Bob Kraft on Team Mac - no trade

[PatsFan2]

to be honest… if Wynn’s free agent market is really weak, I would be fine with bringing him back as a depth LT.

Is Yodny Cajuste a FA??

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah, I just think there’s a gulf between Kraft really liking Mac and Kraft saying “over my dead body” and blocking it if Bill was seeking to trade him. But obviously, who knows if Bill is even looking at that. I think it’s doubtful; the only scenario that makes sense to me is if Bill really wanted to bring Garoppolo back.

That's what I was hoping then get Hopkins and make a run.

 

[Sicilian]

to be honest… if Wynn’s free agent market is really weak, I would be fine with bringing him back as a depth LT.

If it's REAL weak, I'd consider it. But I imagine a former first round pick will get someone to give him a starting gig. It would also really depend on how much of his seemingly sour attitude last year was the result of inferior coaching (which would be understandable), and how much is just him being a bit lackadaisical.

 

[50-yard-line]

to be honest… if Wynn’s free agent market is really weak, I would be fine with bringing him back as a depth LT.

If they had left him at LT last year and left Brown at RT, they would have been a better offense. I think that move really pissed him off, as it likely cost him millions of $$$.

 

[50-yard-line]

A trade would be stupid. Why would they dump him at fire sale prices.

Should have traded Zappe last season though. His value was highest after the Browns game and it will never be that high again.

The only way it had a chance at happening was if Josh became desperate and REALLY believed in him. Even then, given the way Kraft is talking, it probably wouldn't have happened.
It's good that Kraft seems so definitive on this - Jones doesn't need that hanging over his head. Bad enough that he's coming up in the shadow of the GOAT, bad enough that his second year was under the tutelage of Moe, Larry, and Curly Joe, but to have rumors swirling that the Pats were shopping him is kind of disheartening.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

I dont understand why so many people are bashing mac. Last season was not his fault, he didnt have an OC or a QB coach. He wasnt allowed to change protections bc of how vanilla the offensive an audibles were. Mac will thrive with O'Brien.

 

[patfanken]

Kraft is taking more control over team operations.

Its clear from his comments.

this story is a travesty of media driven narratives.

1. HIS comments? No these are the comments of some unnamed "source" based on a narrative that the Pats MIGHT trade Mac Jones, even though the BASEST common sense would argue that "it makes no sense to trade Mac Jones at this point, ON ANY LEVEL.

It's like 2 guys at a bar look at eachother and one says, "Hey, if the Pats traded Mac, what do you think they could get for him?"

And from that chance remark we have a LEAST a weeks worth of content. First the question of is it a good idea? Then you have the "possible landing spots" Followed by the questions of who will replace him. Then when you are done with that come the denials (from unnamed sources" And finally comments from an unnamed source that is now being quoted as coming directly from Bob Kraft. Kind of like a media "nevermind" after you have gotten a couple of weeks worth of made up content.

The truth is that Mac was NEVER in danger of being traded....ever. But no mind, "we HAVE been entertained"

 

[captain stone]

Well if Mac plays as poorly next season as he did this season, then we might see both events happening...

 

[Brotherblues]

Maybe it's just me, but when talking about an octagenarian it feels in poor taste to use the phrase "over his dead body." I'd have avoided that if I were Curran.

 

[Real fan 02]

We are watching Kraft take more power away from BB.

It never ends well.

I mentioned that long ago.. BB only has his ego to blame.. as great as BB has been... 2022 was totally self inflicting.. that set back the franchise In a sense..

That move typically gets average GMs fired.. he sided with BB over Brady, watched Brady win another Lombardi immediately.. 2022 disaster happened... this is the fall out.. BB still refuses to take accountability for 2022 and refuses to say Mac is the qb like he did with cam..

Sounds like ownerships Making the final call on things to me..

