PATRIOTS NEWS BoB officially back

[venecol]

Maybe it does...if they can compete when they can win. I don't know why you think that Jan 8th game wasn't winnable.

Any given Sunday is a real thing.

Meh, haters are gonna hate

 

[upstater1]

But our stats came from beating bad Teams with terrible QB's.

The Patriots scored over their average against Aaron Rodgers, Kevin Cousins and Joe Burrow. They only played 4 non-scrub QBs all year. The only one they didn't beat their average against was Josh Allen. If you include Jared Goff, that's 4 out of 5 QBs they beat their 2nd half average against.

So, they scored MORE against top QBs in the second half (on average) than they did against scrubs.

 

[notex]

Most of these are stuff that happened when he was head coach/GM. Last time I checked, he's not the head coach in New England.

I agree the GM stuff wasn't great, but not really a worry here in NE as he doesn't have those responsibilities.

What I do worry about Is that his offenses haven't been great outside of the Brady years in NE. We all know how special Tom Brady was, and he had success regardless of who the OC was. Honestly, I think we would have been fine offensively with Matt Patricia if we still had Tom Brady... I know BoB was Head Coach in Houston, not OC, but he had some really special players there and they never seemed to be that dangerous offensively... which worries me a bit that BoBs success is really based on his years with Tom Brady, and his relationship with BB.

Now, what I am happy about is that BoB seems to be a great coach. People like him, listen to him, he knows how to reach the players. I am just not sure he brings anything new/different to the table in terms of X's and O's.

At the end of the day, he brings stability and has a familiarity with how BB runs the team ... I consider it a hire that brings low(er) reward but very little risk. I guess I was just hoping that BB would go for a "new way of thinking" and evolve the offense... but it makes sense to go with a trusted colleague since he likely only has a few years left anyways.

 

[crawhammer]

It's not a bad hire - the guy is a pretty solid offensive mind.

Agreed but my point is also true.

Neither do the majority of good coaches in the league.

My point was he (in some capacity) had 4 seasons with Brady. Then 4 with Watson.

But as a coordinator here in New England, he ranked in the top 6 each year he was here and in the top 5 in all but one, including the year Tom was sidelined, so he was still pretty good.

McDaniels was the OC in the season Brady was sidelined. Technically O'Brien was only the OC in 2011 but he was calling plays in 2009 and 2010 as well. Brady ranked top 6 in points from 2009 through 2018 (and 7th in 2019). So well, you know...

The rest is all GM related, which doesn't apply here.

I said the downside of O'Brien, which includes his time as a GM. I realize some of that doesn't necessarily apply to being hired as the OC but he's going to have input into personnel decisions. Or at least he should if he's truly running the offense.

 

[upstater1]

I love how everyone assumes the Pats would've scored. Even if Rham doesn't fumble, it would've been 2nd & goal from the 8. Given the Pats were dead LAST in RZ scoring & CIN was #5 in scoring allowed, it was more likely than not they don't score.

I mean, if Ravens don't fumble the ball at the GL for a returned TD against this same Bengals team in the WC, they win. Reality is a b*tch.

Would've been 2nd and goal from the 4 if they called forward progress.

 

[crawhammer]

Most of these are stuff that happened when he was head coach/GM. Last time I checked, he's not the head coach in New England.

So we're not taking all of his experiences into account? We're narrowing his career down to OC only... well then he's got 1 season in the NFL as an OC.

 

[crawhammer]

So he is 10x HC compared to Matt Patricia. And has actual offensive experience.

Massive upgrade!

Agreed. But I don't think the impact will be massive. And why is Patricia still employed with the Patriots?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady ranked top 6 in points from 2009 through 2018 (and 7th in 2019). So well, you know...

Since when is a QB ranked in terms of points?

 

[RobertWeathers]

With the expanded playoffs, it's not a bug. It's a feature.

...an unplanned feature.

 

[Steve102]

...an unplanned feature.

My biggest b!tch about how it works now is an 8-9 division winner hosting a 12-5 wildcard. If you can't get about .500, you shouldn't be hosting.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

My biggest b!tch about how it works now is an 8-9 division winner hosting a 12-5 wildcard. If you can't get about .500, you shouldn't be hosting.

How is this any different than it has been since there have been 4 divisions? The 8-9 (or previously 7-9) division winner is the host. Expanded playoffs don’t change that. It’s just, Win your division and you are in, and host the first round or get a bye.

