clock. Game, set, match! Go D!
 
Actually, the second have will hopefully be istructive

3 and out before the blocked punt
Score
Stop on fouth down
pick 6

I would also point out that special special teams play distort stats. The Pats had only one drive in the second half. If you want to debate, does anyone think the Miami stats would have been different if we had several long drives?
 
Gruden can say whatever he wants to. Take a look at the first INT for yourself Henne INT #1. Look where Marshall's pattern is taking him, there's a hole that's been opened in the coverage. I think it was actually Jaws who called it a dig route. It wasn't...or, if it was, that's not the pattern that Marshall ran, and this would just be another miscommunication between QB and receiver. Marshall has made his cut and is behind the linebackers in coverage. 51 and 55 were held at the line by the playaction, 55 chases after the back in the flat and 51 has his back turned to the line as he tries to get back in coverage. Brian Hartline ran a seam route that cleared out the safety responsible for middle of the field and occupied the corner on that side of the field. All Henne had to do was get it over the linebackers. He could have put some touch on it and dropped it in, or fired one high and let Marshall go get it. But he threw it short and behind Marshall, right to 50.

Actually, watching this play for about the 20th time now: As soon as Henne turns around from his fake, Hartline is wide open for the first down, Henne misses him. Later when he throws to Marshall, Ricky Williams is also open out in the flat. This was just a terrible play by Henne, I don't care what Gruden or Jaws said (Jaws is much better after he does his weekly filmwork than he is during MNF. They put in a lot of prepwork for each game and look for opportunities to use their prepped material).

You've brought up the yardage that Miami receivers gained twice now. This is just the difference between how the Jets and Patriots play defense. You play soft coverage, so Henne was able to throw to his backs underneath against you. When the Dolphins played the Jets, the backs were kept in protection to counter the Jets blitzing scheme.

Yardage is yardage, no matter who it's thrown to. The bulk of the gap in Henne's passing yardage, 302 vs. 363, is the result of an additional 5 passing attempts against the Jets. Normalize the attempts and we're talking about a difference of 23 yards, a difference .7 YPA. When you're talking about a single game, that's a marginal difference.

The only significant difference in the performance of the Jets and Patriots defenses is found in the INT column. I've already explained why 2 of the INTs in the Patriots' game were the result of poor play by Henne, not playmaking ability on the part of the Patriots. This is the case for the overwhelming majority of INTs. It's why I said Cromartie was overrated during his rookie year, and it's why Jarrius Byrd has no picks so far this year after having 9 last year. Mark Sanchez didn't throw 20 INTs last year because the defenses he played were so good, it was because he was bad. It's why turnover numbers for defenses fluctuate so wildly from year to year.

Your pass defense was marginally better than the Jets' was last week. They were awful, you were bad. That's nothing to be proud of.

This was a great win for your team, but please give the credit to the appropriate unit, the Special Teams!



Where did I say that? This was a great win for the Patriots. I'm simply responding to the people who think that the Patriots pass coverage was good in this game. Your Special Teams won the game and may win you a few more before the year is over. Your defense will probably continue to be a liability.

The defenses of yore weren't great because of a "bend but don't break" philosophy. They were great because they had great players, starting with a dominant front 7, and including an all-pro caliber corner and safety.

You're not that team anymore, but you're still very good. You have one of the greatest QBs of all time, 2 of the 15 best receivers in the league (including the 2nd best WR of all time), and a host of complimentary threats. I've already said you have the best offense in the league. Stop acting like I'm trying to disparage your team. I'm just trying to provide an objective assessment of your team.


Pretty good analysis, however, it has a hole a mile wide in it.

You completely miss the fact that it is a very young and inexperienced defense that will only improve with time (plus 3 of the first 34 draft picks next spring).

That doesn't bode well for you guys.
 
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