 

[VJCPatriot]

Let's be real, what has Mac Jones actually accomplished with the Patriots? Not a hell of a lot. He barely squeaked us into the playoffs his first season but got spanked by Buffalo in the playoffs. Then in year 2 he painfully REGRESSED and threw obvious tantrums on the field, acting like a spoiled baby.

There's nothing about Mac Jones that screams 'I'm UNTOUCHABLE Franchise QB'.

So the truth likely lies somewhere in between. I very much DOUBT Kraft is taking position of 'trade Mac over my dead body'. It's yet another media exaggeration. But guys like Curran get PAID to stir up controversial headlines, just like Breer does on the opposite extreme of the keep or trade Mac spectrum.

The sad truth is Mac Jones is the most likely option simply because we don't have BETTER options on the roster.

Yes you could try to go into the draft and get a better option, and I'd argue there are at least 2-3 prospects in the 2023 NFL draft class that have better upside, athleticism, and potential than Mac Jones but the question is does one of them slide to 14 or do you have to make a steep draft capital investment to climb up high in the 1st round to take one of them?

So, although not ideal, from a realistic point of view, I see the Patriots staying the course. They hope that Mac Jones can return to his rookie form with a functional OC who has a brain and knows what he's doing. BOB alone will be a quantum leap forward from the stumbling bumblings of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.

If Mac Jones falls on his face in his third year, then we'll know that he's not the guy, and was never going to be the guy. My fear is that he's just bang average and does just enough to win and we stick with him anyways. And then we end up paying top 10 QB money to a guy who is more like the 15th-20th best QB in the league. Look at how Carson Wentz is robbing the Washington Generals - 33m AAV for 11 TDs and 9 interceptions last year? OOF. What? You're saying Mac isn't as bad? He threw only 14 TDs with 11 interceptions last season. I dunno, that's feeling very Carson Wentz comparable!

 

[Real fan 02]

Let's be real, what has Mac Jones actually accomplished with the Patriots? Not a hell of a lot. He barely squeaked us into the playoffs his first season but got spanked by Buffalo in the playoffs. Then in year 2 he painfully REGRESSED and threw obvious tantrums on the field, acting like a spoiled baby.

There's nothing about Mac Jones that screams 'I'm UNTOUCHABLE Franchise QB'.

So the truth likely lies somewhere in between. I very much DOUBT Kraft is taking position of 'trade Mac over my dead body'. It's yet another media exaggeration. But guys like Curran get PAID to stir up controversial headlines, just like Breer does on the opposite extreme of the keep or trade Mac spectrum.

The sad truth is Mac Jones is the most likely option simply because we don't have BETTER options on the roster.

Yes you could try to go into the draft and get a better option, and I'd argue there are at least 2-3 prospects in the 2023 NFL draft class that have better upside, athleticism, and potential than Mac Jones but the question is does one of them slide to 14 or do you have to make a steep draft capital investment to climb up high in the 1st round to take one of them?

So, although not ideal, from a realistic point of view, I see the Patriots staying the course. They hope that Mac Jones can return to his rookie form with a functional OC who has a brain and knows what he's doing. BOB alone will be a quantum leap forward from the stumbling bumblings of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.

If Mac Jones falls on his face in his third year, then we'll know that he's not the guy, and was never going to be the guy. My fear is that he's just bang average and does just enough to win and we stick with him anyways. And then we end up paying top 10 QB money to a guy who is more like the 15th-20th best QB in the league. Look at how Carson Wentz is robbing the Washington Generals - 33m AAV for 11 TDs and 9 interceptions last year? OOF. What? You're saying Mac isn't as bad? He threw only 14 TDs with 11 interceptions last season. I dunno, that's feeling very Carson Wentz comparable!

You make very valid points. However I'll just add a few points.

RK is committed to Mac for business sense reasons and he knows 2022 was a joke.

BB isn't committed on Mac as the QB. huge disconnect and or possible tension between RK/BB

Rk sided with BB on decision to not pay TB therefore resulting in watching him win another ring elsewhere.. from what RK has told those in his circle BB was on the hot seat then... that lead to the 2021FA spending.