In 2010, the 7-9 host Seahawks had the Marshawn Lynch beast mode run and beat the 11-5 Saints. In the strike shortened 82 season, two sub-500 teams made the playoffs.

 

[Steve102]

How is this any different than it has been since there have been 4 divisions? The 8-9 (or previously 7-9) division winner is the host. Expanded playoffs don’t change that. It’s just, Win your division and you are in, and host the first round or get a bye.

In 2010, the 7-9 host Seahawks had the Marshawn Lynch beast mode run and beat the 11-5 Saints. In the strike shortened 82 season, two sub-500 teams made the playoffs.

It's not. I didn't like it then, either.

 

[Sicilian]

My biggest b!tch about how it works now is an 8-9 division winner hosting a 12-5 wildcard. If you can't get about .500, you shouldn't be hosting.

I'd actually be fine with this as a compromise. I'd even go a step further: Division winners get a spot in the dance, but seeding is based purely on record. So yeah, an 8-9 division winner would get a spot over a 10-7 wildcard hopeful, but they're going on the road the whole playoffs.

 

[venecol]

Would've been 2nd and goal from the 4 if they called forward progress.

But they didn't. He lost 3 yards. You see, in the real world sh*t happens and the Pats score <43% inside the RZ. In fantasy land, the Pats score 100% of the time in the RZ.

 

[bresna]

8. He traded DeAndre Hopkins for a running back..

Hopkins has gone on record saying that he forced that trade. The rest of the NFL knew it, so the Texans got lowballed. On top of that, what has Hopkins done for the Cardinals since that trade? In 2020, he was still playing great but the Cardinals ended at 8-8 and out of the playoffs. BTW - that one season cost the Cardinals $29 Million. Since that first year, Hopkins has fallen off dramatically, both in games played and overall receiving stats. And these declining stats came at a cost of around $14 Million (ave) per year. That trade was a steal on paper but in reality, the Cardinals got a very expensive WR ($57 Million over 3 years) that didn't really elevate their team (8-8, 11-6 & 4-13).

9. He scratches Hopkins off the list of hopefuls for NE.

If you agree with what I wrote above, then maybe this is not a bad thing.

10. He traded Jadeveon Clowney, a former 1st overall pick and 3x pro bowler, for a 3rd round pick.

Like Hopkins, Clowney pretty much forced that trade. He refused to negotiate a new deal, forcing the Texans to apply the franchise tag. Then, when he got to Seattle on that tag, he still wouldn't negotiate a deal because he wanted to become a free agent. Considering the deals he's gotten since forcing his way out of Houston and then Seattle, I'd say he made a couple of pretty expensive mistakes there.

And like Hopkins, Clowney's performance has declined since he left Houston. He ended this season by getting benched by the Browns after complaining about how he was being used.

 

[venecol]

My biggest b!tch about how it works now is an 8-9 division winner hosting a 12-5 wildcard. If you can't get about .500, you shouldn't be hosting.

I disagree, winning the division is hard. If you want to host a WC game, win your division.

 

[Steve102]

I disagree, winning the division is hard. If you want to host a WC game, win your division.

 

[raduray]

This is a great first step. Bb got someone he knows and trusts. Next up is fixing the line and getting some speed at wr. I'd let Myers walk .. they need quick guys in the slot

How could you let your most productive (by far) receiver, someone with proven chemistry with Mac, walk. Keeping Meyers and getting a speedy receiver are not exclusive.

 

[1960Pats]

The mind is a powerful thing. It can convince itself of just about anything and can see what it wants it to see. Remember things the way it wants to remember things.

That happens to me in golf. Sometimes I think I see my ball stay in play when it didn't.

 

[raduray]

BoB has never been a huge favorite of mine…..His overall management and record in Houston was not great ….He was a decent OC here years ago but not earth shattering….I was initially NOT psyched at the thought of BoB returning…..BUT ……Mac got screwed this year with Fatt Matt and Judge handling OC duties….he did Well with McD AND he had BoB as his OC at Alabama…..and BoB understands that offensive scheme better and CAN CONNECT to Mac better than any of the other candidates……SO…..given that I doubt they are ready to give up on Mac….Hiring BoB is the MOST LOGICAL choice right now!

BOB was a decent HC in Houston, but sucked as a GM, a role he picked up later in his tenure.