March 2022 as we all know RK pretty much reluctantly allows BB to as he said earned the right to do things his way...

We know how that ended up...

To sum up things BB as great as he is, and he's still the GOAT HC no matter what.. however his decision led up to Mac having yelling matches and the like on the sideline..

None of us are part of the organization I would imagine, however we as fans knew it wasn't going to work..

He did it to get his buddies jobs at the expense setting back the rebuilding process, and regressing a promising young qb..

We need to hope Mac excels this season or else we are back in the draft like many other teams have done so often..

Just my thoughts...

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

As we all know it’s not always top 10 pick to be the QB1.
There are so many variables.
Do I think the Patriots draft a QB it’s anyone’s guess.

 

[maust]

Yeah, I just think there’s a gulf between Kraft really liking Mac and Kraft saying “over my dead body” and blocking it if Bill was seeking to trade him.

Of course there is but then you're not quite the **** stirrer the welsher... er... I mean the OP is

 

[Ross12]

Let's be real, what has Mac Jones actually accomplished with the Patriots? Not a hell of a lot. He barely squeaked us into the playoffs his first season but got spanked by Buffalo in the playoffs. Then in year 2 he painfully REGRESSED and threw obvious tantrums on the field, acting like a spoiled baby.

There's nothing about Mac Jones that screams 'I'm UNTOUCHABLE Franchise QB'.

So the truth likely lies somewhere in between. I very much DOUBT Kraft is taking position of 'trade Mac over my dead body'. It's yet another media exaggeration. But guys like Curran get PAID to stir up controversial headlines, just like Breer does on the opposite extreme of the keep or trade Mac spectrum.

The sad truth is Mac Jones is the most likely option simply because we don't have BETTER options on the roster.

Yes you could try to go into the draft and get a better option, and I'd argue there are at least 2-3 prospects in the 2023 NFL draft class that have better upside, athleticism, and potential than Mac Jones but the question is does one of them slide to 14 or do you have to make a steep draft capital investment to climb up high in the 1st round to take one of them?

So, although not ideal, from a realistic point of view, I see the Patriots staying the course. They hope that Mac Jones can return to his rookie form with a functional OC who has a brain and knows what he's doing. BOB alone will be a quantum leap forward from the stumbling bumblings of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.

If Mac Jones falls on his face in his third year, then we'll know that he's not the guy, and was never going to be the guy. My fear is that he's just bang average and does just enough to win and we stick with him anyways. And then we end up paying top 10 QB money to a guy who is more like the 15th-20th best QB in the league. Look at how Carson Wentz is robbing the Washington Generals - 33m AAV for 11 TDs and 9 interceptions last year? OOF. What? You're saying Mac isn't as bad? He threw only 14 TDs with 11 interceptions last season. I dunno, that's feeling very Carson Wentz comparable!

I wonder if they roll the dice with another QB who needs a little work. Hendon Hooker in the 3rd?

 

[Real fan 02]

I wonder if they roll the dice with another QB who needs a little work. Hendon Hooker in the 3rd?

Hmm I wonder why BB didn't try what he did with Mac to the GOAT... in yr 2... oh let me think he won him a superbowl and had alphas like crennel & wise to coordinate his units... not 2 ass kissers...

 

[Jlaff]

Every AFC team's best win/worst loss of the 2022 NFL season

New England Patriots
8-9 · 3rd in AFC East
Best win: 38-15 over Cleveland Browns (Week 6)

This was the one week when New England found the kind of consistent offensive success it enjoyed in 2021. The Patriots simply outcoached the Browns on both sides of the ball, taking a 24-6 lead in the third quarter and forcing Cleveland to rely heavily on Jacoby Brissett's arm. His second interception of the day led to the Patriots touchdown that pushed their lead to 18, and from there, all they had to do was coast to victory. Bailey Zappe's 309 passing yards and two touchdowns (in place of Mac Jones) and Rhamondre Stevenson's 19 rushes for 76 yards and two scores served as proof the unit could produce in the right situations, and with a proper offensive game plan.

 

[Rob0729]

Let's be real, what has Mac Jones actually accomplished with the Patriots? Not a hell of a lot. He barely squeaked us into the playoffs his first season but got spanked by Buffalo in the playoffs. Then in year 2 he painfully REGRESSED and threw obvious tantrums on the field, acting like a spoiled baby.

There's nothing about Mac Jones that screams 'I'm UNTOUCHABLE Franchise QB'.

So the truth likely lies somewhere in between. I very much DOUBT Kraft is taking position of 'trade Mac over my dead body'. It's yet another media exaggeration. But guys like Curran get PAID to stir up controversial headlines, just like Breer does on the opposite extreme of the keep or trade Mac spectrum.

The sad truth is Mac Jones is the most likely option simply because we don't have BETTER options on the roster.

Yes you could try to go into the draft and get a better option, and I'd argue there are at least 2-3 prospects in the 2023 NFL draft class that have better upside, athleticism, and potential than Mac Jones but the question is does one of them slide to 14 or do you have to make a steep draft capital investment to climb up high in the 1st round to take one of them?

So, although not ideal, from a realistic point of view, I see the Patriots staying the course. They hope that Mac Jones can return to his rookie form with a functional OC who has a brain and knows what he's doing. BOB alone will be a quantum leap forward from the stumbling bumblings of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.

If Mac Jones falls on his face in his third year, then we'll know that he's not the guy, and was never going to be the guy. My fear is that he's just bang average and does just enough to win and we stick with him anyways. And then we end up paying top 10 QB money to a guy who is more like the 15th-20th best QB in the league. Look at how Carson Wentz is robbing the Washington Generals - 33m AAV for 11 TDs and 9 interceptions last year? OOF. What? You're saying Mac isn't as bad? He threw only 14 TDs with 11 interceptions last season. I dunno, that's feeling very Carson Wentz comparable!

If the Raiders were to offer the #7 pick for Jones, I bet Kraft would at least consider it. The thing is the odds are no one is going to offer anything close to make it worth it for Kraft to want to trade Jones. I think there is no way in hell would Kraft approve a trade of Jones for a second round pick.

Imagine if the Patriots traded away Jones for a second and he turned into a franchise QB with another team. Kraft would have to fire Belichick for that. After the train wreck of last year and then trading Jones, who became a franchise QB elsewhere, for next to nothing because of it. I just don't know how Belichick could survive that.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

After last year, with BB and Matty P destroying any semblance of an Offense. I think BB knew he screwed up and does not want to look that bad again any time soon. He may be stubborn but I am sure he does not like to look dysfunctional.
I don’t think BOB would have committed here if he was not going to have control of the Offense and have some input in personal moves. He knew MAC was here and knows thats his guy to build an Offense around and probably feels good about working with him or else he would not have come here if he thought the QB position was in flux.
Just click bait. Kraft was probably asked is MAC is on the trading block and he replied “over my dead body”. Not
as a dig to BB but just his support of MAC.

 

[Real fan 02]

After last year, with BB and Matty P destroying any semblance of an Offense. I think BB knew he screwed up and does not want to look that bad again any time soon. He may be stubborn but I am sure he does not like to look dysfunctional.
I don’t think BOB would have committed here if he was not going to have control of the Offense and have some input in personal moves. He knew MAC was here and knows thats his guy to build an Offense around and probably feels good about working with him or else he would not have come here if he thought the QB position was in flux.
Just click bait. Kraft was probably asked is MAC is on the trading block and he replied “over my dead body”. Not
as a dig to BB but just his support of MAC.

It's still telling to me BB won't publicly state Mac is his QB, like he did for cam..

Again It's the little Suttle things that have big meaning sometimes.. everything you stated was 100% accurate!!!